What might it be like being part of the NT collective?

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kraftiekortie
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12 Apr 2019, 8:36 am

Are both your parents "in the deaf culture," in the sense that they use sign language, and don't speak orally?



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12 Apr 2019, 10:29 am

No.

My stepdad's just old. When you're his age it's normal to be a bit deaf.

My mum's got a rare disease (I'd name it but I'd stop being anonymous if I did) which led to a tumor on her ear. She had to have her ear canal removed to save her life. So she only has one ear canal and understandably that makes hearing really difficult.

I do know they're both hard of hearing/deaf and both mishear things by accident a lot, but it's 'interesting' what they hear and what they don't. Some of it feels deliberate like I'm not being listened to.

Mum works in the community (or used to, her work's expanded into helping other sorts of disabled and neuro divergent kids too). We tried to learn sign language but struggled with it and she doesn't use it outside of work.



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12 Apr 2019, 10:36 am

Do you feel, once you're "cleared" to work, that you will work with neurodivergent kids as your mother presently does?



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12 Apr 2019, 10:55 am

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Basically how I feel around other Celtic fans.

On Reddit at the moment on /r Scottish football I'm heavily downvoted for saying ICT are crap. Um, they're in the league below.

On /r Celtic I'm heavily upvoted for saying only crap teams have stars for domestic leagues.

These are both my genuine opinions.

Also amongst writers/artists or anyone else who thinks deeply and unusually. Often autistic people are the second of those, sometimes the first as well.

I find my political and or football opponents twist what I say a lot. That bothers me but it's normal, NTs get it too. It's a dishonest political tactic. What annoys me is when my fellow leftists choose to do the same because they're SJW and want to cry over something. You're not 'meant' to provide devil's advocate or to explain how the other side is feeling. I find it happens more online where I'm assumed to have 'white privilege'.

My feelings are so much a mix of what a Celtic fan would say a Celtic fan felt and what a Rangers fan would say a Celtic fan felt that sometimes I wonder how much of me exists outside of football... But by football I mean politics, football, love, art, heritage, general world views. I'm essentially a left wing, social libertarian who isn't allowed to get a job because of mental illness but has done charity work for Oxfam. I don't think in England that would be so heavily stereotyped as one team or another.

My parents ignore me and twist things but that's partly because they're deaf and partly because they use 'I'm deaf' as a strategy not to listen to full sentences. I find that annoying.


Very interesting! I'm not big on football, I know a little bit about the comaradary and hatred involved! However I'm also on the left politically, more so the most and I've never seen such a rag tag bunch of infighters in my life!


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13 Apr 2019, 4:11 am

kraftiekortie wrote:
Do you feel, once you're "cleared" to work, that you will work with neurodivergent kids as your mother presently does?


No because I have lifelong conditions.

If I could work, I'd work in librarianship.

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However I'm also on the left politically, more so the most and I've never seen such a rag tag bunch of infighters in my life!


I think the trouble is I say out loud what other people know anyway and don't want to express, because I'm trying to figure it out.

So for eg (I just chose my least contentious one here, it's still fairly contentious) I said 'I think people voted Brexit because the EU is expanding and people don't feel like they have a lot in common with Eastern Europe versus other Western European countries'.

That is how people feel, I think. I really doubt if the EU was smaller, we'd be doing Brexit. But I voted remain. My uncle accused me of being pro Brexit because I expressed what I thought their POV was.



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13 Apr 2019, 5:13 am

TUF wrote:
kraftiekortie wrote:
Do you feel, once you're "cleared" to work, that you will work with neurodivergent kids as your mother presently does?


No because I have lifelong conditions.

If I could work, I'd work in librarianship.

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However I'm also on the left politically, more so the most and I've never seen such a rag tag bunch of infighters in my life!


I think the trouble is I say out loud what other people know anyway and don't want to express, because I'm trying to figure it out.

So for eg (I just chose my least contentious one here, it's still fairly contentious) I said 'I think people voted Brexit because the EU is expanding and people don't feel like they have a lot in common with Eastern Europe versus other Western European countries'.

That is how people feel, I think. I really doubt if the EU was smaller, we'd be doing Brexit. But I voted remain. My uncle accused me of being pro Brexit because I expressed what I thought their POV was.



I voted remain, and don't understand why what you said would be offensive either! In fact I think the view you expressed is likely true.


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13 Apr 2019, 10:20 am

My part-time job is as a library clerk.

I sense that this Brexit thing is going to be long and drawn out.



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13 Apr 2019, 10:26 am

Yeah, I think so too.

Job hunting/rejections/trying to fit the 'social norm' made me ill.

If I was put into the work category, they'd find me the work they thought was appropriate but at the moment they don't think any work is appropriate, and I think that's an ongoing thing. I'm on medicine for it.

I don't mind because I agree with them based on how ill I was.

And even when I was at uni, I was hyper aware of how I'm not helping people the way mum is. I feel deep down she's a better person than I am. I'm more self driven, she's more 'helping people' and 'saving animals' driven. She says that first one isn't true though, that she just enjoys her job.



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13 Apr 2019, 11:34 am

I know what you mean. I’m pretty “self-driven,” too.

My wife is more the social type. She cares more about her family than herself.



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14 Apr 2019, 3:16 pm

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However I'm also on the left politically, more so the most and I've never seen such a rag tag bunch of infighters in my life!


I think the trouble is I say out loud what other people know anyway and don't want to express, because I'm trying to figure it out.

So for eg (I just chose my least contentious one here, it's still fairly contentious) I said 'I think people voted Brexit because the EU is expanding and people don't feel like they have a lot in common with Eastern Europe versus other Western European countries'.

That is how people feel, I think. I really doubt if the EU was smaller, we'd be doing Brexit. But I voted remain. My uncle accused me of being pro Brexit because I expressed what I thought their POV was.



I voted remain, and don't understand why what you said would be offensive either! In fact I think the view you expressed is likely true.[/quote]

I think because NTs are tribal. You're not meant to express a view you disagree with even in terms of 'I think that people did this because that'.

One of my specialist interests is trying to figure out why people do things or believe things even (especially?) if they're at odds with what I do or believe. Maybe because I don't innately know, the way that NTs might. For me, reading people is more of a worked on skill than a natural talent.



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15 Apr 2019, 11:21 am

Is anyone really "neurotypical"? It's not like any two minds are exactly the same. I think our thought processes develop according to our experiences, which vary constantly. Human life is a vast archipelago of isolated, private worlds in which no two people can truly know each other. We try to understand our fellow man by observing his behavior, but there is so much room for error in this method that I often throw up my hands and quit trying. At best we may form tentative bonds through our relationships, but even these are strained and broken with regularity. In my opinion there is no collective, and if people really could connect with each other enough to warrant the term, we would get along much better than we currently do.

All I know for sure is myself, and that I have struggled to comprehend any bigger picture I was encouraged to fit into--be it academic, political, or communal. I don't understand what it means to be a part of something, only that there are certain concessions I must make to others in order to be accepted without an overt hassle, and I prefer to concede only as much as I have to. Any more, and I'm essentially lying to myself by going along with something that doesn't make sense to me. Do people without autism have that problem? I don't really know, and I never will.


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