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09 Oct 2019, 9:56 am

We are not superhuman; and we are not subhuman.

I am sure MANY lists have been compiled here that would meet your requirements. Some of them probably should have been made "stickies."



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09 Oct 2019, 10:22 am

carlos55 wrote:
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To get back to the topic, of not being superhuman and to respond to your question... I used the word accepting as a response to your usage of it in the quoted text. What is your definition? Does it stretch beyond kindness and job opportunities?


Basically "acceptance" means different things to different people. To me it means many of the laws protecting disabled people (i know not perfect) + non discrimination & same opportunities and treatment. To others it means no longer regarding something as a concern or problem to be treated or cured, which i believe is a mistake with any disability.

But without going over the pros v neg of ND again. Im curious as to what specific acceptance / accomodations many autistic advocates would like to see outside of NT kindness and job opportunities?

Where the rubber meets the road what specific tangable things do advocates want, in the history of WP did anyone make a list?

I suggest you start a thread on that topic, as ASaPartOfMes topic is about not being superhuman.

The needs analysis of one autistic person is different to every other autistic persons needs analysis.

There couldn't be a list of accomodations for every single variation in the expression of the diagnostic criteria. This is the issue, there aren't short cuts to understanding the very individual needs of each person.

Ok here is one tangiable thing to start you off, a client led/partnership approach to an individualised needs analysis, as the starting point to establish relevent accomodations.



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09 Oct 2019, 11:39 am

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a7SouU3ECpU

Hmm; i surely am not Superhuman. But yes; Supernormal i am and i can and will easily prove that with irrefutable evidence as i carry the Proof wherever i go in not more than a 6-inch Screen; and the Evidence therein.

If, i did not manage to escape the Matrix of Culture (otherwise known as Financial Independence; rich enough not to have to work like 'Bruce Wayne'; His Super Power and His Tool Kit that He built for success) no doubt i would be no more than
an Online Dweller, never assessed as a Dance Legend in Real Life; the flesh and blood stuff with 12,053 Miles of Public
Dance in 73 Months; Ha! and Forrest Gump thought he achieved something running across the United States Three
times or so Decades Younger than me considering my next Birthday is 60.

True; i Leg Press 1520 Pounds at 8 Reps Max; but will only Prove i Leg press 1340 Pounds on YouTube; 12 Reps,
100 Seconds, at 90 Degrees in Range of Movement; as let's face it; yes, we are all only human; the wear and tear
of Aging predicates the fact that Drawing all that weight back to close to my Chest might incur what is known
as Permanent Disability in Limitation of moving my Legs; so, i do Supernormal smart as well; no matter who
says i should be ashamed to put something like that online; as i only Brought Close to A Ton of Weight
Halfway to my Chest; but of course that is a 'little man' game; one that anonymous 'little men syndrome'
dudes play with the Big Leaguers online as sure; not much different than playing a Video Game; no Real
World Consequences in Playing Real Ball; flesh and blood as such.

Now true one might see that as a bit Low brow in Achievement but true too; i realize the Activity of doing
that takes me in a State of Being; Ascending and Transcending into Autotelic Flow which only enhances
the Laser focus on Special Interests that naturally come with Asperger's Syndrome; but sadly, many folks
with the Condition do not understand that Emotional Regulation and Sensory Integration that as science
Shows is a Therapy that works for the negative Symptoms Associated With Autism Will Bring Much Greater
Cognitive Executive Functioning for those who Do Use Movement Therapy; that one might also Term 'Pretty
Looking' Artful 'Stimming and or Flapping' in a way that gains Audience Interest in Public; where you even
get assessed as Legend with the General Public; Just for doing it a bit over a Year; now Viral Videos Metro Wide
come and go other folks take; someone saying, 'hey legend', is no better than someone just saying Hi and smiling;
as true we are Social Animals; that is a nice experience to feel everywhere you go in life as you continue to pay
it forward by Entertaining the Entire Metro Area just for Free; True, A Storm of Zen Compassion in a Dance for
all that only started out as therapy for me; to prepare me a way to Write a 7.3 Million Word Longest Epic Long Form
Free Verse Poem (Personal Bible) in the History of Humankind; now true; that is a rather narrow niche; too big to see in a Twitter World today; but never the less; i hold the REAL World Record and since i have an Autotelic Personality through and through; i do not any Require any External Awards or Rewards; but the Supernormal Nature complete in Essence of Total Satisfaction of Just being in the Moment of Heaven now doing what i do Just for fun!

