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25 Jun 2019, 8:57 pm

I normally don't go to nationalist and right-wing channels as a rule for a balanced picture but, like thoughtful Marxists, the better quality ones lay down some pretty scathing criticisms of liberalism and they're worth considering - if not for liberalism's replacement at least for sorting out what constituent components might be in need of attention.

The channel curator is reading an article by Alain de Benoist from 1994, don't know what the title of it is but he seems to peg what we're going through square on and the overall thesis seems to be that pure economic and social liberalism, of the neo-liberal sort, is extremely centrifugal and 'gesellschaft' (social relations based on impersonal ties, as duty to a society or organization) as a replacement for 'gemeinschaft' (social relations between individuals, based on close personal and family ties; community) is ephemeral and can't hold. Further it seems like quite a persuasive argument can be made that we're seeing gesellschaft/gemeinschaft played as a zero-sum continuum right now.

This seems to tie in to Robert Putnam's Bowling Alone and give a suggestion as to why such a significant liquidation of social capital between the late 19th and early 21st century.

This channel had a few other posts a liked a lot as well, particularly Oswald Spenglar talking about the sorts of mentality people had toward having families, whether or whether not to have kids, when a civilization is in collapse and how much the very connection to life itself and the driven purpose to be a link in a lineage vanishes in what seems to be a mire of conveniences and distractions that tend to completely unravel human instincts.

Anyway the article and video (run-time: 24:08):


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26 Jun 2019, 1:00 am

the so called elitist globalists finally realize they were bever fit to rule the world in the first place .. one can be a successful professional and a philosophical fool at the same time..



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26 Jun 2019, 6:41 am

snook wrote:
the so called elitist globalists finally realize they were bever fit to rule the world in the first place .. one can be a successful professional and a philosophical fool at the same time..

The way I see it economic globalism of the sort we have was mostly an excuse for more return to shareholders. They argued, rightly, that the developing world could get a stimulus and that stimulus would help in several ways such as 1) significant decrease in starvation 2) decrease in tropical deforestation if there were better ways 3) less plastic pollution and the like (ie. robust environmental agencies) 4) potentially less violence and fewer shell states for terrorist cells to hide out and develop in. That's the side that works within the range of what they care about, OTOH the west and it's stability doesn't seem like it's something they'll care much about until they absolutely have to and I do worry that for as cushy as many of their gated community lifestyles might be they might indeed not see it until it's too late.

I think the most poignant issue right now - liberal economic competition in scarcity = dog eats dog and if that scarcity dips too far it becomes Hunger Games. You can't keep a civilization in that state for very long before it ceases to be a civilization.


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26 Jun 2019, 6:16 pm

hmm. but there wasn't actually much care taken in developing the developing nations, i.e., islamic terrorism (wahhabism) was invented in the late 19th century as a nationalist-religious reaction to western imperialism. The book "from the ruins of empire" by pankaj mishra compares it to national socialism in germany, which developed after germany had lost ww1 and found itself in the situation of a colony - subjugated by "the west".
the other reaction of course was communism.

the west throughout the 20th century has fostered all sorts of regimes as long as they would sell goods, mainly oil.
the congo is fully integrated into global markets, but hardly a state at all.

and: the superrich don't live in gated communities. they live in private jets and in London, forcing the local elite out, which in turn force the local middle class out etc. - it's the upper middle class in developing countries that lives in gated communities and tries to pretend they're in europe.

btw.: english-russian author peter pomerantsev, whose "nothing is true and everything is possible" I just finished (highly, highly recommended) calls this living in London, Moscow, Monaco, private jets etc. "living offshore"


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26 Jun 2019, 6:57 pm

shlaifu wrote:
hmm. but there wasn't actually much care taken in developing the developing nations, i.e., islamic terrorism (wahhabism) was invented in the late 19th century as a nationalist-religious reaction to western imperialism. The book "from the ruins of empire" by pankaj mishra compares it to national socialism in germany, which developed after germany had lost ww1 and found itself in the situation of a colony - subjugated by "the west".
the other reaction of course was communism.

the west throughout the 20th century has fostered all sorts of regimes as long as they would sell goods, mainly oil.
the congo is fully integrated into global markets, but hardly a state at all.

and: the superrich don't live in gated communities. they live in private jets and in London, forcing the local elite out, which in turn force the local middle class out etc. - it's the upper middle class in developing countries that lives in gated communities and tries to pretend they're in europe.

btw.: english-russian author peter pomerantsev, whose "nothing is true and everything is possible" I just finished (highly, highly recommended) calls this living in London, Moscow, Monaco, private jets etc. "living offshore"



But while the right laments about national identity and loss of religion and so on, I would like to ask: why not enforce tax laws? Crack down on tax havens, sanction Switzerland if necessary, and cut financial transactions to Panama. Just actually make use of the options.
I don't think it needs christianity for that - but I fear it might need some aggressive right wingers to do it, because everyone who's wotking within the current system is working within a system designed to protect the status quo.


