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thinkinginpictures
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29 Jul 2019, 10:30 am

NT-society is CRAP-society!

You can't get into any group if you're already an out-group. That's how NT-societies works.

Examples:

If you're not part of a network of friends, you get no network of friends.

If you're not part of a network of artists/musicians, you get no network of artists/musicians.

If you've not held a citizenship from birth of both parents having the citizenship all the way back to early ancestors of your country, you're not one of the countrymen of your country (even though you hold a citizenship).

NT's care too much about groups and they hate everyone who's not in-group. And everyone in-group must conform to all sorts of ridiculous rules, and even when you follow the ridiculous NT-rules you're still not safely an in-group member.

I wish NT-societies gets replaced and the entire world will be ruled by ASPIES!



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29 Jul 2019, 10:39 am

thinkinginpictures wrote:
If you're not part of a network of friends, you get no network of friends.
Have you tried making friends with the other "rejects"?
thinkinginpictures wrote:
If you're not part of a network of artists/musicians, you get no network of artists/musicians.
Have you tried making a network with the other "rejected" artists/musicians?
thinkinginpictures wrote:
If you've not held a citizenship from birth of both parents having the citizenship all the way back to early ancestors of your country, you're not one of the countrymen of your country (even though you hold a citizenship).
Have you tried simply ignoring the haters?
thinkinginpictures wrote:
NT's care too much about groups and they hate everyone who's not in-group. And everyone in-group must conform to all sorts of ridiculous rules, and even when you follow the ridiculous NT-rules you're still not safely an in-group member. I wish NT-societies gets eradicated and the entire world will be ruled by ASPIES!
A word of caution here: NT-Bashing could get you in trouble with the moderators. You may want to dial it back a little.


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29 Jul 2019, 10:43 am

Fnord wrote:
thinkinginpictures wrote:
If you're not part of a network of friends, you get no network of friends.
Have you tried making friends with the other "rejects"?
thinkinginpictures wrote:
If you're not part of a network of artists/musicians, you get no network of artists/musicians.
Have you tried making a network with the other "rejected" artists/musicians?
thinkinginpictures wrote:
If you've not held a citizenship from birth of both parents having the citizenship all the way back to early ancestors of your country, you're not one of the countrymen of your country (even though you hold a citizenship).
Have you tried simply ignoring the haters?
thinkinginpictures wrote:
NT's care too much about groups and they hate everyone who's not in-group. And everyone in-group must conform to all sorts of ridiculous rules, and even when you follow the ridiculous NT-rules you're still not safely an in-group member. I wish NT-societies gets eradicated and the entire world will be ruled by ASPIES!
A word of caution here: NT-Bashing could get you in trouble with the moderators. You may want to dial it back a little.


Sorry, I meant "replaced" (not eradicated, at least not literally eradicate/exterminate anyone).

I just wish that aspies had more a say in this world, instead of being a minority with only minority rights.



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29 Jul 2019, 10:52 am

Fnord wrote:
thinkinginpictures wrote:
If you've not held a citizenship from birth of both parents having the citizenship all the way back to early ancestors of your country, you're not one of the countrymen of your country (even though you hold a citizenship).
Have you tried simply ignoring the haters?


- and just for the record: I, myself do hold a citizenship all the way back to my early ancestors. But I'm sick and tired of all the racists in my country.

I hate racists and other ultra right-wingers, and I think there are more racists and ultra right-wingers in NT-communities than in aspie-communities but I have no sources to prove this.

And I did not mean to break any rules of this forum. I'm sorry if I did. I respect NT's who are nice.



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29 Jul 2019, 6:15 pm

Some cities are more diverse than others

You could move to a diverse city

But autistics are in the minority

Majority rules



United States is also an extroverts country


Getting jobs and friends are much easier for extroverts than introverts



It is not "discrimination"

It is just

Survival of the fittest



Living is easier for people that are not blind, than blind


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30 Jul 2019, 10:03 pm

100-105 IQ and extroverted seems to be the sweet spot.

Too much above that and you have trouble forming relationships (add introversion and it's exponentiated), people won't be able to understand much of what you do, and you'll have to bite your tongue and not be yourself in public and yes - it won't just be grating, you'll realize that you can easily flush your social life and needs down the drain indefinitely to convenience other people and about all that's offered in exchange is your relative protection from chastisement for not stepping out of line.


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31 Jul 2019, 4:15 am

It seems to me that you are focusing on certain types of people and thinking everyone is like them. It is easy to see the ones who stand out and overlook the ones who do not.



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31 Jul 2019, 5:00 am

techstepgenr8tion wrote:
100-105 IQ and extroverted seems to be the sweet spot.

