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06 Dec 2018, 12:50 pm

Something is rotten in my country...

In recent years the welfare policies has changed dramatically in Denmark, and so has the discussions about the welfare state.

Unemployed and disabled people seeking or recieving disability benefits, are regarded as criminals, not only in the eyes of the government but laypeople see them as criminals as well, who only want to leech on society and everyone on disability benefits for mental reasons, are all just fakers/cheaters.

So says more and more people in my country.

Fact of the matter is, there are very, VERY strict requirements of documentation before you can get disability benefits.

Fit-for-work tests are also applied even in obvious situations where people are bed-ridden and cannot move.

Its gone crazy over here.

Disagreeing with the governments current policy is also regarded as sympathizing with criminals.

What is your opinion on the subject?

Should unemployed people who are unemployed due to illness or disabilities, be regarded as criminals?



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06 Dec 2018, 1:01 pm

My opinion?

The people of Denmark are becoming progressively more nationalistic with each passing day.



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06 Dec 2018, 1:04 pm

Fnord wrote:
My opinion?

The people of Denmark are becoming progressively more nationalistic with each passing day.


Well, I'm not talking about immigrants here. Their situation is even worse, though.



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06 Dec 2018, 1:08 pm

Its not good in UK either. Just googled "Atos Death Toll". Thousands have died in the UK because of fit-for-work tests.

Seems like entire Europe hates people who can't work as much as everybody else, and want scapegoats. Its the repeat of the late 1930's Germany.



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06 Dec 2018, 1:13 pm

thinkinginpictures wrote:
Fnord wrote:
My opinion? The people of Denmark are becoming progressively more nationalistic with each passing day.
Well, I'm not talking about immigrants here. Their situation is even worse, though.
Yes, it starts with the immigrants, then expands to include elderly and medical immigrants, then expands to include elderly and disabled citizens, then it eventually will expand to include anyone who is not a "pure" Dane by ancestry.

Maybe the more correct term is "National Socialism"...



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06 Dec 2018, 1:23 pm

Fnord wrote:
thinkinginpictures wrote:
Fnord wrote:
My opinion? The people of Denmark are becoming progressively more nationalistic with each passing day.
Well, I'm not talking about immigrants here. Their situation is even worse, though.
Yes, it starts with the immigrants, then expands to include elderly and medical immigrants, then expands to include elderly and disabled citizens, then it eventually will expand to include anyone who is not a "pure" Dane by ancestry.

Maybe the more correct term is "National Socialism"...


National Socialists (nazis) should be imprisoned for their beliefs - until they repent - then they shall be thrown into jail for 10 years! If they repeat their crime of becoming nazis, they should be imprisoned for life.



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06 Dec 2018, 2:06 pm

thinkinginpictures wrote:
Fnord wrote:
thinkinginpictures wrote:
Fnord wrote:
My opinion? The people of Denmark are becoming progressively more nationalistic with each passing day.
Well, I'm not talking about immigrants here. Their situation is even worse, though.
Yes, it starts with the immigrants, then expands to include elderly and medical immigrants, then expands to include elderly and disabled citizens, then it eventually will expand to include anyone who is not a "pure" Dane by ancestry.

Maybe the more correct term is "National Socialism"...


National Socialists (nazis) should be imprisoned for their beliefs - until they repent - then they shall be thrown into jail for 10 years! If they repeat their crime of becoming nazis, they should be imprisoned for life.


I'm not sure imprisoning individuals for their ideological views is a wise course of action, whether it's Nazis and similar, Islamists, Leninists, or whatnot. All that would likely do is further radicalize groups of that nature and force them to be more discreet about communicating their beliefs while using their appearance as martyrs to build a base of sympathizers. This strategy has been tried before and has failed before, and to succeed you'd merely end up with a totalitarian dystopia of another sort.


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06 Dec 2018, 4:35 pm

funeralxempire wrote:
thinkinginpictures wrote:
Fnord wrote:
thinkinginpictures wrote:
Fnord wrote:
My opinion? The people of Denmark are becoming progressively more nationalistic with each passing day.
Well, I'm not talking about immigrants here. Their situation is even worse, though.
Yes, it starts with the immigrants, then expands to include elderly and medical immigrants, then expands to include elderly and disabled citizens, then it eventually will expand to include anyone who is not a "pure" Dane by ancestry.

Maybe the more correct term is "National Socialism"...


National Socialists (nazis) should be imprisoned for their beliefs - until they repent - then they shall be thrown into jail for 10 years! If they repeat their crime of becoming nazis, they should be imprisoned for life.