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26 Jun 2019, 7:55 pm

I don't think it'll necessarily be aggressive right-wingers so much as whoever's at hand to act when the next 2008 crisis hits or when this system has sailed so far off the rails that it's suiting almost no one's interests, at which point it breaks from its human substrate and in cleaning up the resulting mess people will be paying enough attention finally to be willing to sort the thing out.

The trouble seems to be that nothing generally gets done unless disaster hits and we find ourselves in extraordinary times. It's bad, but at the same time this is what it takes to peel people away from their sitcoms, sports, and reality TV shows long enough for anything to get done.


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27 Jun 2019, 3:02 pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_lrrq_opng

Bent, yeah; but broke no; at least not where i live in the West. In Fact, i am rather Happy to have the Magic Password
of 'Jesus'; and to become part of any Group no matter how strange my Transient Hypo-Frontality Autotelic, 11,515 Miles
of Spiraling Public Dance in 70 Months may seem as i Flow easily in Zone, increasing my Creative Potential by 400 to 500 Percent; as most everyone else shuffles by with heads down into Buggies filled with stuff that may just fill up Two Car Garages with Huge Mortgages; more with Huge SUV's and Car Loans to carry all that stuff to Home and a Two Car Garage with no where to put the SUV as other 'stuff' rules the Roost. No; Western Civilization is far from Broke as Long as We Humans have the ability to live in Peace and Harmony; as i will still hear Real Bird Tweets in my Back Yard Rural Forest
in a Neighborhood where shouting matches and gun shot sounds with wounds never happen even though every House
With a Garage and a Four Wheel Drive outside of its home; is stocked High With Shot-Gun Potential to every potential
intruder's Great Dismay. This is Trump Country USA; a Place with A Bunch of People; most who are
just too tired to even talk at the End of the Day; so Faux News does the talking for them; they don't
bother me; and they really have no choice now but to learn to ignore me; and they do a great enough job for
me for them to stay bored; and for me to enjoy what Science Now identifies as A "Real Kundalini Rising" within
Mastered by the Relative Free Will of Bio-Feedback as Senses and Feelings always come first before words dark
through light now; as those Words do their best to reflect the Feelings and the Senses we Experience now within.

The Arrangement is perfect; the tradition is 'Jesus'; and i dance and sing free; the Global World is only a Finger
Tip away and the Big Ocean of God oN EartH is a big enough place to meekly inherit to find someone to virtually Dance and Sing with Free any Time Stamp of the Day or Night; as far as i can feel/sense and see these are the best of Dates in my Entire Life for what human being reality means at all in how we sense/feel up or down in the Eternal now that Never Ends until the Tides of our Senses and Feelings Recede out into Dark Lands Near AbySS AGAiN; smiles, i Master my place on the Mountain Top 'CRoWN'; and if 'the Jesus Natives' Get Restless i just say the Magic Word of 'Jesus' and All is Peaceful full of Grace it's as if they are becoming Hypnotized by "A Kiss of Jesus" a Powerful Word that name is that will be no different as A Thanks of being Hypnotized into Grace of Love Again; it's amazing; Entire Countenances
Now of Personality Changes immediately; 'Jesus' is Great, i don't care if he actually lived the Words
or not; the 'Symbol of Jesus; is a Mighty Placebo Edifice for Immediate Grace in Peace and
Harmony of 'Real Soul'; As Long as the 'name' of 'Jesus' lives as 'Symbol' where i live Peace and
Harmony Stays; if 'they' ever find a way to Destroy that symbol; more than likely this place will
become a Hell Hole for real now; much worse than folks just being depressed shuffling by missing
a Holy Spirit real that is only a Gospel Singing away Hand-Hand-Hand in Transient Autotelic Flow as even
Sam Harris Admits Happens at the Southern Baptist Little Close Knit Churches; Dolly Parton is correct "He's Alive"
all year long where i live; and those Bible Thumbing Christians will have even more of a 'Real Kiss of Jesus' without
even any opiate Drugs; if they just Flow in so many ways from first bLink to last Breath of day and night as born now
'till living death for real Always
Just being Human NoW
iN Flow in Love With All;
and if they wanna call that/this 'Jesus'
all more power to 'em as any Symbol
may House an Essence; but the Essence
is as Real as Existence feels and senses now.
Yeah; it's a bit sad Here too; i Dance in Heaven so
Close to them Yet further away than Eternity Now True
all they will do is imagine Heaven until they Dance And Sing
Steps and Words in
FLoW iN ZonE like me

and like

so many

Other Folks Globally Do, who truly live their given Human Potentials iN FLoW iN ZonE
Inheriting Now A Higher Force of Nature (God) come to be real just now Within to give
And share for free...


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