Too much above that and you have trouble forming relationships (add introversion and it's exponentiated), people won't be able to understand much of what you do, and you'll have to bite your tongue and not be yourself in public and yes - it won't just be grating, you'll realize that you can easily flush your social life and needs down the drain indefinitely to convenience other people and about all that's offered in exchange is your relative protection from chastisement for not stepping out of line.


Good observation.


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01 Aug 2019, 10:13 am

I’m neurotypical and an enthusiastic Trump supporter. I no longer have any friends. I used to be pretty popular.

I’ve been more and more “myself” over the years, which really isn’t the thing to do. But it seems like too much of an effort to do otherwise anymore.

I’m also an atheist, when I had friends they were mostly gay, I’ve had a lot of autistic family members, co-workers, and some bosses/mentors, and I worked directly with refugees for a few years. Oh and I’m a tee-totaler. I haven’t drank for a few years, but I’ve always been strongly anti-drug, and let me tell you-that really puts you on the outside.

At the beginning, in 2016, I would just not mention my support for Donald Trump. But now, it’s just not worth it. People inject their thoughts into conversation all the time, so I’m made aware that they don’t like the president, or “people like me”.

Yes I know there are people who walk around mad and would be mad at me if they knew. But I’m not the kind of person you think I am. There isn’t this big club of united bad guys trying to oppress the good guys. It’s all just individuals who are more alike than different, even if it may not seem that way.



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01 Aug 2019, 10:22 am

Tribalism is fundamental to the human condition. If you are a member of one tribe it is a struggle and challenge to integrate into another. You therefore have a choice to either be satisfied with the tribe that you are in, or find a tribe that will accept you as you are. There is no reason for anger or hate as tribalism is innate to each and every one of us.


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01 Aug 2019, 1:49 pm

SocOfAutism wrote:
IOh and I’m a tee-totaler. I haven’t drank for a few years, but I’ve always been strongly anti-drug, and let me tell you-that really puts you on the outside.


There are many in this world who will insist you share their vices.


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01 Aug 2019, 2:34 pm

Popularity is overrated in my opinion. Although popularity does often equate to success in many areas of life.
Even where credentials and experience are absent.

Lack of popularity also often equates to lack of success in many areas of life and that can be despite a persons credentials and experience.

Business, for example, is often created through a network of human relationships.
People with Autism are generally not particularly well equipped to succeed in business due to deficits in:
communication
limited capacity to deal with stress
poor conflict management skills
not team players
tendency for rigid thinking
(for some) tendency to adhere to moral code

Where as sociopaths are often successful in business and becoming popular, as they have a sophisticated combination of skills that combine good communication skills, with advanced psychological manipulation skills with an amoral outlook that helps them manipulate the people and the world around them for their own advantages.

Us Aspies need managers to help us interface with the world.
Especially any Aspies with developed skills in their special areas of interest.

This would really work for some of us who are super studious and skilled, but who do not lie, slander, steal, manipulate.
In some areas we could be successful, for example, music producing, producing library music. If we can only get connected and then keep our part of the bargain.

nonetheless
We are a different species of being from what i can work out.



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01 Aug 2019, 2:38 pm

Just out of interest.
If you live in the US and you are interested. You may be eligible to attend Sweetwater Spectrum Housing, that appears to provide high quality specialised housing and community for people with ASD, but also some form of community college.

Might be fun, at least you would meet people who have the same problems as you and be able to hang out.
sweetwater spectrum living



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01 Aug 2019, 2:40 pm

I hate tribalism even in its less aggressive forms, but there are allistic/NT people out there not afflicted with it... I've met quite a few myself.

On a side note, along the years there have been quite a few people here describing the "ideal aspie society" they would want to built and it scared the living poop out of me every time! It kind of put things in perspective for me...


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01 Aug 2019, 3:22 pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fKopy74weus

Humans Are Evolved for most of their Existence in Egalitarian Leaning Groups of 30 to 40; Sexually Liberal
Mostly, if Not all the Way Naked; Upright Walking Apes; Where Each and Every Member of the Tribe is Integral
to the Entire Existence of the Tribe; Foraging Together Protecting Each other Together Together Together
Unity Without Division is the Name of the Game to Exist at all. Oh By the Way, The Child is a Greatest Prize
of the Village; as without Children Good Bye Eventual Survival of the Nomadic Moving Group of 30 to
40 Upright Walking Homo Sapiens Sapiens; Keeping each other close company in Cold Nights with
The Warmth of their body; Where everyone is really Good Friends; doesn't matter who the Father
or the Mother of the Child is that Much as the Entire Village Raises the Child. American Indians
Lived this Way; and When 'the White Man' Was Kidnapped in our earlier American Days And
Rescued the 'White Man' wanted to Go Back as he Felt more like 'Norm' off the 'Cheers' Show for Real.

