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15 Feb 2019, 2:34 am

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-6Mh9uVW3Y

I'm on the fence as I haven't heard much about it recently. Saw a boy cross dressing in the dress the other day, thought I should look into this new trend



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15 Feb 2019, 9:20 am

f**k Ben Shapiro.



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15 Feb 2019, 10:19 am

All this hate? Shapiro does make good common sense arguments, that's not saying I agree with everything he says, but it's ok to disagree with people and not hate them. In this particular subject, he is talking about people giving 3 to 4 year old children puberty blockers, that is child abuse. It's fine if you want to transition when you become an adult if that is your decision.

Analyse the situation with common sense. A boy child that may want to dress up like a girl is not a conclusion that the boy will be gay or want to transition once they grow up. It's not wrong to be gay, it's not wrong to transition as an adult, it is very wrong to allow children to make adult decisions. Perhaps we should tell them it's ok to do drugs at 4 years old? Hey, that's what the kid wants to do....



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15 Feb 2019, 10:26 am

The purpose of the puberty blockers is to allow them to decide whether they wish to transition as an adult. It delays things so they can decide when the time is right.



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15 Feb 2019, 10:33 am

BTDT wrote:
The purpose of the puberty blockers is to allow them to decide whether they wish to transition as an adult. It delays things so they can decide when the time is right.



Sorry but I disagree. Let me point out that all transgenders don't decide to remove their penis, in fact a lot of them don't(Hence the huge market for 'tranny porn') . If you give a child puberty blockers their penis will not grow. Not to mention, how many studies have been done on giving children puberty blockers and analyzing how it effects their mental health once the become adults? I'm assuming not much data exists as this outbreak of insanity is fairly new. I'll clarify, transitioning as an adult is not insane, giving a child that option is.

What happens when this child grows up and is straight and like women yet has a child size penis? I assume that would affect their sex life dramatically. Same scenario but gay and wishes their penis wasn't child sized? Same scenario but they wish to transition yet keep their penis?



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15 Feb 2019, 10:42 am

https://journalofethics.ama-assn.org/ar ... en/2010-08

Giordano then turns to concerns about the safety of what is still an experimental treatment. First, are we putting children at risk for short- or long-term adverse events? It is worthwhile to note that exogenous continuous GnRH administration is the standard of care for the treatment of precocious puberty, and its safety and efficacy have been extensively studied [11]



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15 Feb 2019, 10:46 am

BTDT wrote:
https://journalofethics.ama-assn.org/article/suppression-puberty-transgender-children/2010-08

Giordano then turns to concerns about the safety of what is still an experimental treatment. First, are we putting children at risk for short- or long-term adverse events? It is worthwhile to note that exogenous continuous GnRH administration is the standard of care for the treatment of precocious puberty, and its safety and efficacy have been extensively studied [11]


But answer this question because this is the information I have heard from a transgender that still has her penis, puberty blockers radically reduce growth of the penis. Sorry, I had edited, look at the scenarios I have placed out.



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15 Feb 2019, 10:47 am

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All this hate? Shapiro does make good common sense arguments, that's not saying I agree with everything he says....

f**k him anyway, there's no nuance, just transphobia. So what if a kid wears a dress? It's a freaking piece of cloth.



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15 Feb 2019, 10:49 am

AspE wrote:
Crimadella wrote:
All this hate? Shapiro does make good common sense arguments, that's not saying I agree with everything he says....

f**k him anyway, there's no nuance, just transphobia. So what if a kid wears a dress? It's a freaking piece of cloth.


We aren't talking about a dress, we are talking about giving children puberty blockers. Call me crazy but i suspect puberty is an important part of children transitioning into adults, so how can anyone claim children should be able to make the decision to stop that process? Or for that matter their parents can even make that decision for them? What happens when this boy grows into an adult and wishes his doctors and parents didn't ruin his life by giving him puberty blockers? What, we try to reverse the process that should have never taken place to begin with?



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15 Feb 2019, 11:00 am

More than likely, that transgender person you know is under HRT, or hormone replacement therapy, which means she has made the decision to transition and is off puberty blockers. You are seeing the effect of HRT.

All sorts of meds are prescribed to kids these days. Are you saying we shouldn't prescribe anti-psychotic meds until people become adults?



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15 Feb 2019, 11:03 am

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More than likely, that transgender person you know is under HRT, or hormone replacement therapy, which means she has made the decision to transition and is off puberty blockers. You are seeing the effect of HRT.


What are you talking about? Do puberty blockers reduce penis size or not? She is a transgender that has a huge penis and that is what she prefers as many transgender women also prefer. (She specifically stated that)



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15 Feb 2019, 11:10 am

Don't take my word for it, this is one of many transgenders that don't like the idea of people giving children puberty blockers that prevent their penis from growing.



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15 Feb 2019, 11:11 am

I find it impossible to accurately answer questions when you edit your previous posts to something else. Just one of my Aspie quirks.



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15 Feb 2019, 11:16 am

I'm sorry, I will try to not do that. I think of more things to say after I post and don't want to stream a lot of posts. The question is there. I feel it should be pretty obvious that it's not an intelligent move to put a child on puberty blockers

It reduces penis growth. It causes a child to not experience puberty when transitioning into an adult. This child may grow up to be straight, gay, or transgender and wish their penis wasn't child sized. It is far more damaging than helpful, that should be obvious.



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15 Feb 2019, 11:18 am

Crimadella wrote:
AspE wrote:
Crimadella wrote:
All this hate? Shapiro does make good common sense arguments, that's not saying I agree with everything he says....

f**k him anyway, there's no nuance, just transphobia. So what if a kid wears a dress? It's a freaking piece of cloth.


We aren't talking about a dress, we are talking about giving children puberty blockers. Call me crazy but i suspect puberty is an important part of children transitioning into adults, so how can anyone claim children should be able to make the decision to stop that process? Or for that matter their parents can even make that decision for them? What happens when this boy grows into an adult and wishes his doctors and parents didn't ruin his life by giving him puberty blockers? What, we try to reverse the process that should have never taken place to begin with?

It's a straw man. Any reputable doctor would recommend delaying any transition until puberty.