You see; i do it for me. You See; i do it for everyone else. You see when you fully see there is no separation from
me and the Rest of God/Nature. Voila i make the 'Greater Grade'; but i don't have to Get Crucified with Fame and Fortune to be one with Nature God and Same now in total Nirvana and Bliss; as 'they' say Kingdom of Heaven Within for Real NOW.

This is A Capstone of A Pyramid; that Wisdom Eye of Beauty in Truth and Light that Sees all as simply all as simply
Nature that is all that is and more of what one might term as God now or a Blue Turtle; Form Matters not when
one becomes Essence of all;

No Fear as Love Breathes;

That's Supernormal enough for me;

In my Case; not only Credit the Gift of Autism;
But the Gift of Bi-Polar too as most Great Artists
And Scientists share a bit of that spectrum too.

All my Doctor's as Documented relate that i have remedied
all the Negative Symptoms of my Born on Conditions; all Natural
With Flowing Autotelic Dance And Song through Most Hours of my Waking
Dreams that are real in Fruition and Heaven now; Wow! i achieved the Jesus and
the Buddha and the Lao Tao; the Shiva; and the Dance With the Devil that is Kali
of Destruction too; Krishna sure; yes; Lady's man too. But the Truth is i am no label but i am.

Not surprisingly, i am usually only Welcome in Foreign Lands by Exotic Looking Beautiful Women and sure i can prove that too. True; the Greatest Gift that is my Wife; Local And Real Female Angel too; She still doesn't age at 49; i can prove
that she has the same 19 Year-old Bikini body in a Bikini Body Bending Down and Picking up Grapes; go Figure Science Shows Certain Factors associated with Autism that relate to Slow Aging; She's not diagnosed but scores a 32 on the
AQ Scan; as i score an 11 Now that used to be a 45; and i score mid-90's on the EQ Test that used to be mid 50's.

Ha! i am so much smarter than 'Autism Speaks';
i already did what they say they are trying to do;
thing is; i retain all the Gifts and throw away the Curses like they never existed at all.

Why; simply because i really wanted to live; Autism Burn-out Put me in a Batman Dark Dungeon for 66 Months.

i didn't come back as a Vigilante; but i did come back as a Legend; and true i have a Link to the Viral Video
that Proves that in Community Response; as Not only do they term me as Legend; but with the words
'he is everywhere' and they've never even seen the size of my online Foot Print; and 20,000 Photos of Selfie
Nude art as true i am a Hot number 1 Search item with Google in Search terms for that too still
approaching 60 Years old; i figured Michelangelo's David in Stone; Was not enough; i'll do it
all Naturally without Anabolic Steroids at close to 60 Years-OId.

Bottom Line; labels are only Label deep.

And true We become what We Believe the Most; at least my Life Proves this true.

i didn't speak until age 4, considered too weak and strange to exist by peers through School and mistaken
for a Female at McDonald's in Middle School too; now, wherever i go in the Real World now People say i talk like a Professional Speaker; even at places like Sunflower Farms; Where other Flowers continue to reach for the Sun and Beyond the Stars.

And if 'you' think i am bragging; you are so so wrong; i am less than a grain of sand; and am so proud to come from nothing; really, the same as the rest of everything else; as Even Stephen Hawking relates as "Sheldon Coopers" Greatest Hero too.

If God All that is we see and more comes from Nothing; God is really a Legend too; True; there is dark in that too; but how else does Batman become a Hero; if he doesn't travel through A Dark Side First, too; Ha! beat his 5 Years too; with 66 months of surviving a Real Hell; worst part lost my emotions; second Worst part, type Two Trigeminal Neuralgia likely
associated with 11 Years of Chronic Stress at work; and the last 2 Years of that spent in fight or flight acute stress.
Those Stress Hormones play Havoc of Destruction with every bodily system; including Myelin Sheaths of Nerves too;
That Pain is named the Suicide Disease; like someone drilling Your Teeth without Novocaine that no other drug
will touch; in my case in my right eye and ear; as science Suggests this pain is worse than the actual torture
of a Crucifixion for real. But for me at least; losing my Emotions were worse than the pain; and yes there
were a synergy of 18 Other Life threatening Disorders that no one remedied but me through the Meditation
of over 12 Million Words overall of Writing online; a significant Part accomplished on this Website too; for true
the first word i wrote here was Thanks Giving of 2010; Fully 33 Months into that Pain Disorder as a shut-in in
my Bedroom that i would remain for 66 Months before escaping into the wild and becoming an assessed
Metro Public Dance Legend; and starting my 7.3 MiLLioN Word 'SonG oF mY SoUL' Long Form Bible Poem;
almost at 7.4 Million Words now; I continue to write on average around 100 Thousand Words a Month.
i continue to Public Dance on Average 166 Miles a Month; And i have Danced with College Age folks
for the 282nd Dance Week Night this Thursday; over 2000 Selfies Recorded Smiling ear to ear with
the Most Beautiful Young Women in this Beautiful Pensacola Beach Town too.

