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10 Aug 2019, 9:45 am

Here in Brazil a famous university (USP) did a research and "demonstrated" that aspies are unable to understand the concept of death. To show that this university does not know what it is talking about, tell us here how you understand death.

Link to the article: http://www.usp.br/agen/?p=70469


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10 Aug 2019, 10:07 am

First off, the study tested 19 year olds. In my personal experience and education, with all due respect for teenagers, 19 year olds are not fully mature and in general don't understand many things about life. It is not a criticism. The developmental process goes on throughout life and there are some major changes even between 19 and, say, 30.

Second, the study stated that people with aspergers are not able to solve problems.

"people on the autism spectrum tend to solve problems only by repeating acts or through objective attitudes, as they cannot devise viable strategies for solving them."

I have been devising viable strategies for solving problems my entire life. As most of you know, we are always presented with new situations and struggle to overcome barriers others can't even see.

Finally, I do think I understand death, perhaps better than NTs. This is based on years of working as a hospice nurse providing symptom management to people who are dying and emotional support and education to the family. I have held a hand as the life force left the body. I have handled dead bodies. I have had deep conversations with people who know they are dying. When I work with the families, I am stunned by how little they comprehend what is happening


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10 Aug 2019, 10:48 am

It's basically saying that NTs are able to put themselves in the shoes of someone experiencing something they haven't experienced, but then if they are supposed to be able to do this then WHY THE f**k CAN'T MOST NTS PUT THEMSELVES IN THE SHOES OF AUTISTIC PEOPLE???! !! ! WHY THE f**k IS IT ALWAYS US AUTISTICS WHO GET THE BLAME FOR LACKING EMPATHY EVEN THOUGH WE GET BULLIED, REJECTED, CRITICISED, ETC, BY NT PEOPLE SIMPLY BECAUSE THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT IT'S ACTUALLY LIKE TO BE IN OUR SHOES??

And another thing, it is a well known fact that humans typically are afraid of death because they don't fully understand what it feels like to be dead.


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10 Aug 2019, 12:18 pm

I wonder for what reason are they doing these researches? To demonstrate how empathetic they are i guess..not! It certainly doesn't help autistics in any way.
I have no problem understanding death, i think about it a lot too. Even when i was a 6 yo child and my grandma died i understood the concept of death, that she wouldn't be coming back. That said, i do believe in afterlife like a lot of nt people too.



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10 Aug 2019, 12:29 pm

If our suicide rate is so high, twice as much if we're female, then I think we really do understand death. :roll:

I understand how permanent death is. When you're dead, you're dead. It's like you never lived to begin with.
Of course, you can metaphorically live on in the memories of other people and things while alive, but what does that matter to us when we're no longer around ourselves? And what if no one is around remember us or care about the things we did?

Sometimes when I'm really feeling low, I think about how I could just walk in front of a moving vehicle or something like that. But then I remember how devastated my family members would be and because of what I just wrote above. Also with my luck I'd survive but my body would be so badly damaged that things would be even worse than before.



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10 Aug 2019, 12:54 pm

After decades of hearing what "experts" say, I am surprised that anyone still takes them seriously.

Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, - Romans 1:22



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10 Aug 2019, 2:13 pm

We understand death very well. We understand it just as they do. I looked at the article. I am glad it's in Portuguese and that I can't understand it. That is probably best. I think I would get very angry if I could actually read it.


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10 Aug 2019, 2:16 pm

timf wrote:
After decades of hearing what "experts" say, I am surprised that anyone still takes them seriously.

Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, - Romans 1:22
Amen to that!


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10 Aug 2019, 2:18 pm

Joe90 wrote:
It's basically saying that NTs are able to put themselves in the shoes of someone experiencing something they haven't experienced, but then if they are supposed to be able to do this then WHY THE f**k CAN'T MOST NTS PUT THEMSELVES IN THE SHOES OF AUTISTIC PEOPLE???! ! ! ! WHY THE f**k IS IT ALWAYS US AUTISTICS WHO GET THE BLAME FOR LACKING EMPATHY EVEN THOUGH WE GET BULLIED, REJECTED, CRITICISED, ETC, BY NT PEOPLE SIMPLY BECAUSE THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT IT'S ACTUALLY LIKE TO BE IN OUR SHOES??

And another thing, it is a well known fact that humans typically are afraid of death because they don't fully understand what it feels like to be dead.
They can't put themselves in other peoples' shoes because they are too busy putting themselves up their own butts!


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10 Aug 2019, 2:34 pm

It is my belief that most people, AS or NT, are unable to understand death - and that is why they've hung on to the idea of "afterlife." Think about not existing - you can't even start to think about it without viewing it from at least a third person viewpoint with the third person being you, still sentient in some form. It's a paradox, and almost impossible to get through your head.

As for the mechanics of the process, I've seen it three times - most recently with my late wife exactly two years ago. I recognized it and warned the doctors 10 days before that she only had a week to live, but it was heart failure and nothing they could do. Sometimes it's not good to have AS and be so detail oriented.


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10 Aug 2019, 2:40 pm

So sorry for the loss of your wife.

In the past five years, I have lost about twelve loved ones. And we have lost a couple of babies in the family as well. I find the deaths of loved ones excruciatingly painful and I never get over them. Even the deaths of my pets were excruciating.


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10 Aug 2019, 2:56 pm

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It is my belief that most people, AS or NT, are unable to understand death - and that is why they've hung on to the idea of "afterlife." Think about not existing - you can't even start to think about it without viewing it from at least a third person viewpoint with the third person being you, still sentient in some form. It's a paradox, and almost impossible to get through your head.


Exactly. It's a natural thing to not completely understand what being dead 'feels' like to an alive human being. You're right, it is a paradox in some way.

I just hate it when these 'experts' decide on a completely normal or natural human thought, intention or emotion and do some pointless study on it, then go "ha ha, this proves we have empathy and Aspies don't, and you can't argue 'cos here's a study!"

I'm not saying NTs don't have empathy, but I wish they'd stop rubbing it in our faces.


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10 Aug 2019, 3:00 pm

Joe90 wrote:
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It is my belief that most people, AS or NT, are unable to understand death - and that is why they've hung on to the idea of "afterlife." Think about not existing - you can't even start to think about it without viewing it from at least a third person viewpoint with the third person being you, still sentient in some form. It's a paradox, and almost impossible to get through your head.


Exactly. It's a natural thing to not completely understand what being dead 'feels' like to an alive human being. You're right, it is a paradox in some way.

I just hate it when these 'experts' decide on a completely normal or natural human thought, intention or emotion and do some pointless study on it, then go "ha ha, this proves we have empathy and Aspies don't, and you can't argue 'cos here's a study!"

I'm not saying NTs don't have empathy, but I wish they'd stop rubbing it in our faces.

Funny about the whole thing about using "studies" to try to prove a point that everyone knows is ridiculous. We see right through that.


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24 Aug 2019, 8:00 pm

I understood death when my paternal grandfather died when I was ten. I understood it when both of my grandmothers died when I was 15. I even understood it when my distant aunt died when I was six. I understood it at 19 when my maternal grandfather died (2 months from my 20th birthday). If you can think, you can understand death.