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I believe it was more that they didn't like the idea of the CLINTONS.

They've had enough of the Bushes, the Clintons, the Kennedys, etc.

I feel we are going back to the 1800's and beyond. Women would get in trouble for having a stillborn or having a miscarriage and be hung for it. Losing a baby is tragic so the last thing a woman would want is being told it's their fault and having to go through an investigation to prove they didn't kill their baby.

This is 2019, why are we going back in time?

I am glad Oregon did not pass this bill.

I got 3 out of 6 which on the “test” which is a failing grade


Formal sex education was in 5th grade. This was 1968 or so. The boys and girls were separated and sworn to secrecy. There was no reason for this,there was a film with cartoon drawings that resembled nothing resembling reality. As mentioned by Fnord high school biology was not sexual. I do not think there was formal women’s studies programs when I went to college in the late 70s but there was sex, relationship, marriage courses that I understand were explicit and for women. Sex “education” for guys was word of mouth, porn films, magazines and book sized letters magazines(anybody remember Penthouse forum?). While the letters magazines were explicit it was mostly guys recounting conquests although once in awhile there was serious discussions.

If sex “education” was that bad in the New York area I can imagine how bad it was when the senators were growing up in rural and bible belt areas. At least in “enlightened” New York porn FWIW was available in the back of most Newsstands and magazine stores, that was probably not true elsewhere and not true when Sanders grew up.

Back on topic I hope Row v Wade is not overturned. While I am concerned about eugenics of autistics the decision to abort is best left to people who have at least some clue because they have lived in a female body their whole lives. The key here is to continue to chip away at the stigmas. If abortion is outlawed and a way to predict who is autistic is found and the stigmas remain autistics will be aborted in the back allies or murdered after birth. My mom talks about midwives throwing “deformed” babies in the garbage. This was not some third world country or the bible belt but Brooklyn, New York in the 1940s.

Wow, you guys are in trouble. There must not be much emphasis on critical thinking in the US primary and secondary education...

We had a similar heartbeat rule here based on the 1861 legislation passed under British rule, but even with that regressive policy ending ectopic pregnancies was not considered abortion, because It's not a viable pregnancy. The 1861 act declared that it was unlawful to "procure a miscarriage".

We were still operating under that archaic piece of legislation (&The 8th constitutional amendment) in 2012, when...
Savita Halappanavar 31 was an Indian woman, living in Ireland, whose death led to the passing of the Protection of Life During Pregnancy Act 2013. Medical staff at University Hospital Galway denied her request for an abortion following an incomplete miscarriage on the grounds that granting her request would be illegal under Irish law, ultimately resulting in her death from septic miscarriage.

Since her death, access to abortion services in the Republic of Ireland has improved dramatically, most notably with the passing of the Health (Regulation of Termination of Pregnancy) Act 2018, which repealed the Eighth Amendment of the Constitution of Ireland. (Source Wikipedia)
This amendment was inserted into our constitution in 1983, while we were still under RC influence, this subsection recognised the equal right to life of the pregnant woman and the unborn, and only allowed abortion if there was a risk to the pregnant woman's life.

So a 17 week old miscarrying foetus was considered equal in their right to live as a
young professional woman who had contributed to society and was in agony dying of sepsis, because of the heartbeat.
When she begged for an abortion she faced doctors that were in fear of prosecution due to the heartbeat and a nurse that reportedly told her that ireland doesn't do abortion because we are a Catholic country.
I still feel anger about her death.

When I was young, I drove a woman half way across the country so she could get an abortion in the only state where it was legal at the time: New York State. After Roe v Wade, I thought that would never have to happen again.

I am afraid too of the direction my country is heading.