Life is Good;

But i earned it though every ounce of Blood, Sweat, and Tears;

My only realistic Suggestion is do whatever it takes to find Mind and Body Balance
to escape Stress the best you can and will. Stress not only Kills; it does something potentially much worse;
it takes Your Soul away and sends you Straight to Hell Within on Earth if You Endure it too long without saying NO.

i didn't know how to say no; i was always outcast; i couldn't afford to say no; as i didn't get 9 Lives like a Cat at work
for being anyone's good Old Boy or Best Dog Friend Forever Work Mate. i paid for that forever; yes, dearly; dearly with
beyond fires of Hell within; forever now then.

And if You think this response is Long; You've Never Danced with the Real Devil within. You've never seen through
the eyes of a Joker who refused to act on Vigilance no matter how deep the Pain and Numb just to exist for another
second eternally in Hell; as you look in the Mirror and cannot recognize if you ever lived at all; no smile; no memory
of a smile or laugh at all; all you can do; is Paint on a smile; with no feeling at all at best; if and when you can find
a breath of Strength to even do that as some approximation of Human Life.

Never Give up; and if you can/will help it never go to that place at all; The Remedy is simple as two hands become
one and two feet become one in Balance Moving with Gravity too. And true i will leave you with an example
of what i do; You don't have to do it like me; as i have no idea what i am doing to teach you any lesson at all.

Let Your Body decide and then Your mind may be happier than ever before for the Balance Your body Brings the rest of
you in Peace and Harmony eternally now; Science Proves it works; it's worth a shot for whatever style of Meditation
takes you out of Purgatory Grey to the BLack Abyss of Eternal Hell now.

Other than that whatever you do; Learn TO SAY NO; DANCE WITH THE DEVIL AND SURVIVE.

Enjoy Heaven now; why not; Chances are you don't go to Church; Chances are you may not be Nearly
as Lost as 'them' as 'us' for real; for escaping that Matrix of Minion is surely a First step toward 'Neo' Life for Real.

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20 Oct 2019, 10:32 am

Indeed we are not superhuman. However:

1) There ARE certain talents that are apparently more common among autistic people than among allistic people. Some of these talents are, in my opinion, an intrinsic corollary of certain common autistic traits. (For example, a lot of autistic kids like to line up their toys. This means the kid likes to organize and classify things, which is a necessary first step in any scientific endeavor.)

2) In order for talents of any kind to manifest, a child (usually) needs to be brought up in a way that allows and encourages them.

3) As far as I can tell, most autistic children are not brought up in such a way that whatever latent talents they might have (be they the stereotypical autistic talents of math and music, or something else) are identified and encouraged. Instead, the focus is on trying to fix everything that's wrong with these kids, often turning them into emotional wrecks in the process.

And that, to me, is a great tragedy.

As Dr. Stephen Shore has said, you can't build a career on remediated weaknesses.

I speak as one of the lucky ones. I was a musical savant (though not a full-blown prodigy) as a child, and I later developed a talent for math. In both cases, my upbringing and my childhood surroundings played a key role in the development of these talents.


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20 Oct 2019, 11:05 am

Mona Pereth wrote:
Indeed we are not superhuman. However:

1) There ARE certain talents that are apparently more common among autistic people than among allistic people. Some of these talents are, in my opinion, an intrinsic corollary of certain common autistic traits. (For example, a lot of autistic kids like to line up their toys. This means the kid likes to organize and classify things, which is a necessary first step in any scientific endeavor.)

2) In order for talents of any kind to manifest, a child (usually) needs to be brought up in a way that allows and encourages them.