Given these Anthropological Musings From Our Past; and the Fact that if You Look Just Back to Last
Century Everyone Wore Suit Jackets/Ties/Dresses in the Middle of the Summer to Work; This isn't exactly the worst
period In Human History to Be Different, to Be Strange; Yes, by God To Be Autistic too and have Difficulties with Reciprocal
Social Communication, particularly in a Non-Verbal Way; and Be Glued to whatever You Wanna Do Repetitively too As
Special Interest Day in Day Out and at Night time too; An excellent Work Around Would Be a Computer; but wait now
An Entire Society Based on a Box to Communicate; what a Prize for folks Who are on Any Broader Autism Phenotype
For Surprise it really shouldn't Be by Now; 'the Nerds' Already Won and have gotten their 'Revenge; Even Social Reciprocal Communication is Systemized Down now to Just Buttons of Likes and Shares with just a Few Emoticons to Go With that; Forget about any Face to Face Non-Verbal Communication; You don't even have to meet 140 Characters on Twitter and You Can go up to 240 Characters if you are feeling somewhat Extraverted; and true too as far as ADHD Goes
Science Assesses the Average Human Being with Less than the Attention of a Literal Gold Fish; As Far as
Systemizing Nature Versus Social Empathy Nature, Studies show in the last Several Decades, Measures of
Empathy Among College Age adults are Reduced 30 Percent or So since the 'Rise of the Machines'
Per Information Technology.

Actually, it's the opposite way around now too; Bowling Alone is not much fun for Extraverts
And Social Empaths on the other End of the (AQ) Autism Quotient Test Scan For Autistic Attributes either.

The Average Human Being has not made a New Friend in 5 Years, according to Recent Study on the Growing
Autistic Leaning Attributes of Society, in General; as Hey even Machines are sweeping up the Floors at Walmart Now
Navigated Robots by Program they are replacing so-called Neurotypicals With Brooms too; So many other examples...

As far as i am Concerned This is the Best Period of History Ever to be an Introvert or Autistic Person Same.

But True, i have a Reference Point to the past where everyone looked way more the same and did not get to
do their own thing; Information Technology is an Introvert's Paradise compared to Having to Socialize at a
Bowling Center Day in Day out as yes; even with 3 College Degrees and Never Learning how to Bowl as
'the Renaissance Dude' i've come to be now; i Managed a Military Bowling Center for almost 2 Decades; i moved
up to Athletic Director of the Military Installation and then suffered a really horrifying bout of 'Autism Spectrum
Burn-out' as yes the only reason they picked me for the Job was for my Financial Management and Computer
Skills; as it's true if not for Computers coming to the World of Bowling; i would have never even got my First
Job as the so-called 'Jock Neurotypicals' had no Clue of how to Systemize Bowling or Life With Computers.

i had one Computer Class in College; i was their Dream come True for that Close to Minimum Wage Job for the
Government that eventually ended up in a Well Paid Golden Hand-Cuffs Retirement i am enjoying today after getting
the Benefit of Early Retiring Disabled with 19 Medical Disorders from Chronic Social Stress at work for the last
11 years; culminating in Fight or Flight Acute Stress the Last 2 years of that; i was the last kid picked in Sports Teams;
a Square Peg in a Round Hole going down down down slowly but hey with Golden Hand Cuffs for Retirement then
what ya Gonna do when you are just a few years away from Lifetime Bucks for everything even Health Care
for Your Wife who has Epilepsy too. It took 66 Months of my Life to Recover; but after Enjoying whatever the
Hell i care to do for the Last 6 Years in 'Heaven', since July of 2013; i have no complaints at all; How could i...

Strangely enough, since i write Free Verse Poetry now for the Last 6 Years Measuring a 7.1 Million Word Long Form
Poem; Longest one in the History of Humankind by the way as Second Place goes to the Minuscule Effort of the
"Mahābhārata" that took an Innumerable Numbers of Indians to complete those 1.8 Million Words over
Centuries then. True, my Effort is 9 Times Greater than the Old King James Centuries Effort too with Innumerable
Authors too; as Yes it is a Personal Bible too. Advantage Goes to Revenge of the Nerds again i win for i have
Mastered technology and technology does not Master me.

in other Words, i do more than 240 Characters; i'm Still Evolving i am not falling falling falling into Mediocrity as that's
Just about all that is Left of so-called Neurotypical Bowling League Life; doing no more than the Rules Already Provided.

The Hell With Ballet Company Productions and Martial Arts Classes and Sparring With Frigging Human Beings; I've Developed a way to Do Both in a Public Dance for in the same 71 Months it took me to Write that 7.1 MiLLioN Word
Long Form Bible Poem for 11,700 Miles of Mixed Martial Arts and Ballet Free Style; True though, i Live in the most difficult
Place Assessed to Be Different in the Trump Colored Red Panhandle of Florida; that brings additional 'norm' challenges.

