What if they take sugar out of coke completely?

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04 Jan 2019, 3:15 pm

Can they do this? I hope not, because I don't drink alcohol but I like coke to relax, and I do not like diet coke or that zero sugar coke. They took sugar out of a lot of other cardonated drinks, and some shops only sell normal coke in very small bottles or cans. I'm just worried in case they stop doing normal (sugar) coke altogether one day.

If they did, it will not be fair, because they don't stop selling cigarettes even though that is the most harmful habit one could have and it also harms others around, and they don't stop selling alcohol in drinks and sometimes alcohol consumption causes crime and such, so why should they stop doing sugar in non-alcoholic drinks?

I'm not saying they should stop putting alcohol in drinks or stop selling tobacco, but I think that the same should go to sugar. Why not just slap a picture of a severely obese person on a bottle of coke saying "sugar causes heart attacks" what nobody will take any notice of, just like they show pictures of cancerous lungs on packs of cigarettes?

They won't stop adding sugar to coke, will they? If they did, I will just by the zero sugar coke and add spoonfuls of sugar to make it taste like coke. I've been drinking coke all my life and I'm not fat by the way.


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04 Jan 2019, 3:22 pm

I don't drink it, even the artificial stuff just as bad, if not worse

Avoid things with aspartame in, as it's poison.



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04 Jan 2019, 3:33 pm

sorrowfairiewhisper wrote:
I don't drink it, even the artificial stuff just as bad, if not worse

Avoid things with aspartame in, as it's poison.


Agreed. Aspartame should be banned by law, many times worse than sugar. I still don't drink regular coke either, though, because the sugar is if such a poor quality and there's so unnecessarily much of it in there. Coca Cola is also one of the most corrupt and amoral corporations in the world; PepsiCo isn't quite so bad.

I certainly wouldn't support placing patronising and ineffective warning messages on the bottles, though; one has no right to spoil a source of others' pleasure just because one doesn't share it. The same goes for tobacco.

My advice is to stop drinking cola altogether, or at least switch to Pepsi.



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04 Jan 2019, 3:49 pm

Not being from the UK, does Coke still actually contain real sugar? Like virtually everything else in the U.S., for many years most carbonated soft drinks, including Coke do NOT contain sugar, they instead contain a vile substance called "High Fructose Corn Syrup" which is derived from Genetically Modified corn created by the Monsanto Corp.

Since there are scores of different licensed bottlers of Coke products in the U.S., there are still a relatively small number of bottlers that do still use actual sugar. So it's possible to find Coke in the U.S. with sugar rather than HFCS, but depending on where a person lives, they may have to search for it or purchase it online.

Most sugar produced in the U.S. is derived from sugar beets which are also.........genetically modified.

I may be wrong, but I don't believe sugar derived from sugar cane is genetically modified. If I purchase sugar, I only purchase "pure cane sugar". But, who knows, maybe that's a GMO food now too..... :cry:



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04 Jan 2019, 3:53 pm

I've seen Coke imported from Mexico. It has cane sugar instead of high fructose corn syrup.



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04 Jan 2019, 3:57 pm

Mexicoke is the way to go.


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04 Jan 2019, 3:59 pm

It's impossible to know whether what you're consuming is GMO in the US, because Monsanto (perhaps the most sociopathic corporation on Earth) and its friends have lobbied tirelessly to ensure that adequate food labelling isn't introduced over there. California actually had a referendum on this and, so powerful is the poisonous food lobby that Californians actually voted NOT to know what's in their food; this sounds insane, and that's because it is.

In the EU, we're blessed with much safer and more sensible food regulations, as well as decent food labelling laws across the
continent. The poisonous food lobby is trying to worm its way into markets over here, too, but to date has been unsuccessful.



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04 Jan 2019, 4:14 pm

Prometheus18 wrote:
It's impossible to know whether what you're consuming is GMO in the US, because Monsanto (perhaps the most sociopathic corporation on Earth) and its friends have lobbied tirelessly to ensure that adequate food labelling isn't introduced over there. California actually had a referendum on this and, so powerful is the poisonous food lobby that Californians actually voted NOT to know what's in their food; this sounds insane, and that's because it is.

In the EU, we're blessed with much safer and more sensible food regulations, as well as decent food labelling laws across the
continent. The poisonous food lobby is trying to worm its way into markets over here, too, but to date has been unsuccessful.


I think that's changing somewhat. Whether or not it's voluntary at this point, I notice packaging of some conventionally grown foods here that say: "some ingredients contained in this product were produced from genetically modified organisms." or something similar to that.

Buying certified organic food in the U.S. is the safest way to avoid GMO but you're right, if I recall correctly the conventional food industry lobbied successfully to bastardize that labeling to allow for a small percentage of the product to be non-organic but still be eligible for being able to be labeled "Organic".