I'm not sure imprisoning individuals for their ideological views is a wise course of action, whether it's Nazis and similar, Islamists, Leninists, or whatnot. All that would likely do is further radicalize groups of that nature and force them to be more discreet about communicating their beliefs while using their appearance as martyrs to build a base of sympathizers. This strategy has been tried before and has failed before, and to succeed you'd merely end up with a totalitarian dystopia of another sort.


So what do you suggest as a better approach. Seems like the approach of just let them spew their hatred, just let them have their marches and that doesn't seem to work either.


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06 Dec 2018, 11:28 pm

The more people get squeezed by economic and governmental issues the more they get this way.


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07 Dec 2018, 4:10 am

Sweetleaf wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
thinkinginpictures wrote:
Fnord wrote:
thinkinginpictures wrote:
Fnord wrote:
My opinion? The people of Denmark are becoming progressively more nationalistic with each passing day.
Well, I'm not talking about immigrants here. Their situation is even worse, though.
Yes, it starts with the immigrants, then expands to include elderly and medical immigrants, then expands to include elderly and disabled citizens, then it eventually will expand to include anyone who is not a "pure" Dane by ancestry.

Maybe the more correct term is "National Socialism"...


National Socialists (nazis) should be imprisoned for their beliefs - until they repent - then they shall be thrown into jail for 10 years! If they repeat their crime of becoming nazis, they should be imprisoned for life.


I'm not sure imprisoning individuals for their ideological views is a wise course of action, whether it's Nazis and similar, Islamists, Leninists, or whatnot. All that would likely do is further radicalize groups of that nature and force them to be more discreet about communicating their beliefs while using their appearance as martyrs to build a base of sympathizers. This strategy has been tried before and has failed before, and to succeed you'd merely end up with a totalitarian dystopia of another sort.


So what do you suggest as a better approach. Seems like the approach of just let them spew their hatred, just let them have their marches and that doesn't seem to work either.


We let people(not saying all) on the left spew their hatred and have their marches, should we lock them all up too?



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07 Dec 2018, 7:45 am

Being a Nazi is not the same as being a liberal, conservative, or even a Trumpite.



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07 Dec 2018, 9:13 am

I think that the US is getting just as bad. I see poverty getting worse everywhere I look in this country and a sham of a government that does not give a s**t.


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07 Dec 2018, 3:41 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
Being a Nazi is not the same as being a liberal, conservative, or even a Trumpite.


No, but nazis and conservatives have a lot more in common than nazis and liberals.

In-fact, many conservatives supported the nazis, because they share the same ideals.

If you want to eliminate a problem, you'd better go for the root rather than the leaves.

The root of the problem is right wing policies.



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07 Dec 2018, 3:44 pm

sly279 wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
So what do you suggest as a better approach. Seems like the approach of just let them spew their hatred, just let them have their marches and that doesn't seem to work either.


We let people(not saying all) on the left spew their hatred and have their marches, should we lock them all up too?


Hatred is not the problem. The actual policies are.

There is nothing wrong with spew hatred at fascists. There is, however, a problem with fascist policies.



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07 Dec 2018, 6:18 pm

sly279 wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
thinkinginpictures wrote:
Fnord wrote:
thinkinginpictures wrote:
Fnord wrote:
My opinion? The people of Denmark are becoming progressively more nationalistic with each passing day.
Well, I'm not talking about immigrants here. Their situation is even worse, though.
Yes, it starts with the immigrants, then expands to include elderly and medical immigrants, then expands to include elderly and disabled citizens, then it eventually will expand to include anyone who is not a "pure" Dane by ancestry.

Maybe the more correct term is "National Socialism"...


National Socialists (nazis) should be imprisoned for their beliefs - until they repent - then they shall be thrown into jail for 10 years! If they repeat their crime of becoming nazis, they should be imprisoned for life.


I'm not sure imprisoning individuals for their ideological views is a wise course of action, whether it's Nazis and similar, Islamists, Leninists, or whatnot. All that would likely do is further radicalize groups of that nature and force them to be more discreet about communicating their beliefs while using their appearance as martyrs to build a base of sympathizers. This strategy has been tried before and has failed before, and to succeed you'd merely end up with a totalitarian dystopia of another sort.


So what do you suggest as a better approach. Seems like the approach of just let them spew their hatred, just let them have their marches and that doesn't seem to work either.


We let people(not saying all) on the left spew their hatred and have their marches, should we lock them all up too?


We should lock them up when they do something criminal. In your society forget about guilty until proven innocent it would be just guilty.

What we have is working. That is still true even with the recent uptick in attacks. There were a few hundred of them in Charlottesville. For the anniversary march there was at most 20 of them, outnumbered by a few thousand counter protesters.


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