3) As far as I can tell, most autistic children are not brought up in such a way that whatever latent talents they might have (be they the stereotypical autistic talents of math and music, or something else) are identified and encouraged. Instead, the focus is on trying to fix everything that's wrong with these kids, often turning them into emotional wrecks in the process.

And that, to me, is a great tragedy.

I speak as one of the lucky ones. I was a musical savant (though not a full-blown prodigy) as a child, and I later developed a talent for math. In both cases, my upbringing and my childhood surroundings played a key role in the development of these talents.

This is true generally not just for autistics. Most of us were brought up by what is now called free range parenting. In that era we were expect to do and figure out a LOT more things ourselves. Parents and the schools in some respects if not necessarily encouraging our talents did not stand in our way as much. This was far from perfect, kids who were flailing, who were bullied did not receive help, failed and were viewed a losers. Now instead in bullying in the form of name calling and fists from other kids they get it in the form of good intentioned adults directing every aspect of their lives. Yet people wonder why the rates of depression, suicide, anxiety, and other mental illnesses are skyrocketing among American youth.

All that said I agree with you that being autistic in an NT world/autistic traits world significantly exacerbates these issues.

I am one of the lucky ones also. My public school threw me out after second grade because at that time they did not know what was wrong with me or what to do and they could, there was no legal right to an eduction. The school recommended home schooling or private school. My mom(mothers did most of the parenting back then) put me in a private school and I was let back in public school for fifth grade. I did see a psychologist nobody remembers what diagnosis if any was given. I can’t prove it, but believe if my parents were not teachers I would have been locked away and forgotten in some institution. So I was both probably privileged in the old fashioned sense of the word and lucky to grow up in a less bad era for people like me.


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21 Oct 2019, 5:56 pm

I'm not necessarily advocating "free-range" parenting. My parents were a lot less "free range" than the parents of most other kids I knew.

For example, my parents strictly limited my TV watching. Once we finally got a TV set in the first place, when I was ten-and-a-half years old, I was allowed to watch no more than one show per day during the school year and no more than three shows per day during the summer. I feel that these limitations were a good thing, by making it easier for me to focus on schoolwork.

Fortunately the parochial school I attended was well-supervised enough that, while teasing happened, it was never allowed to escalate into physical bullying. Fortunately also, I got enough positive strokes at home from my parents to enable me to feel basically good about myself despite negativity from other kids.

Very fortunately also, my parents had enough of a background in educational methodology to tutor me well enough to ensure that I was always at or near the top of the class academically.

Another important stroke of luck: My parents had a piano. My musical abilities, in the form of spontaneously figuring out how to play the piano by ear, at the same time I was belatedly learning to talk, couldn't have manifested if there wasn't a piano in the house. Pianos are very expensive, after all, and my parents could not have afforded it on their own. The piano we had was a hand-me-down that some friend of the family had decided to get rid of, probably because a few of the keys weren't working.

In all the stories I've ever read about musical savants, the instrument that the kids figured out how to play on their own was a piano. Never a non-keyboard instrument, such as a guitar or a flute. There's a reason for this. Only keyboard instruments offer a highly intuitive, beginner-friendly, obvious visual way to see the relationships between the notes. Thus only keyboard instruments, such as a piano, are savant-friendly.

Of course, most families do not have a piano or other keyboard instrument in the house. I therefore conclude that there are probably a lot of potential musical savants out there who were never given the opportunity to manifest their abilities.

Besides having a piano or other keyboard instrument in the house, another thing most potential musical savants would probably need is the example of someone else in the family playing it regularly. In my case, my older sister played the piano at least occasionally, as did my father. On the other hand, I've read that there was a time in the early-to-mid 20th century when a lot of upper-middle-class families had a piano in the house just as a status symbol, even if no one played it. That probably didn't do much good for any potential musical savants in the family.

Fortunately, these days, inexpensive keyboard synthesizers can be bought for less than $100, and basic lessons on how to play them can be found online for free.

If every parent of an autistic child were to buy a cheap keyboard synthesizer, learn the basics of how to play it (using headphones at first, to avoid bothering one's child and other family members while still in the initial phases of learning), and then use it to play songs that their child likes, we would probably see a LOT more musical savants. Of course, not every autistic child would figure out on their own how to play the instrument under these circumstances, but I strongly suspect that a great many would -- including some otherwise severely disabled autistic children.

