Using "right" to mean "correct" is handedist

Page 1 of 3 [ 41 posts ]  Go to page 1, 2, 3  Next

NewTime
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 14 Apr 2015
Posts: 2,060

01 Mar 2019, 11:42 am

The reason why we do so is because historically right-handed people were considered superior to left-handed people.



kraftiekortie
Veteran
Veteran

Joined: 4 Feb 2014
Gender: Male
Posts: 87,510
Location: Queens, NYC

01 Mar 2019, 12:03 pm

Right (LOL)



TUF
Veteran
Veteran

Joined: 10 Dec 2018
Gender: Female
Posts: 1,464

01 Mar 2019, 12:21 pm

My NT cousin says this too. She's left handed.

It's technically correct but incredibly pedantic, I don't think anyone means it this way anymore.



Trogluddite
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 2 Feb 2016
Age: 54
Gender: Male
Posts: 3,075
Location: Yorkshire, UK

01 Mar 2019, 12:37 pm

Yes, there is some truth to that.

The word "dextrous", to mean talented with one's hands, comes from the latin "dexter", meaning "right" (the direction.)
And the word "sinister" is borrowed from the latin word for "left" (left handed people were considered "sinister".)

But as TUF said, the connotations of words change over time - a left handed person can now be described as "dextrous", and there are right-handed people who are "sinister". The word "ambidextrous" might be very confusing if taken back to its literal roots ("right handed on both sides." :? )


_________________
When you are fighting an invisible monster, first throw a bucket of paint over it.


Skilpadde
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 7 Dec 2008
Age: 47
Gender: Female
Posts: 27,019

01 Mar 2019, 2:06 pm

I've never even remotely thought of it in terms of left or right handedness. I have thought of it in terms of political right/ left though, and wondered about the origin.
Is handedness really what it derives from?

We don't use "høyre" (right as in not left) to say correct in Norwegian, we use korrekt or riktig, the latter seems like it might be related to right and German richtig.


_________________
BOLTZ 17/3 2012 - 12/11 2020
Beautiful, sweet, gentle, playful, loyal
simply the best and one of a kind
love you and miss you, dear boy

Stop the wolf kills! https://www.thepetitionsite.com/takeact ... 3091429765


Trogluddite
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 2 Feb 2016
Age: 54
Gender: Male
Posts: 3,075
Location: Yorkshire, UK

01 Mar 2019, 2:33 pm

Skilpadde wrote:
I have thought of it in terms of political right/ left though, and wondered about the origin.
Is handedness really what it derives from?

From seating arrangements originally. Around the time of the French Revolution, their parliament polarised into supporters of the King and supporters of a republic. They didn't like sitting next to each other much, so arranged themselves either side of the room - royalists to the right of the president, and the republicans to the left.


_________________
When you are fighting an invisible monster, first throw a bucket of paint over it.


shortfatbalduglyman
Veteran
Veteran

Joined: 4 Mar 2017
Age: 41
Gender: Male
Posts: 11,215

01 Mar 2019, 9:23 pm

"left out"

Leftovers



blazingstar
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 19 Nov 2017
Age: 71
Gender: Female
Posts: 6,234

01 Mar 2019, 9:32 pm

Trogluddite wrote:
Skilpadde wrote:
I have thought of it in terms of political right/ left though, and wondered about the origin.
Is handedness really what it derives from?

From seating arrangements originally. Around the time of the French Revolution, their parliament polarised into supporters of the King and supporters of a republic. They didn't like sitting next to each other much, so arranged themselves either side of the room - royalists to the right of the president, and the republicans to the left.


Fascinating!

I tend to use the word "correct" instead of "right" just because the meaning is clearer. I think of "correct" as meaning factually accurate, while "right" can have the implication of moral rightness, or having more virtue.


_________________
The river is the melody
And sky is the refrain
- Gordon Lightfoot


lostonearth35
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 5 Jan 2010
Age: 51
Gender: Female
Posts: 13,278
Location: Lost on Earth, waddya think?

02 Mar 2019, 12:25 pm

I'm left handed, but I really don't care. Things have gotten way to PC enough as it is. We don't need lefties being triggered by phrases such as "two left feet" to mean a clumsy person, or "left-handed compliment", meaning an insult flimsily disguised as a compliment.

Like a lot of other lefties, I've even embraced the word "sinister". :twisted:



Trogluddite
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 2 Feb 2016
Age: 54
Gender: Male
Posts: 3,075
Location: Yorkshire, UK

02 Mar 2019, 12:49 pm

shortfatbalduglyman wrote:
"left out"
Leftovers

Yup. The word "left" stems from the Old English word "lyft" - meaning weak/worthless/foolish.


_________________
When you are fighting an invisible monster, first throw a bucket of paint over it.


naturalplastic
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 26 Aug 2010
Age: 70
Gender: Male
Posts: 35,189
Location: temperate zone

02 Mar 2019, 12:59 pm

Well...

The most well known serial killer on TV is the character named "Dexter".

And the word "dexter" in Latin means "right". So that clear slam at the right handed (by associating the direction right with serial murder) could be considered a kind of "linguistic affirmative action" to benefit the left handed.


So there! :D



naturalplastic
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 26 Aug 2010
Age: 70
Gender: Male
Posts: 35,189
Location: temperate zone

02 Mar 2019, 1:06 pm

The way that my ancient history professor explained it: back in Roman times if you met a stranger you shook hands with them. And you shook right hands. That way both of your functioning hands are occupied for a moment ...so neither you nor the stranger can stab the other with a bladed weapon. So both of you can be confident of the other's friendly intent.

But if the stranger shook with his left hand then he would be considered "sinister" (in both senses of the word). Or if he shook with the right, but at the same time pulled out a weapon with his left - also sinister.

So that's how being "sinister" (left handed) came to be thought of as "sinister" (evil in intent).Makes sense.



IsabellaLinton
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 1 Nov 2017
Gender: Female
Posts: 72,433
Location: Chez Quis

02 Mar 2019, 1:07 pm

Did you know that "OK" stood for "all correct" (sic) ?


_________________
I never give you my number, I only give you my situation.
Beatles


naturalplastic
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 26 Aug 2010
Age: 70
Gender: Male
Posts: 35,189
Location: temperate zone

02 Mar 2019, 1:17 pm

Have heard that.

That it was a deliberate misspelling by newspaper editors on written copy to show that it was ready to be printed. The printers would know that it was not meant to be printed because the deliberate misspelling would flag it.



Trueno
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 2 Jul 2017
Age: 69
Gender: Male
Posts: 1,788
Location: UK

02 Mar 2019, 1:36 pm

Trogluddite wrote:
Skilpadde wrote:
I have thought of it in terms of political right/ left though, and wondered about the origin.
Is handedness really what it derives from?

From seating arrangements originally. Around the time of the French Revolution, their parliament polarised into supporters of the King and supporters of a republic. They didn't like sitting next to each other much, so arranged themselves either side of the room - royalists to the right of the president, and the republicans to the left.


Informative... but it also made me laugh... I kept hearing the music of Steelers Wheel.. royalists to the right of me, republicans to the left, here I am, stuck in the middle with you...


_________________
Steve J

Unkind tongue, right ill hast thou me rendered
For such desert to do me wreak and shame


kraftiekortie
Veteran
Veteran

Joined: 4 Feb 2014
Gender: Male
Posts: 87,510
Location: Queens, NYC

02 Mar 2019, 1:48 pm

“OK” is the one “common” Englisg term which has probably infiltrated the most languages, and has borrowed into many.