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28 Jun 2005, 6:40 pm

Why do you act on emotion when they are illogical and irrational? Why not using reasoning instead? Why don't you ignore emotions? if you cannot explain what causes you to have these, or why you have then? Then they should be ignored! as they are not reliable.



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28 Jun 2005, 6:46 pm

I think that is the only way I can act. It is more likely to show feelings when speaking.


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28 Jun 2005, 6:47 pm

androidbeing wrote:
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Post subject: Emotions?
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Why do you act on emotion when they
are illogical and irrational? Why not using
reasoning instead? Why don't you ignore
emotions? if you cannot explain what
causes you to have these, or why you
have then? Then they should be ignored!
as they are not reliable.


Yes and No!

Emotions are like instinct. They can guide
us or misguide us.

I for example follow my instincts, and emotions
less so. I have to relearn with each change
that is instinctive to accept these emotions
and move on!

How do you explain air, water, ozone layers?
You don't. You can rationalize them but not
really grasp them. Not everything has a
rational relationship with the physical being
and emotion. It is sometimes best to let
certain things be as they are and relearn
how to use them as you evolve!

Sincerely,
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28 Jun 2005, 7:08 pm

So True!
Eh, what happens when resoning is drowned out by an overwhelming flood of emotion, that it all gets out of focus, and reason and logic is impossible? What happens then eh? I go with the emotional flow, what about you?


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28 Jun 2005, 11:22 pm

Every thought we have is indelibly connected to a corresponding emotion. That is how neural connections are made. Some emotions are just more subtle than others. Therefore, even Logic cannot disentangle itself from Emotion. However, the emotions which seem to be more associated to the amorphous term "logic" are a little more even keel most of the time and don't seem to impede Forethought and Planning quite so much.

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29 Jun 2005, 12:27 am

I find that my emotions change with each different subject, or incident that I think about. The momemt that I'm thinking about something somber, I'm in a crappy mood. The next moment, I will be thinking about something that strikes me as being amusing, and I will be laughing my head off. I have to be careful if everybody else is sleeping when that's happening, or else I can wake somebody up.



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29 Jun 2005, 2:57 am

I find that acting on emotion rather than logic caiuses undesirable results.



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29 Jun 2005, 7:20 am

I have trouble discerning my emotions a lot of the time, and this causes more problems than one might expect.

Logic and intellect are better than emotion, you say? Well, I disagree. They serve different purposes. Emotion or intuition can make decisions much more easy to determine. The logical way is often more lengthy, and sometimes does not take all factors into account. Yes, the emotional way is more often incorrect, but it is also more efficient. Emotions are also what connect people, help them form bonds, and maintain relationships. Because I very seldom "miss" people, I have a hard time maintaining relationships, and understanding why they would be upset with me if I do not keep in contact.

Emotions which go undetected can also do a number on your body. Emotions do affect physiology as well as your mental states. For example, I may be feeling stressed but have no awareness of this, but then develop a terrible stomach ache. Had I realized I was stressed, the stomach ache could have been averted before the stress came to that point.



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29 Jun 2005, 10:34 am

i agree with civet.



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29 Jun 2005, 2:27 pm

Here here.


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29 Jun 2005, 2:37 pm

My emotions are something I have a very, very hard time with, because, on the one hand, I experience emotions far more intensely than most people(according to my therapist) and I fly from one to the next rapidly, I can go through three or four intense emotions in less than a minute. I can also stay on one emotion for up to a week. I also mostly experience 4 or 5 "background" emotions with the intense main emotion. I am not sure if this is normal or not. It is impossible for me to seperate my emotions from my reasoning, however, I can be reasoned with even when I am highly emotional.



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29 Jun 2005, 2:57 pm

Emotions suck.


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29 Jun 2005, 3:45 pm

I have problems showing my emotions.



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29 Jun 2005, 6:51 pm

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29 Jun 2005, 11:23 pm

In my opinion, emotions are quite logical and a fundamental component of decision making. The assumptions we make and the preferences we have among otherwise equally valued options are rooted in emotion.

