Trump "fine people" lie, evidence....

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The famous 'white supremacists are fine people' lie. If you want to continue to believe the lie have the decency to watch the ten minute clip in full which proves how big of a lie this is then also understand that snopes fact check also tells the lie.

Yeah, yeah, yeah — you're just trying to cover up the fact that he gets two scoops of ice cream when everybody else gets one, and the media proved that, and that's all I need to know to prove he's a total racist Nazi!! Orange Man Bad! Orange Man Bad!

lol

Trump has long supported amnesty for illegal aliens.

As a candidate, he campaigned on giving touch-back amnesty to illegal aliens.

As president, he offered amnesty for DACA kids (illegal alien kids) too.

Anti-immigration critics like Ann Coulter and Steve Bannon call him names, and despise him.

You sure Trump didn't say that "fine people lie?"

Why is anyone defending a bunch of lowlife white nationalists?
Those people marching with tiki torches were not good people. Their supporters have been attacking the murdered woman, Heather Heyer, ever since, either blaming her for her own murder, or even claiming she had died from a heart attack rather than from being struck by a car.

This is not history repeating itself, this is history collapsing on itself. Trivializing one death is no different from trivializing ten million deaths.

Wake up & show some respect for those less fortunate.

I Don’t Grieve Over His Cruelty. I Grieve Over Yours.

It's all in the video, it's only 10 minutes, words like "no, white supremacists are bad people" does not translate to "white supremacists are fine people".

I supplied the video evidence? I have watched the video evidence, I supplied the video for a reason, it seems crystal clear that he did not claim that white supremacists are fine people, he made it crystal clear by stating that they are bad people.

How do people get confused about this?

Tiki torches, how scary just Spencer and his idiots hijacking a rightful protest over taking down a statue.

Pretty sure the one could cause the other. And if she did indeed not have a heart attack, why is her mother claiming she did?

https://www.nbcnews.com/video/heather-h ... 8340803735

Trump supposedly calling murdering nazis fine people is too good of a propaganda weapon to see it any other way. Just like him supposedly saying Mexicans are all murderers and rapists. What he really said is their murderers and rapists are coming here illegally.

I don't get why stuff that's made up is always in the forefront. It's like the message is, don't trust anything we say about trump.

I think it should be apparent from the first few seconds of this video that this is a follow-up to a previous statement.

Context for the first statement: before becoming President, Donald Trump repeatedly criticised the great President Obama for allegedly not calling terrorist attacks "radical Islamic terrorism".

In his first statement on the Unite the Right March, attended exclusively by supporters of far-right political movements, where Nazi slogans were chanted and people openly carried Nazi and Confederate flags, Donald Trump did not mention any of the ideologies underpinning the Unite the Right march. He did not mention white supremacy, neo-Nazism, neo-Confederates, the Klan, or the alt-right. He just said "we condemn in the strongest possible terms this egregious display of hatred, bigotry and violence on many sides, on many sides". Now, you know, not the end of the world or anything, but two things to consider. Firstly, the "on many sides" comment: only one side was murdering people, so to draw an equivalency between the alt-right and the counter-protestors was inappropriate - it would be like comparing the guy who shot up the Mosques in Christchurch to the guy who tackled him. Secondly, given that Trump had previously made such a big fuss about naming ideologies, why was he not doing it now? Why was he not rushing to condemn white supremacists in the way that he condemned Islamism?

Let's look at what Trump says just in this video though. Around the four minute mark, he starts attacking the "alt-left" as he puts it. Now, given that 90% of Americans fall into this category (opposed to white supremacy), it's a weird dichotomy for Trump to set up, but he still does it - he says that people who are opposed to Nazism deserve some blame when Nazis kill an innocent American.

Trump then says that people were there to "protest the taking down of the statue of Robert E. Lee." Well, sure. But a) Robert E. Lee was a Confederate general, a traitor to the United States, who dedicated much of his life to opposing racial equality, and is today remembered primarily as a white supremacist, being actively used as a positive symbol of white supremacy by white supremacists, and b) if people genuinely just liked the statue and didn't realise or care what it symbolised, then they still stuck around while the rest of the crowd displayed symbols of white supremacy and chanted Nazi slogans.

(Interesting side note: Trump then goes on to say that whether statues stay up should be down to the local community or federal government depending on where the statue is located. The local government had voted to remove the statue, so naturally Trump should support them... Also dodges the question of what he'd do if it was on federal land)

Around 7:20, Donald Trump says there were "very fine people" on both sides. One side was composed solely of white supremacists or, generously, people who were prepared to march with white supremacists while the white supremacists waved their banners and chanted their slogans. I would say if it walks like a white supremacist, quacks like a white supremacist, and "Orange Man Good"s like a white supremacist, it's a white supremacist. Donald Trump says that this group, consisting solely of white supremacists, contained "very fine people". Ergo, Donald Trump said that some white supremacists are very fine people.

This is part of what people mean when they talk about dog whistles. Let's say I claim to be against all superhero films, but I think the Spider Man films are good. Well, the Spider Man films are superhero films. I wouldn't be seen as a hypocrite for saying this necessarily, I'd just be making an exception to the rule - there are some superhero films that I like even though I'm generally opposed - but it would somewhat undermine my claims to be against superhero films in all circumstances, or to take a hard line against superheroes. When Donald Trump suggests that he doesn't like white supremacy, but some subset of white supremacists are very fine people, he's saying that some white supremacists are very fine people. This is a degree of tacit support for white supremacy. By expressing support for some white supremacists, he undermines his loud claims to be against white supremacy - but he can still point to those claims so that people who aren't paying attention think that he has come out against white supremacy.

