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06 Sep 2019, 8:10 am

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May was the one who stopped us leaving the EU.
But not because she wanted to


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06 Sep 2019, 9:07 am

UK opposition parties have agreed not to back Johnsons demand for a general election before the EU summit in mid october.

Labour,the Libdems,the snp,and Plaid Cymru will vote against or abstain on monday's vote on whether to hold a snap poll


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06 Sep 2019, 9:43 am

Johnson can just submit a One Line Bill which changes the 2/3 needed to get the GE into just a majority needed. But would he even get those numbers? and it would also show him up as being utterly desperate for a GE and not being able to point the finger elsewhere but when has that ever bothered him! :lol: )

a One Line Bill is amendable btw, which then can make it a dangerous option for him



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06 Sep 2019, 10:51 am

Biscuitman wrote:
JohnPowell wrote:
Biscuitman wrote:
JohnPowell wrote:
Biscuitman wrote:
JohnPowell wrote:
May was the one who stopped us leaving the EU.


The ERG had the numbers to get us out in MV3 but chose to side with Corbyn and vote against their own party


May's capitulation treaty wasn't getting us out.


It wasn't getting us out on the terms you prefer, but we would have no longer been members of the European Union, that is a fact.


The Custom's Union is along with the Single Market the main body of the EU. It kept us in the Custom's Union forever, didn't deal with freedom of movement or the ECHR. So no, it was staying in the EU without the membership. Really not difficult to understand. To make out the people who were the biggest supporters of Brexit were voting against it cause they didn't want to leave the EU is absurd.


You can keep twisting and turning all you like, but May's Withdrawal Agreement left us, after the transition period, as no longer being member of the European Union. That is a fact that cannot be denied.

The challenge is then to fix the backstop with alternative arrangements, which the arch leavers say can be done very simply.


As i thought, you don't understand the issue at all or are intentionally trolling. The deal keeps us tied to the EU forever even without the phony backstop. Anyone who wants us tied to the EU forever is not an 'arch leaver'. An arch leaver wants to leave the EU and all its institutions and rules and wants a free trade deal with them or the US. I haven't got the time for any more of your games though.


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06 Sep 2019, 10:53 am

vermontsavant wrote:
JohnPowell wrote:
May was the one who stopped us leaving the EU.
But not because she wanted to


:roll: She campaigned and voted to stay in the EU. She never mentioned leaving without a deal in EU negotiations. She brought back a horrific deal that kept us tied to the EU forever. What the hell are you talking about?? Is this the tripe CNN has been telling you?


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06 Sep 2019, 10:55 am

The PM of Finland, which holds the EU's rotating presidency,said friday there will be no new negotiations over the UK's exit agreement from the bloc.

We are not going to open this agreement we negotiated between UK and the EU.Said PM Antti Rinne at a conference in Helsinki.

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06 Sep 2019, 11:00 am

JohnPowell wrote:
vermontsavant wrote:
JohnPowell wrote:
May was the one who stopped us leaving the EU.
But not because she wanted to


:roll: She campaigned and voted to stay in the EU. She never mentioned leaving without a deal in EU negotiations. She brought back a horrific deal that kept us tied to the EU forever. What the hell are you talking about?? Is this the tripe CNN has been telling you?
Her deal to leave the EU may have been unacceptable but she did campaign for a pro brexit position.Who knows maybe she made her leave deal unacceptable on purpose,not the first time thats been done in politics


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06 Sep 2019, 11:08 am

May is a pathological liar.


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06 Sep 2019, 11:15 am

JohnPowell wrote:
Biscuitman wrote:
JohnPowell wrote:
Biscuitman wrote:
JohnPowell wrote:
Biscuitman wrote:
JohnPowell wrote:
May was the one who stopped us leaving the EU.


The ERG had the numbers to get us out in MV3 but chose to side with Corbyn and vote against their own party


May's capitulation treaty wasn't getting us out.


It wasn't getting us out on the terms you prefer, but we would have no longer been members of the European Union, that is a fact.


The Custom's Union is along with the Single Market the main body of the EU. It kept us in the Custom's Union forever, didn't deal with freedom of movement or the ECHR. So no, it was staying in the EU without the membership. Really not difficult to understand. To make out the people who were the biggest supporters of Brexit were voting against it cause they didn't want to leave the EU is absurd.


You can keep twisting and turning all you like, but May's Withdrawal Agreement left us, after the transition period, as no longer being member of the European Union. That is a fact that cannot be denied.

The challenge is then to fix the backstop with alternative arrangements, which the arch leavers say can be done very simply.


