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06 Sep 2019, 11:55 am

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Bill intented to block no deal Brexit becomes law after being passed by House of Lords.It was passed without amendments so it does not need to go back to commons.

The Guardian


Great stuff.

Still plenty of things could happen around a GE, VoNC etc to mean that law doesn't end up applying. All to play for! :lol:



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06 Sep 2019, 12:18 pm

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May was the one who stopped us leaving the EU.


The ERG had the numbers to get us out in MV3 but chose to side with Corbyn and vote against their own party


May's capitulation treaty wasn't getting us out.


It wasn't getting us out on the terms you prefer, but we would have no longer been members of the European Union, that is a fact.


The Custom's Union is along with the Single Market the main body of the EU. It kept us in the Custom's Union forever, didn't deal with freedom of movement or the ECHR. So no, it was staying in the EU without the membership. Really not difficult to understand. To make out the people who were the biggest supporters of Brexit were voting against it cause they didn't want to leave the EU is absurd.


You can keep twisting and turning all you like, but May's Withdrawal Agreement left us, after the transition period, as no longer being member of the European Union. That is a fact that cannot be denied.

The challenge is then to fix the backstop with alternative arrangements, which the arch leavers say can be done very simply.


As i thought, you don't understand the issue at all or are intentionally trolling. The deal keeps us tied to the EU forever even without the phony backstop. Anyone who wants us tied to the EU forever is not an 'arch leaver'. An arch leaver wants to leave the EU and all its institutions and rules and wants a free trade deal with them or the US. I haven't got the time for any more of your games though.


You do this everytime you paint yourself into a corner on here. People are allowed different opinions, people are allowed to disagree with each other, we are all very different with different likes and dislikes, and that is all absolutely fine, life's rich tapestry and all that. Just because someone holds a different opinion to you means you tell then they are wrong, dont understand it as well as you and then you try and make out like their opinion should not even count as you have announced it as a 'game'.

We are all different, it's part of what makes life great.


People are allowed their own opinions just not their own facts. I'm gonna challenge people who parrot establishment propaganda every single time.


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06 Sep 2019, 12:22 pm

Biscuitman wrote:
vermontsavant wrote:
Bill intented to block no deal Brexit becomes law after being passed by House of Lords.It was passed without amendments so it does not need to go back to commons.

The Guardian


Great stuff.

Still plenty of things could happen around a GE, VoNC etc to mean that law doesn't end up applying. All to play for! :lol:
Things are at the point where things are so crazy it might be warranted for the Queen to intercede,there's an unwritten rule that she doesn't use her power, but she can.


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06 Sep 2019, 12:24 pm

And it's not my 'opinion' that the May treaty keeps us tied to the EU forever, it's a fact. And it does so without the backstop.


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06 Sep 2019, 12:55 pm

I am glad you have chosen to amend your statement from 'wasnt getting us out' to 'keeps us tied to'.

There are certainly parts of EU agreements that we will want, and need, to be involved in after Brexit.



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06 Sep 2019, 4:24 pm

Biscuitman wrote:
I am glad you have chosen to amend your statement from 'wasnt getting us out' to 'keeps us tied to'.

There are certainly parts of EU agreements that we will want, and need, to be involved in after Brexit.
He has changed his language concerning Theresa May quite a bit over the last page or so. Its a bit confusing to debate when your not sure the viewpoint your debating.

I also agree "keeps us tied" is more sensable language.Although its my personal belief that it was against her own private feelings.Theresa May tried her best to bring about brexit because she believed in what the people wanted in there referendum mandate


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06 Sep 2019, 7:41 pm

...Out of curiosity, are there any UK posters on WP who are against Brexit, were/are Remainers, want to stay in the EU? As I've said, it seems that all, or almost all, a Brit WPers who've commented on it are weavers - and and Brexit, though it won the refefendem, won rather narrowly.
So Aspies especially tend to.like Brexit? 8O. Is it :? the " Leave Me Alone! " factor? :lol: Or are they all Daily Mail subscribers :P ?


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06 Sep 2019, 8:03 pm

I voted Remain . I can fully accept that a small majority of voters wanted us to leave . What I can't accept is the idiot squad that's hell bent on leaving with no deal .



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07 Sep 2019, 1:35 am

Yeah that^. I voted remain but the voted to leave. We were promised a whole host of things for voting to leave so we should be focused on finding a way of delivering on the promises.



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07 Sep 2019, 5:22 am

Boris Johnson's brexit options are so bad that he might have to call a no confidence vote on himself.The prime minister has been cornered by his own missteps and parliamentary defeats.He still is insisting on taking the UK out of the EU by 10-31 with or without a deal.

But his negotiations with the EU seem more or less dead and parliament passed a bill that requires him to ask the EU for an extention if no deal is reached.

see full article on CNN WORLD


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07 Sep 2019, 5:44 am

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I voted Remain . I can fully accept that a small majority of voters wanted us to leave . What I can't accept is the idiot squad that's hell bent on leaving with no deal .


My position entirely.

... just had our former Tory MP knocking on the door. We are obviously in a three-way swing seat here, so they've started canvassing early.


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07 Sep 2019, 1:39 pm

Keep us tied to/keeps us in. I have said both for months. As I said before it virtually keeps us in. Leaving without a deal is the only way of leaving.


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07 Sep 2019, 2:25 pm

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Keep us tied to/keeps us in. I have said both for months. As I said before it virtually keeps us in. Leaving without a deal is the only way of leaving.
So now your for a no deal brexit.Didnt you earlier compliment Theresa May for stopping brexit,then you called her a pathalogical liar.I am getting very confused,I cant figure out your position


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07 Sep 2019, 2:59 pm

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Keep us tied to/keeps us in. I have said both for months. As I said before it virtually keeps us in. Leaving without a deal is the only way of leaving.
So now your for a no deal brexit.Didnt you earlier compliment Theresa May for stopping brexit,then you called her a pathalogical liar.I am getting very confused,I cant figure out your position


You being confused has nothing to do with me. Where did I ever say I was against no deal? A 'no deal brexit' is brexit. Theresa may's treaty was remaining in the EU without the name. May did stop us leaving on the 29tth of March.


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07 Sep 2019, 3:07 pm

https://eurasiafuture.com/2019/09/06/an ... of-brexit/


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07 Sep 2019, 4:09 pm

JohnPowell wrote:
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Keep us tied to/keeps us in. I have said both for months. As I said before it virtually keeps us in. Leaving without a deal is the only way of leaving.
So now your for a no deal brexit.Didnt you earlier compliment Theresa May for stopping brexit,then you called her a pathalogical liar.I am getting very confused,I cant figure out your position


You being confused has nothing to do with me. Where did I ever say I was against no deal? A 'no deal brexit' is brexit. Theresa may's treaty was remaining in the EU without the name. May did stop us leaving on the 29tth of March.
it sounded like you were complimenting May


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