It's notable that rather than being discouraged, many white supremacists took Trump's remarks at this press conference as a positive sign, including the Daily Stormer and Richard Spencer.

tl;dr: the video doesn't show what you claim it shows unless watched very naively without appreciation for the wider context.

To me all you are doing is trying to spin it as if he suggested white supremacists are fine people, you seem to just carry a bias. All people who believe in respecting history are not white supremacists, that is a rather far leap to suggest, and that is exactly what he clarified. It's funny how people completely ignore the fact that he made it clear that white supremacists are bad people. The 'far left' people you speak of do not represent 90% of the population, it was mostly the anifia group who insist on pushing political views with violence, it is estimated they make up 12% to 18%, and the majority of the population is actually against them. It's extremely obvious those are the people he was referring to on the left, and it's not the first time he has mentioned them, they are actually a target for most people, including people on the left. I'very seen many of videos of black people saying it's wrong to remove historic statues, are we to believe they are white supremacists also?

The fact is he made the clear distinction, stated white supremacists are bad people, yet people keep trying to spin it as if he said white supremacists are fine people.

I mean really, should he write down on a piece of paper that he thinks white supremacists are bad people, make copies of it and mail it to all the people who can't remember that he said white supremacists are bad people and tell them to keep on them at all times so when they question it they can pull out the piece of paper and read it??

Also, white supremacists do not make up 10% of the population, I heard Tim Pool in one of his reports say that it is estimated that there are 150,000 white supremacists in the US, do the math, that isn't even 1% of the population. In fact, it is estimated that 2% of the population has schizophrenia, that's 7,000,000 out of 350 million, white supremacy is hardly on the rise and just as you claimed, the majority of the population are against white supremacy ideologies, so it would be rather stupid to campaign on supporting white supremacy unless one has the goal of not being re-elected. That's the easy way to understand that Trump most certainly does not openly support racism as the left keeps trying to bring that easy to prove wrong conspiracy theory up.

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He still says there were very fine people on both sides, in reference to charlottesville very fine people don't stand side by side with nazis...but that's just my opinion. Also though he quite clearly says it so how is it a 'lie' that he said those words when this video has direct proof of it?

Also, there was violence on both sides, a lot of fist fighting and stuff,but the only death that occured was from the white supremacist running that woman over and killing her. I have watched video of the protests and I won't deny both sides fought but as far as lethal violence, that did not occur on both sides. So at best what Trump says in that video is questionable.

The protest was organized by white supremacists and neo-nazis.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unite_the_Right_rally

Among the far-right groups engaged in organizing the march were the Stormer Book Clubs (SBCs) of the neo-Nazi news website The Daily Stormer,[51] The Right Stuff,[52] the National Policy Institute,[53] and four groups that form the Nationalist Front:[50] the neo-Confederate League of the South,[50] the neo-Nazi groups Traditionalist Worker Party,[54] Vanguard America,[54] and the National Socialist Movement.[50] Other groups involved in the rally were the Ku Klux Klan (specifically the Loyal White Knights and the Confederate White Knights branches)[55] ,[21] the Fraternal Order of Alt-Knights,[54] the American Identitarian group Identity Evropa,[56] the Southern California-based fight club Rise Above Movement,[57][58] the American Guard,[19] the Detroit Right Wings – misappropriating the name of the Detroit Red Wings NHL team, which usage was condemned by the team,[59][60] True Cascadia,[61] the Canadian-based ARM (Alt-Right Montreal) and Hammer Brothers,[62] and Anti-Communist Action.[19]

Prominent far-right figures in attendance included National Policy Institute Chairman and white supremacist Richard Spencer,[63] entertainer and internet troll Baked Alaska,[63] former Libertarian Party candidate Augustus Invictus,[64] former Ku Klux Klan Imperial Wizard David Duke,[65] Identity Evropa leader Nathan Damigo,[66] Traditionalist Workers Party leader Matthew Heimbach,[63] Right Stuff founder Mike Enoch,[63] Eric Striker of The Daily Stormer,[67] League of the South founder and leader Michael Hill,[9] Red Ice host and founder Henrik Palmgren,[68] The Rebel Media commentator Faith Goldy,[69] Right Side Broadcasting Network host Nick Fuentes,[70] YouTube personality James Allsup,[70] AltRight.com editor Daniel Friberg,[71] former Business Insider CTO Pax Dickinson,[72] Right Stuff blogger Johnny Monoxide,[73] Daily Stormer writers Robert "Azzmador" Ray and Gabriel "Zeiger" Sohier-Chaput,[74] Daily Caller contributor and rally organizer Jason Kessler,[75] and Radical Agenda host Christopher Cantwell.[76][77] Gavin McInnes, the leader of the self-described "Western chauvinist" Proud Boys was invited to attend but declined because of an unwillingness "to be associated with explicit neo-Nazis" although the militia wing of the group the aforementioned Fraternal Order of the Alt-Knights did attend.[20] In June, ahead of the rally, McInnes declared that "we need to distance ourselves from them", but "after backlash to the original disavowal flared-up from Alt-Right circles, the statement was withdrawn and replaced with another distancing the Proud Boys from the event yet also encouraging those who 'feel compelled' to attend".[78]

Airbnb cancelled a number of bookings and accounts when it learned that they were being used by attendees at the rally, citing a request that users endorse a commitment to "accept people regardless of their race, religion, national origin, ethnicity, disability, sex, gender identity, sexual orientation, or age".[79]

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