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I hate everything about the American Civil War. I hope I'm either long dead or living in a better country before the next one breaks out.
Yes, I'm a defeatist. 
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Kraichgauer
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16 Jul 2019, 1:48 am
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16 Jul 2019, 6:05 am
Kraichgauer wrote:
BaronHarkonnen85 wrote:
Blah, blah, blah.
It was a Proclamation required by state law.
Forrest's actual involvement in the Klan is unknown. He even left the organisation.
This is just one more thing for lefties to complain about.
It was a Proclamation required by state law.
Forrest's actual involvement in the Klan is unknown. He even left the organisation.
This is just one more thing for lefties to complain about.
We know Forest's involvement, as he was one of the primary founders of the terrorist group. He later left the Klan - - only after he saw that the KKK was completely over matched against the occupying Union forces when President Grant had outlawed the organization. In fact, Forrest demonstrated he had the power to disband the Klan, which means he was hardly an innocent little lamb with no terrorist ties.
Just WTF kind of law is that which establishes a day for not only a traitor, but a terrorist as well?
I'm not defending the KKK, but answer me this: Why do Yankees always look down on southerners as being "traitors" when this entire country was founded on treason? Americans were traitors to the British Empire.
So the original 13 colonies betraying Great Britain was somehow a just thing but the south betraying the USA was evil?
Also Sherman was not an innocent little lamb either. Don't make excuses for him.
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16 Jul 2019, 6:32 am
TheRevengeofTW1ZTY wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
BaronHarkonnen85 wrote:
Blah, blah, blah.
It was a Proclamation required by state law.
Forrest's actual involvement in the Klan is unknown. He even left the organisation.
This is just one more thing for lefties to complain about.
It was a Proclamation required by state law.
Forrest's actual involvement in the Klan is unknown. He even left the organisation.
This is just one more thing for lefties to complain about.
We know Forest's involvement, as he was one of the primary founders of the terrorist group. He later left the Klan - - only after he saw that the KKK was completely over matched against the occupying Union forces when President Grant had outlawed the organization. In fact, Forrest demonstrated he had the power to disband the Klan, which means he was hardly an innocent little lamb with no terrorist ties.
Just WTF kind of law is that which establishes a day for not only a traitor, but a terrorist as well?
I'm not defending the KKK, but answer me this: Why do Yankees always look down on southerners as being "traitors" when this entire country was founded on treason? Americans were traitors to the British Empire.
So the original 13 colonies betraying Great Britain was somehow a just thing but the south betraying the USA was evil?
Also Sherman was not an innocent little lamb either. Don't make excuses for him.
As a matter of fact, not all southerners were traitors by a long shot. There were a great fiercely Pro-Union men in the Confederacy who either went north to fight with the Union army, or who carried on guerrilla warfare against the Confederacy from within its borders (men such as Newton Knight who had formed an Anti-Confederate guerrilla group made up of Confederate deserters and escaped slaves). It's also true that the Confederacy had instituted a draft even before the Union did, in which southern men were forced to fight for the Confederacy even if they were against the whole idea. Small wonder that the Confederate army was plagued with desertion. So, no, I hardly look down on all southerners. In fact, it's the wealthy plantation owners who had started the war who I regard as the real traitors.
Sure, America was founded by traitors. Confederate traitors tried to tear the country apart. That's the difference.
No, Sherman was hardly a lamb. What he was was the world's first modern general, with all the coldblooded ruthlessness that implies when he was determined to win.
16 Jul 2019, 6:47 am
Kraichgauer wrote:
TheRevengeofTW1ZTY wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
BaronHarkonnen85 wrote:
Blah, blah, blah.
It was a Proclamation required by state law.
Forrest's actual involvement in the Klan is unknown. He even left the organisation.
This is just one more thing for lefties to complain about.
It was a Proclamation required by state law.
Forrest's actual involvement in the Klan is unknown. He even left the organisation.
This is just one more thing for lefties to complain about.
We know Forest's involvement, as he was one of the primary founders of the terrorist group. He later left the Klan - - only after he saw that the KKK was completely over matched against the occupying Union forces when President Grant had outlawed the organization. In fact, Forrest demonstrated he had the power to disband the Klan, which means he was hardly an innocent little lamb with no terrorist ties.
Just WTF kind of law is that which establishes a day for not only a traitor, but a terrorist as well?
I'm not defending the KKK, but answer me this: Why do Yankees always look down on southerners as being "traitors" when this entire country was founded on treason? Americans were traitors to the British Empire.
