The "no contact" thing in today's American culture
My ex and i decided to remain friends after our break up. And i valued that greatly. Better than totally no contact.
We would see each other from time to time, and usually it felt nice and familiar.
That contact became less and less, sometimes a text or two. I suspected she had someone else and she did not want to share that with me. And i was right, looking back. She kept that hidden. To 'protect' me i think.
After some silence we decided to meet again last month. She did say there was someone else in her life, and i was like ok. Knew that. But it was not ok... i denied still having feelings for her. So i was sitting with her in the sun with a cup of coffee. And i felt good, not because of what she told me and her holiday with him, but i felt good just being around her...
Later on i sort of lost it. My mind was catching up to the reality of it all. And my mind can take it's time. Truth is i had never let her go. She was always my special someone. Calling her a friend did not make it any different.
She even sort of confessed loving me still. I became so angry, mostly at myself. For just not getting it.
I bombarded her with texts. Because i felt this was not right. But it was me who was still stuck in the same mode. I realised this, and said we should go no contact. I could not cope with it, and she wanted to move on. In a way i also did it out of love, to let her do what she wants.
This was the hardest thing i have had to do untill now. The ended relation is one thing. Losing that friend, not knowing if you will ever speak to them again, losing that bond, was horrible. As she was probably the only one that understands me.
I don't like being dependant, but when you bond with another so much it can get really hard to let go.
Small, relatively cohesive groups of autistic people do exist, such as ASAN plus various in-person support groups, at least in major cities such as NYC. As the number of such groups grows, and as they manage to network with each other, they -- together with forums like WP -- will begin to constitute a more cohesive subculture than we have now.
Until "We" become a cohesive whole with full agreement on common goals, there will be no rules that "We" have to follow.
There is every bit as much variation within the LGBT community, yet it is a distinct subculture with its own rules.
Rules of some kind -- hopefully not overly restrictive rules -- will inevitably emerge as a subculture organizes and grows, as the autistic community is now doing, albeit slowly. We just need to make sure that the rules make sense.
At the very least, we should NOT assume that the NT world's rules are an unalterable fact of life within even an autistic-friendly subculture.
I think this is a complicated issue. First, I'm not at all convinced that it is a subculture we should create. The problem with subcultures is that they still obey the general rules of NTs. Second, I think you can generalize NDs as often being left wing, like socialist or communist, and we know how bad the implementation of these ideologies fared. IOW, autistic subcultures with strong cohesion would look an awful lot like some of the worse dictatorships we have seen, and so I rather not have those implemented. The truth probably is that NDs should not organize social cultures at all as this is not natural.
I think the intention is that we shouldn't let those bonds go, and instead, we should fight for them and be persistent. People break-up too easily.
I agree. I have fought for it actually, but i kept hitting a wall. From the 2 of us, i was not the one that wanted to break up. Still it takes two to tango.
But this no contact thing is not helping, that is for sure. It is closer to torture.
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Confession:
My gf did the last silent treatment (she did it few times before) a long ago after a heated discussion about the financial mess she caused to herself back then, and I literally told her and made it clear: “look, in my culture, ignoring one means a lack of respect, do that again and I will break up with you immediately”. She then explained that the silent treatement for her means she’s just sad.
Souded harsh, eh? But it worked very well, no silent treatment from her ever since, when something bothers her she says it.
My gf did the last silent treatment (she did it few times before) a long ago after a heated discussion about the financial mess she caused to herself back then, and I literally told her and made it clear: “look, in my culture, ignoring one means a lack of respect, do that again and I will break up with you immediately”. She then explained that the silent treatement for her means she’s just sad.
Souded harsh, eh? But it worked very well, no silent treatment from her ever since, when something bothers her she says it.
That's really good actually. You've both come to an agreement on how to communicate when isssues arise. Seems very mature and will help to avoid festering problems.
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My gf did the last silent treatment (she did it few times before) a long ago after a heated discussion about the financial mess she caused to herself back then, and I literally told her and made it clear: “look, in my culture, ignoring one means a lack of respect, do that again and I will break up with you immediately”. She then explained that the silent treatement for her means she’s just sad.
Souded harsh, eh? But it worked very well, no silent treatment from her ever since, when something bothers her she says it.
That's really good actually. You've both come to an agreement on how to communicate when isssues arise. Seems very mature and will help to avoid festering problems.
I said it in a very pissed moment tho (not loud pissed but more like boiling inside) , but yeah it turned out well.
Due to the political content of rdos's post, above, I am replying here in the new thread General political stance of an autistic-friendly subculture? in the Politics, Philosophy, and Religion forum.
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This is what I told someone: you may be giving up on relationships but that's all the less reason for me to ignore you.
Lately I worry if it's more me or her imposing the radio silence. I think we've all become more shy than our social trends would suggest. There's no point in ascribing blame for this, it's more important to transcend division.
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I agree. I don't think you're challenging the causes of this problem enough, though. The causes of this problem are the breakdown in cultural norms, the rise of narcissism as the predominant American social attitude and quite generally the not-so-rugged American individualism which boils down to "if you can get away with it, do it". In a previous discussion you had with me (I think it was you), you seemed almost to suggest that you supported these trends.
I have a tendency to draw needy people to me because I'm a good listener, but I am quite an independent person who doesn't need frequent contact with friends, so there have been a couple of times in my life where I've gone no contact on people for the sake of my own sanity. I just found them overwhelming.
I can relate to this tremendously--some people just refuse to accept/care that others have different needs and wants. And I don't know if "no contact" really has to be stated, unless the person has some real personal issues. For the most part, contact will work itself out.
Yeah people do find it too easy to cut off people who trust them these days as I've learned time and time again. I think it's probably much much worse with online friendships and relationships, the phenomenon of people disposing their friends seems extra prevalent when they don't see eachother in person.
But here's the thing- if somebody does that to me, it's my responsibility to myself out of self-respect to do the same to them, permanently. So I guess I fight fire with fire.
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