Let's take a look at anger, first of all. One responds in anger at a perceived injustice. Anger demands of us equity, the restoration of justice. A primitive impulse one may have when angered is to use aggression against the offending party; this is an impulse a psychopath, for example, has poor ability to control. A person who has good control of his or her emotions will not become especially angry, or even angry at all, when, for example, he or she is cut off while driving because the slight is too small for any action to be reasonable. An emotionally mature people, when insulted, will probably seek clarification instead of feeling indignation; perhaps they misunderstood. Anger, of course, is not an emotion that should simply be denied. A person might feel a sort of righteous indignation at the government's handling (or mishandling) of social injustices and will act on this form of anger constructively: perhaps by starting a petition or running for office to do things better. Most social justice movements are based on a mix of guilt, anger, compassion, and more that compels people to "do something about it." Another form of sublimination might be sports or even creative pursuits. The results of anger, properly applied, can be social improvement, self-improvement, maintained dignity, and creative output.

Sadness promotes attachment, strangely enough. To value one's attachment to someone or something or even a goal or ideal, one must know what it is like to have lost. In psychodynamic terms, the first emotional bond is with oneself; this is narcissism. At the egocentric state, one's own needs and desires are recognized. Emotional maturation expands the net of recognition to one's loved ones, family and friends, and then to the greater community and finally to humanity as a whole and even other forms of life. As one's love and compassion grow, more sophisticated mechanisms are needed to judge and assess one's own desires against the needs and rules of society, as well as a consideration of other individuals' situation. Narcissists fail to develop the empathy needed to incorporate others' needs into their thinking. Anyway, sadness results when something has been lost, usually by chance or forces beyond one's control, or through some failure to reach a goal or obtain/support an ideal. We grieve over a dead relative and miss the friend who has moved away. We feel guilty for having violated a personal ethic or a social more. We feel frustrated when we have repeatedly failed to reach our goals; this is where sadness blends into anger.

One might feel anger, sadness, fear, or some other emotions as a response to a certain event. Many factors are involved. If something was preventable and purposeful, we might feel anger. If something was an unavoidable circumstance that's part of life (e.g., death and illness), we might feel sad. If we feel a loss but also believe it was preventable, we may feel sad and angry at the same time. A person who has a highly assertive, even dominating, personality has a higher probability of feeling anger as the reaction, especially if they are narcissistic, with little if any emotional ties to others. One person might feel sad for the Iraqis, guilty to be a citizen of the country that invaded the Iraqis' country, angry at their government for not having deliberated and choosing a more peaceful option, and compassion for the situation the Iraqis are in; this person may realize that, despite the good Saddam Hussein's ouster can do, the disruption and threat to many thousands of Iraqi and American soldiers' lives may not be worth it when some other means could be found. Another person may have been treated fairly well all his life; he was popular in school and always followed the latest trends. He has come to identify himself with the established authorities and ways of doing things because it has served him well in the past. He is shocked that some people, his compatriots, might protest the war (and by implication the establishment that benefits him) and angry that the Iraqis are resisting the U.S.'s efforts to "help" that "pitiful" nation. He has rarely been disadvantaged in life and has found his naturally competitive temperament has led him to the success and happiness he desires; he reasons that the misfortune of others is their own fault because they did not compete hard enough to advance themselves, so he believes these less fortunate people should accept any help the successful throw at them graciously. He has had little reason to develop significant empathy for those much different from himself.

Happiness is another emotion that bonds us to others. When we feel happy around people, we grow to love them. Our understanding of them grows, as it does in sadness. When our loved ones become sad, we take on their sadness and are thus compelled to alleviate it to restore happiness.



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30 Jun 2005, 2:28 am

Emotions (i.e., neurochemicals) make THOUGHT possible. You cannot separate the two. Even when you think you aren't having any emotion at all, you still are.

I think it is a mistake to try to separate thoughts into categories such as Emotion and Logic when they are completely entwined and not two separate entities at all but an ill-defined spectrum. You cannot have one without the other. Logic does not exist without emotion.

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