As i thought, you don't understand the issue at all or are intentionally trolling. The deal keeps us tied to the EU forever even without the phony backstop. Anyone who wants us tied to the EU forever is not an 'arch leaver'. An arch leaver wants to leave the EU and all its institutions and rules and wants a free trade deal with them or the US. I haven't got the time for any more of your games though.


You do this everytime you paint yourself into a corner on here. People are allowed different opinions, people are allowed to disagree with each other, we are all very different with different likes and dislikes, and that is all absolutely fine, life's rich tapestry and all that. Just because someone holds a different opinion to you means you tell then they are wrong, dont understand it as well as you and then you try and make out like their opinion should not even count as you have announced it as a 'game'.

We are all different, it's part of what makes life great.



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06 Sep 2019, 11:18 am

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The PM of Finland, which holds the EU's rotating presidency,said friday there will be no new negotiations over the UK's exit agreement from the bloc.

We are not going to open this agreement we negotiated between UK and the EU.Said PM Antti Rinne at a conference in Helsinki.

REUTERS


Yep. All they have done is stick to the same position they did before the referendum happened, the same position they have had all along and the negotiations finished last October. They have said they are open to suggestions for something to replace the UK's suggested backstop if it resolves what we see an issue but we are still yet to suggest anything that is acceptable.



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06 Sep 2019, 11:32 am

Bill intented to block no deal Brexit becomes law after being passed by House of Lords.It was passed without amendments so it does not need to go back to commons.

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06 Sep 2019, 11:55 am

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Bill intented to block no deal Brexit becomes law after being passed by House of Lords.It was passed without amendments so it does not need to go back to commons.

The Guardian


Great stuff.

Still plenty of things could happen around a GE, VoNC etc to mean that law doesn't end up applying. All to play for! :lol:



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06 Sep 2019, 12:18 pm

Biscuitman wrote:
JohnPowell wrote:
Biscuitman wrote:
JohnPowell wrote:
Biscuitman wrote:
JohnPowell wrote:
Biscuitman wrote:
JohnPowell wrote:
May was the one who stopped us leaving the EU.


The ERG had the numbers to get us out in MV3 but chose to side with Corbyn and vote against their own party


May's capitulation treaty wasn't getting us out.


It wasn't getting us out on the terms you prefer, but we would have no longer been members of the European Union, that is a fact.


The Custom's Union is along with the Single Market the main body of the EU. It kept us in the Custom's Union forever, didn't deal with freedom of movement or the ECHR. So no, it was staying in the EU without the membership. Really not difficult to understand. To make out the people who were the biggest supporters of Brexit were voting against it cause they didn't want to leave the EU is absurd.


You can keep twisting and turning all you like, but May's Withdrawal Agreement left us, after the transition period, as no longer being member of the European Union. That is a fact that cannot be denied.

The challenge is then to fix the backstop with alternative arrangements, which the arch leavers say can be done very simply.


As i thought, you don't understand the issue at all or are intentionally trolling. The deal keeps us tied to the EU forever even without the phony backstop. Anyone who wants us tied to the EU forever is not an 'arch leaver'. An arch leaver wants to leave the EU and all its institutions and rules and wants a free trade deal with them or the US. I haven't got the time for any more of your games though.


You do this everytime you paint yourself into a corner on here. People are allowed different opinions, people are allowed to disagree with each other, we are all very different with different likes and dislikes, and that is all absolutely fine, life's rich tapestry and all that. Just because someone holds a different opinion to you means you tell then they are wrong, dont understand it as well as you and then you try and make out like their opinion should not even count as you have announced it as a 'game'.

We are all different, it's part of what makes life great.


People are allowed their own opinions just not their own facts. I'm gonna challenge people who parrot establishment propaganda every single time.


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06 Sep 2019, 12:22 pm

Biscuitman wrote:
vermontsavant wrote:
Bill intented to block no deal Brexit becomes law after being passed by House of Lords.It was passed without amendments so it does not need to go back to commons.

The Guardian


Great stuff.

Still plenty of things could happen around a GE, VoNC etc to mean that law doesn't end up applying. All to play for! :lol:
Things are at the point where things are so crazy it might be warranted for the Queen to intercede,there's an unwritten rule that she doesn't use her power, but she can.


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06 Sep 2019, 12:24 pm

And it's not my 'opinion' that the May treaty keeps us tied to the EU forever, it's a fact. And it does so without the backstop.


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06 Sep 2019, 12:55 pm

I am glad you have chosen to amend your statement from 'wasnt getting us out' to 'keeps us tied to'.

There are certainly parts of EU agreements that we will want, and need, to be involved in after Brexit.