Could the "sexual revolution" ever be un-done?

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08 Nov 2018, 9:19 am

Maybe "un-done" isn't the word per se, and I'm not saying whether the sexual revolution that started in the 60s and 70s for the West was all bad or all good. There has been some good and some bad consequences from it.

All this out of the way, do you think anything could ever happen that would turn the West around with before this "sexual revolution" happened?



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08 Nov 2018, 9:26 am

In a sense, this has already happened--when the fundamentalists started become more prominent in politics in the 1980s.



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08 Nov 2018, 2:55 pm

Just wait 'till SCOTUS vacates Roe (they now have the votes), and somebody like Kavanaugh (who considers birth control "abortifacients") writes the opinion that life begins at conception, outlawing almost all forms of birth control.

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08 Nov 2018, 3:11 pm

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Just wait 'till SCOTUS vacates Roe (they now have the votes, and there are test cases in the pipeline), and somebody like Kavanaugh (who considers birth control "abortifacients") writes the opinion that life begins at conception, outlawing almost all forms of birth control.

Ruth Bader Ginsburg, 85, hospitalized



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08 Nov 2018, 3:25 pm

Unlikely

it occurred because it was desirable. Legislature would only make it underground. Peole enjoy alcohol. The prohibition and war on drugs was a failure. There will always be access to black markets.



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08 Nov 2018, 3:27 pm

No, the sexual revolution has NOT been turned around, except perhaps within the more insular fundamentalist and other highly religious subcultures themselves.

In the more liberal parts of this country at least, LGBT people are more and more accepted with each passing decade.

Also, outside of fundamentalist and other highly religious enclaves, Western society has NOT reverted to the idea that the worst thing a woman could possibly be was an unmarried non-virgin.

Our society's understanding of sex crimes has NOT gone back to the bad old days. Rape is now understood to be a crime against the woman herself rather than against her "chastity." Child sex abuse is now taken seriously because of issues regarding the child's emotional well-being and the child's ability to consent, rather than as a crime against the child's "innocence."

Our society is still prone to periodic sex panics, but the framework of the panics is different in a way that matters. If we compare feminist-inspired sex panics to old-fashioned lynch mobs and honor killings, today's sex panics have the flavor of a revolutionary reign of terror (which hopefully our society will somehow manage to cool down for good) rather than the pre-revolutionary tyranny.

COULD the sexual revolution be undone? I don't know, but I sure hope not. The sexual revolution has had some unpleasant side-effects that do need to be dealt with, but hopefully NOT by undoing the sexual revolution itself.



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08 Nov 2018, 4:19 pm

Could the sexual revolution be undone?

[opinion=mine]

Maybe, but it would take a LOT of undoing...

... make soliciting and receiving an abortion a capital crime in every state.

... make possession and/or use of birth-control pills felony crimes in every state.

... restore "Adultery" and "Infidelity" (sex with anyone other than your spouse) to the divorce laws in every state.

... make prostitution a felony crime in every state.

... make same-sex marriages illegal in every state.

... make "Adultery" and "Infidelity" felony crimes in every state.

... raise the age of consent to 21 for both men and women in every state.

... beginning in kindergarten, teach every child that sex (including masturbation) is a filthy, shameful, dangerous sin.

... restore homosexuality (or any LGBTQIC activity) as a mental illness in the DSM.

... make homosexuality (or any LGBTQIC activity) a felony crime in every state.

... make the production, sale, and/or possession of pornography a felony crime in every state.

... make the bikini, the miniskirt, and yoga pants illegal in every state.

... strike down all Equal Opportunity and Affirmative Action laws in every state.

[/opinion]

All that I had to do to construct the above list was to remember how things were in the 1960s. I'd personally hate to see ANY of the above actions take place, and sexuality treated as some secret sin to be enjoyed only by men with their wives ("the wife's duty and the husband's pleasure") in the privacy of their bedrooms.



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08 Nov 2018, 4:32 pm

Mona Pereth wrote:
No, the sexual revolution has NOT been turned around, except perhaps within the more insular fundamentalist and other highly religious subcultures themselves.

In the more liberal parts of this country at least, LGBT people are more and more accepted with each passing decade.

Also, outside of fundamentalist and other highly religious enclaves, Western society has NOT reverted to the idea that the worst thing a woman could possibly be was an unmarried non-virgin.