So the original 13 colonies betraying Great Britain was somehow a just thing but the south betraying the USA was evil?
Also Sherman was not an innocent little lamb either. Don't make excuses for him.
As a matter of fact, not all southerners were traitors by a long shot. There were a great fiercely Pro-Union men in the Confederacy who either went north to fight with the Union army, or who carried on guerrilla warfare against the Confederacy from within its borders (men such as Newton Knight who had formed an Anti-Confederate guerrilla group made up of Confederate deserters and escaped slaves). It's also true that the Confederacy had instituted a draft even before the Union did, in which southern men were forced to fight for the Confederacy even if they were against the whole idea. Small wonder that the Confederate army was plagued with desertion. So, no, I hardly look down on all southerners. In fact, it's the wealthy plantation owners who had started the war who I regard as the real traitors.
Sure, America was founded by traitors. Confederate traitors tried to tear the country apart. That's the difference.
No, Sherman was hardly a lamb. What he was was the world's first modern general, with all the coldblooded ruthlessness that implies when he was determined to win.
I really don't care that there were southerners who sided with the Union. My point is it's very ironic how the north looks down on the south calling us traitors when they were traitors too. It just goes to show the hypocrisy of this entire country.
Also there have been ruthless generals long before Sherman. Generals who thought nothing of slaughtering every man, woman, and child in every city they conquered just to win the war. Just like what happened with the city of Jericho in the bible.
Sherman was not the world's first ruthless general.
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16 Jul 2019, 7:00 am
TheRevengeofTW1ZTY wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
TheRevengeofTW1ZTY wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
BaronHarkonnen85 wrote:
Blah, blah, blah.
It was a Proclamation required by state law.
Forrest's actual involvement in the Klan is unknown. He even left the organisation.
This is just one more thing for lefties to complain about.
It was a Proclamation required by state law.
Forrest's actual involvement in the Klan is unknown. He even left the organisation.
This is just one more thing for lefties to complain about.
We know Forest's involvement, as he was one of the primary founders of the terrorist group. He later left the Klan - - only after he saw that the KKK was completely over matched against the occupying Union forces when President Grant had outlawed the organization. In fact, Forrest demonstrated he had the power to disband the Klan, which means he was hardly an innocent little lamb with no terrorist ties.
Just WTF kind of law is that which establishes a day for not only a traitor, but a terrorist as well?
I'm not defending the KKK, but answer me this: Why do Yankees always look down on southerners as being "traitors" when this entire country was founded on treason? Americans were traitors to the British Empire.
So the original 13 colonies betraying Great Britain was somehow a just thing but the south betraying the USA was evil?
Also Sherman was not an innocent little lamb either. Don't make excuses for him.
As a matter of fact, not all southerners were traitors by a long shot. There were a great fiercely Pro-Union men in the Confederacy who either went north to fight with the Union army, or who carried on guerrilla warfare against the Confederacy from within its borders (men such as Newton Knight who had formed an Anti-Confederate guerrilla group made up of Confederate deserters and escaped slaves). It's also true that the Confederacy had instituted a draft even before the Union did, in which southern men were forced to fight for the Confederacy even if they were against the whole idea. Small wonder that the Confederate army was plagued with desertion. So, no, I hardly look down on all southerners. In fact, it's the wealthy plantation owners who had started the war who I regard as the real traitors.
Sure, America was founded by traitors. Confederate traitors tried to tear the country apart. That's the difference.
No, Sherman was hardly a lamb. What he was was the world's first modern general, with all the coldblooded ruthlessness that implies when he was determined to win.
I really don't care that there were southerners who sided with the Union. My point is it's very ironic how the north looks down on the south calling us traitors when they were traitors too. It just goes to show the hypocrisy of this entire country.
Also there have been ruthless generals long before Sherman. Generals who thought nothing of slaughtering every man, woman, and child in every city they conquered just to win the war. Just like what happened with the city of Jericho in the bible.
Sherman was not the world's first ruthless general.
No, I said Sherman was the worlds first modern general, in that he understood the enemy's most important front is his home front, and that the way to victory is the destruction of his means of war production.
Sherman understood how making the enemy populace sick of war was also a means to victory, but if the truth be known, Sherman was responsible for more destruction of property than of loss of human life. Generals like Grant and Lee had killed more people.
Sorry, it's not my intention to jab my fingers into an open wound, but I can't see any other way to view the Confederate elite than to call them traitors.
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