The Easy Work-around to get through all the 'good 'ole boys off the Farm' in my Nut-Cracker Sweet of Floating
Twinkle Toe Feats was simply getting stronger than the Strongest Dude on the Florida State Football Team
Back when Dan Kendra Leg Pressed 1335 Pounds one Rep and bursted a Blood Vessel in His eye. I do 1340
Pounds at 90 Degrees for 12 Reps in 100 Seconds on YouTube as when and if anybody gives me any Flack
while Dancing Free Ballet now at 240 LBS of Dude myself; a lightening quick Martial Arts Kick just for show
a quarter of an inch a way from any Clothing Apparel Rack in Walmart along with the Video Spreads the
continuing Legend of me as true just a Year into doing Public Dance; the only one to do it within 500 Miles;
People come up to me all the time still and say hey do you know you are famous; a legend; a hero; the lists goes
on as that is also documented in a Viral Video someone else took in the Comments Section in case ya need proof;
anyone who is reading this now. Let's Keep in mind that i was viewed as the Weakest Fish in the Aquarium
when i was young and could not speak until age 4.

There are a lot of other things like over 2000 Selfies with Beautiful Women Dancing now my 273rd Week
at 59 Years Old with all the 'Beautiful College Age Folks' At the Metro Dance Hall where now for two weeks
in a row i have had to Show my ID to Prove i am almost 60 Years Old and Not somewhere around Dad age
at 40 instead of Grandpa Fred. And Yes, where i once was a bit timid to get down to my Underwear at the
Gym at School; i've been doing Nude art for the last 6 Years too; of course where allowed and appropriate
with Adult Caution all Legal as such of too.

It is worth Noting than among the Clients of Hans Asperger's during His study of those Children During
the era of World War II; trying to Prove the viability of their continued existence to avoid extermination then
that those Children were studied later in life and many of them found Niches that worked for them and by then
they were actually ahead of the accomplishments of the Associated Peer Group of Adults their Age.

The Niches Are available now more than Ever; it's Just a matter of finding them; doing Your thing; and
just not worrying about how other folks do their Life. Anyway, The World is becoming 'More Autistic' Day
By Day. Bowling Alone is the New Rage and do Your Own Thing and Just Do You.

As far as i am concerned
This is Autistic Heaven and Strangely
Enough now that i get to do all of me; i score
an 11 on the AQ Quiz (my Sister is Diagnosed too) since the days when i visited
this 'Wrong Planet' and scored a 45. The Environment now makes a Big Difference;
i used to score in the Mid 50's on the Emotional Intelligence Test; and yes, score mid-
90's now too; sure, used to do INTJ Personality and do ENFP now too; The Women have
never been more interested in me as the Record Does Show; if life gets any better they'll
have to come up with a Better Word than Heaven and considering i've written the Longest Bible that may
just
end up
being me
for now at least.
What Works for me
is Loving myself; if other
Folks don't like it just see
if they will find a way to Love themselves more;
when they do they will not have time to worry anything i do.

It's already Happened.

One Word;

i Win; Success;

Love; i Love This Life; It's Even Worth Dying for now for Real;
i rarely have any desire to worry about anything anyone else
is doing; just don't have any time to do that really;
too busy enjoying Life Now; to do that much at all.

i had Type Two Trigeminal Neuralgia; Assessed as the worst Pain
Known to Humankind from Wake to Sleep as a Shut-in in my Bedroom;
A Pain Actually Assessed as Worse than Crucifixion that no Drug would touch
like a Dentist Drill in my Right Eye and Ear. Let's Put it this way if the Crucifixion
Story of Jesus seems like a Breeze to me just 3 Hours to 3 days shorter than my 66 Months....
i figure almost
anyone will do more
than me if they just get
motivated enough to do it.

Pain made me everything i am today.

The Bullies made me everything i am today.

i didn't give up that is all that Saved me today.

Bottom Line Don't Give up; make Every Step and Every Word Dance and
Song; Make Life Magic; Magic Is real When you Make it Happen as it really
comes true; you document it; and you prove it is real; i carry the Evidence Every Where i go on a 6 inch Screen too;
Just in Case Folks Don't Believe my Forrest Gump Story at the Bus stops of Life in Trump Town USA; All Red As Such.

Sorry (not really) if this is kinda long; but i am so much more epic than a Twitter World; or a Gnat at my toe; never the less
the Gnat is real too; no different as less Integral than less than a Grain of Sand that Holds up a Mountain of Human Love.

Different Wins it Always Does;
In the Longest Run Different Is.


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