Buying strictly organic is clearly far more costly and not everyone can afford to do that. There are conventionally grown foods that are known to have little to know pesticide residue/usage and are categorized on a colloquial list known as the "Clean 15" in contrast to the foods considered to be the "Dirty Dozen". I know this isn't speaking to GMO but rather pesticides.



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05 Jan 2019, 12:16 pm

I've seen food in the asian market with GMO labels.

Sometimes organic food is cheaper for me because I only need a little bit of it for cooking. No sense buying more than I can eat.

I checked the market and Mexicoke has sucrose in it. They also had Mexican Fanta and Sprite.

I bought some California Raspberry made with cane sugar. I used to live next to a sugar cane field. Twice.



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05 Jan 2019, 1:54 pm

So this topic ends up in talk about GMOs and aspartame while it started being about sugar. :roll:

Sugar, when consumed excessively is way more dangerous than GMOs or aspartame. There are hundreds of millions of people on this planet that are obese and have illnesses due to consuming too much sugar and/or carbohydrates.

In fact I am one of them, I have diabetes type 2 due to overweight. And you can pry my frosty can of diet coke from my cold dead hands :evil:



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05 Jan 2019, 1:57 pm

JulietMikeBravo wrote:
So this topic ends up in talk about GMOs and aspartame while it started being about sugar. :roll:

Sugar, when consumed excessively is way more dangerous than GMOs or aspartame. There are hundreds of millions of people on this planet that are obese and have illnesses due to consuming too much sugar and/or carbohydrates.

In fact I am one of them, I have diabetes type 2 due to overweight. And you can pry my frosty can of diet coke from my cold dead hands :evil:


The evidence is inconclusive, but on the face of it, good quality sugar (difficult to get hold of nowadays) having been consumed for thousands of years, could hardly be more harmful than aspartame, which is little more than industrial waste. I'm sorry to hear about your diabetes, but don't let observer bias skew your judgement here.



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05 Jan 2019, 2:14 pm

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little more than industrial waste


That's quite far from the truth. In fact, aspartame is a combination of naturally occuring amino acids. When digested, aspartame is broken down into these amino acids again. The synthesis process is of course done on an industrial scale, but that is not relevant to the possible toxicity of aspartame itself.

People should read up more on basic (bio)chemistry and toxicology. The fear of monosodium glutamate (MSG), which occurs naturally in many foods has the same cause, a lack of knowledge and respect for science.



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05 Jan 2019, 3:07 pm

JulietMikeBravo wrote:
Prometheus18 wrote:
little more than industrial waste


That's quite far from the truth. In fact, aspartame is a combination of naturally occuring amino acids. When digested, aspartame is broken down into these amino acids again. The synthesis process is of course done on an industrial scale, but that is not relevant to the possible toxicity of aspartame itself.

People should read up more on basic (bio)chemistry and toxicology. The fear of monosodium glutamate (MSG), which occurs naturally in many foods has the same cause, a lack of knowledge and respect for science.


Whether natural or not - and I'm a physicist rather than a chemist - the substance is linked to a number of adverse health effects, including cancer and and neurotoxicity. It's known to be strongly linked to migraines and may very well exacerbate the symptoms of those with mood disorders. There's also no evidence whatever that it decreases the risk of diabetes or obesity. At best, it's no better than sugar, at worst it's a downright poison.

I don't know much about MSGs, but just stating that those who object to the presence of MSGs in their food need to educate themselves isn't a refutation of their claims.



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05 Jan 2019, 3:12 pm

^^ Also, it's been years since I looked into it, but I seem to recall Aspartame subjected to heat (e.g. canned beverages sitting in hot warehouses and delivery trucks) goes through a chemical transformation resulting in part with the creation of formaldehyde?



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05 Jan 2019, 4:19 pm

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^^ Also, it's been years since I looked into it, but I seem to recall Aspartame subjected to heat (e.g. canned beverages sitting in hot warehouses and delivery trucks) goes through a chemical transformation resulting in part with the creation of formaldehyde?

I've heard something along these lines, too.



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05 Jan 2019, 6:11 pm

Prometheus18 wrote:
Magna wrote:
^^ Also, it's been years since I looked into it, but I seem to recall Aspartame subjected to heat (e.g. canned beverages sitting in hot warehouses and delivery trucks) goes through a chemical transformation resulting in part with the creation of formaldehyde?

I've heard something along these lines, too.


According to a Life Sciences research article from 1998, aspartame can undergo conversion to formaldehyde in vivo in rats:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9714421/


Personally, I hate the taste of aspartame. It is extremely bitter and has a long aftertaste when I have had it. If I drink soda pop, I try to check if it contains cane sugar. Mexican Coca-Cola is the way to go.