Our society's understanding of sex crimes has NOT gone back to the bad old days. Rape is now understood to be a crime against the woman herself rather than against her "chastity." Child sex abuse is now taken seriously because of issues regarding the child's emotional well-being and the child's ability to consent, rather than as a crime against the child's "innocence."

Our society is still prone to periodic sex panics, but the framework of the panics is different in a way that matters. If we compare feminist-inspired sex panics to old-fashioned lynch mobs and honor killings, today's sex panics have the flavor of a revolutionary reign of terror (which hopefully our society will somehow manage to cool down for good) rather than the pre-revolutionary tyranny.

COULD the sexual revolution be undone? I don't know, but I sure hope not. The sexual revolution has had some unpleasant side-effects that do need to be dealt with, but hopefully NOT by undoing the sexual revolution itself.


This was closer to where I meant to go at with this thread instead. I do believe society needs to find a way to deal with the unpleasant side-effects, but growing up and realizing about history, I don't know if society isn't brave enough to balance and "moderate" itself. The pendulum might swing back to the "middle" but ultimately it goes to either one side or the other and comes back. I think this is generally accurate of issues in history.



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08 Nov 2018, 5:26 pm

I don't see it reverting back to a more puritanical time. Some new sexually transmitted deadly virus that would perhaps surpass HIV in its morbidity could change society's sexual behavior as a whole.

Otherwise, no. Think about societal norms two generations ago and further back. Women weren't even allowed to be shown as pregnant on TV 70 years ago if I recall correctly. Married characters on TV were shown in separate twin beds.

Flash forward to what is shown today on network TV in regard to sex and promiscuity. Impressionable and easily manipulated people actually form their ideologies and desires from what they watch on TV. They become a manifestation of what they watch. In impressionable person watching such things today and being formed by them will not arbitrarily become more sexually conservative.


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08 Nov 2018, 5:30 pm

Magna wrote:
... Impressionable and easily manipulated people actually form their ideologies and desires from what they watch on TV...
And in trying to emulate what they see, they become frustrated and depressed over the fact that nothing they try will attract a boyfriend or girlfriend. Thus, the Incels are born.



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08 Nov 2018, 5:38 pm

Hollywood_Guy wrote:
Mona Pereth wrote:

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The sexual revolution has had some unpleasant side-effects that do need to be dealt with, but hopefully NOT by undoing the sexual revolution itself.


This was closer to where I meant to go at with this thread instead. I do believe society needs to find a way to deal with the unpleasant side-effects, but growing up and realizing about history, I don't know if society isn't brave enough to balance and "moderate" itself. The pendulum might swing back to the "middle" but ultimately it goes to either one side or the other and comes back. I think this is generally accurate of issues in history.


In this case it's not really up to "society" as a whole. What's going on in today's world is a battle of competing subcultures.



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08 Nov 2018, 5:58 pm

Things tend to go in cycles. And public prudery (Or that lack thereof) is no exception.

We might cycle back to a more repressed future. And it may not be religion that drives it but secular politics like the Me too movement. Am not taking sides about the movement. Just saying things may go back to more structure. It may not be exactly the same way it was in the repressed fifties, or back in Victorian times. History may rhyme without actually repeating. Just speculating.



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08 Nov 2018, 6:33 pm

naturalplastic wrote:
Things tend to go in cycles. And public prudery (Or that lack thereof) is no exception.

We might cycle back to a more repressed future. And it may not be religion that drives it but secular politics like the Me too movement.

Not the Me Too movement. Any witchhunt arising from the Me Too movement will be, as I said earlier, a (hopefully brief) reign of terror derived from the sexual revolution itself (with its emphasis on consent), NOT a return to pre-revolutionary tyranny.

What DOES threaten to take us back to pre-revolutionary tyranny is the possibility of the Supreme Court outlawing abortion, or, even worse, approving restrictions on contraception.

naturalplastic wrote:
Am not taking sides about the movement. Just saying things may go back to more structure.

"More structure" is not necessarily incompatible with the sexual revolution. Depends on the kind of structure and its purpose.



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08 Nov 2018, 6:37 pm

I don't know whether it CAN be undone; all I know is that, if civilization is to survive, it will have to be undone. The West cannot take another generation of unlimited, narcissistic self indulgence and callous disregard for the welfare of the "other". The logical conclusion of the so-called sexual "revolution", and also its direct inspiration, through men like Michel Foucault, is Marquis de Sade. A society of Marquis de Sades cannot survive, and yet our Marxist conditioning has blinded us to this fact.


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