The debate is over: The oceans are in hot, hot water

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https://www.salon.com/2019/01/20/the-de ... r_partner/

Seems pretty compelling. Can any of you debunk this as fake news? I am not a climate scientist, chemist, or physicist. I don’t know if even the simple math and statements they made are accurate or not.

But assuming it’s legit, this should be pretty alarming stuff.

This article gives a lot of numbers, stuff that sounds impressive but actually means very little. It talks about how hot the oceans are getting warmer and instead of giving something useful to show that like a graph or trend line plotting out ocean temperatures over time, it gives the data in a way that is impossible to interpret and useless. Joules added compared to joules used by humanity means absolutely nothing.

It's the old saying, "If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with BS"

We know humans are ruining the environment, but what can we do?

Look at the grief they give Trump for trying to keep people out.

Is it BS, though?

Nothing you've said debunks anything in the article. All you've said is that they provided some data and without a visual representation You can't interpret it very easily. That doesn't mean that anything in the article is false or misleading.

Are there any reports that the fishing industry is suffering on a global scale? A shortage of sea food and a corresponding significant rise in sea food prices would be a pretty clear indication of a significant problem.

Salmon fishery collapsed in Alaska in 2017. I've seen headlines about other fish stocks dwindling. No idea if there's a global industry report, but if all of these headlines are correct we're about to see big time shortages of fishies.. worse year by year if that other recent article is correct in forecasting 2048 as the year we fish our last fish at the current rates of decline.

No, I didn't debunk anything in the article. It doesn't need debunking as it lists no data that can possibly be used to show rising ocean temperatures, instead it gives useless information that sounds impressive.

It isn't that the information isn't represented visually, it simply doesn't exist in the article at all, I was just suggesting a good way to show the information that would actually go for their point.

But there is data & information in the article. It's not void of any data, information, statements or claims. And you haven't debunked anything written in it, so how can you call it BS?

The data that they use doesn't provide evidence for anything they say. I say BS because they have written this article on statements alone, the data provided is meaningless. If they want to show that the oceans are warming tell me a rate of warming, the current temp verses 10 years ago, etc. They simply say that the oceans gained 9 zettajoules of energy, without knowing the whole energy content of all the oceans in joules, the mass of the oceans, and a conversion factor between joules and temperature, one cannot even determine the current temperature, let alone the rate of change and whether this increase was a one year event(did they lose energy the previous year?).

Not according to the alaska.gov
2017 Commercial Salmon Harvest Summary. In fact it says 2017 was a banner year (see below).



https://www.adfg.alaska.gov/index.cfm?a ... pr10032017

This reminds me if the claim that crops were rotting due to there not being enough illegal alien pickers, but when I checked the .gov agriculture report, there was no indication of that whatsoever.



You might want to investigate those matters the way I just did.

NASA: Global Climate Change

Climate Change Indicators: Sea Surface Temperature

Rising Ocean Temperatures 'Greatest Hidden Challenge of Our Generation,' Report Says

2018 was the ocean's hottest year. We'll feel it a long time.

How about all this information?

See the last paragraph of this article:

http://www.thebigwobble.org/2018/11/ano ... n.html?m=1

As long as the Koch brothers still get to make ever more money, EzraS and RichardJ will eat, drink, and breathe sludge.

That last paragraph seems to have been debunked by the Alaska Department of Fish and Game. That's what I mean by investigating what you read on websites like the big wobble.

Last edited by EzraS on 28 Jan 2019, 8:29 am, edited 1 time in total.

Also remember that fishies can, conceivably, adapt to the new conditions. They’ve done this before over about 400 million years. They did fine over at least two massive geologic “apocalypses.”

El Niño and La Niña are caused by fluctuations in water temperatures.

All this bears watching—but to predict the 2048 Apocalypse with certainty can be said to be alarmist.

We should change our habits....but we should also not jump to impetuous conclusions.

I believe in environmentalism, by the way.