Also, I wonder how many families these days have home surroundings that would encourage a latent math ability.

Example: large wall calendars. One year I remember we had, in my bedroom, a large wall calendar that displayed all the months of the year, while, in the kitchen, we had a wall calendar that displayed just the current month. I rather suspect that wall calendars in general have gone out of fashion these days, thanks to smartphones and calendar apps.

Another example that has probably gone out of fashion these days: large analog clocks. These days I think it would probably be a good idea to have, in almost every small child's bedroom, both a large analog clock and a large digital clock.

Anyhow, one thing I passionately believe, based on my childhood experiences, is that the most important thing that can be done for any autistic child is to identify the child's strengths, whatever they might be, and encourage them. Alas, this is something that probably does not even occur to many parents of autistic children as something they should even try to do. But I think it's something that should be tried with even the most severely disabled-seeming children.


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Mona Pereth wrote:
I'm not necessarily advocating "free-range" parenting. My parents were a lot less "free range" than the parents of most other kids I knew.

For example, my parents strictly limited my TV watching. Once we finally got a TV set in the first place, when I was ten-and-a-half years old, I was allowed to watch no more than one show per day during the school year and no more than three shows per day during the summer. I feel that these limitations were a good thing, by making it easier for me to focus on schoolwork.

Fortunately the parochial school I attended was well-supervised enough that, while teasing happened, it was never allowed to escalate into physical bullying. Fortunately also, I got enough positive strokes at home from my parents to enable me to feel basically good about myself despite negativity from other kids.

Very fortunately also, my parents had enough of a background in educational methodology to tutor me well enough to ensure that I was always at or near the top of the class academically.

Another important stroke of luck: My parents had a piano. My musical abilities, in the form of spontaneously figuring out how to play the piano by ear, at the same time I was belatedly learning to talk, couldn't have manifested if there wasn't a piano in the house. Pianos are very expensive, after all, and my parents could not have afforded it on their own. The piano we had was a hand-me-down that some friend of the family had decided to get rid of, probably because a few of the keys weren't working.

In all the stories I've ever read about musical savants, the instrument that the kids figured out how to play on their own was a piano. Never a non-keyboard instrument, such as a guitar or a flute. There's a reason for this. Only keyboard instruments offer a highly intuitive, beginner-friendly, obvious visual way to see the relationships between the notes. Thus only keyboard instruments, such as a piano, are savant-friendly.

Of course, most families do not have a piano or other keyboard instrument in the house. I therefore conclude that there are probably a lot of potential musical savants out there who were never given the opportunity to manifest their abilities.

Besides having a piano or other keyboard instrument in the house, another thing most potential musical savants would probably need is the example of someone else in the family playing it regularly. In my case, my older sister played the piano at least occasionally, as did my father. On the other hand, I've read that there was a time in the early-to-mid 20th century when a lot of upper-middle-class families had a piano in the house just as a status symbol, even if no one played it. That probably didn't do much good for any potential musical savants in the family.

Fortunately, these days, inexpensive keyboard synthesizers can be bought for less than $100, and basic lessons on how to play them can be found online for free.

If every parent of an autistic child were to buy a cheap keyboard synthesizer, learn the basics of how to play it (using headphones at first, to avoid bothering one's child and other family members while still in the initial phases of learning), and then use it to play songs that their child likes, we would probably see a LOT more musical savants. Of course, not every autistic child would figure out on their own how to play the instrument under these circumstances, but I strongly suspect that a great many would -- including some otherwise severely disabled autistic children.

Also, I wonder how many families these days have home surroundings that would encourage a latent math ability.

Example: large wall calendars. One year I remember we had, in my bedroom, a large wall calendar that displayed all the months of the year, while, in the kitchen, we had a wall calendar that displayed just the current month. I rather suspect that wall calendars in general have gone out of fashion these days, thanks to smartphones and calendar apps.

Another example that has probably gone out of fashion these days: large analog clocks. These days I think it would probably be a good idea to have, in almost every small child's bedroom, both a large analog clock and a large digital clock.

Anyhow, one thing I passionately believe, based on my childhood experiences, is that the most important thing that can be done for any autistic child is to identify the child's strengths, whatever they might be, and encourage them. Alas, this is something that probably does not even occur to many parents of autistic children as something they should even try to do. But I think it's something that should be tried with even the most severely disabled-seeming children.


It was pretty "free range" for me. I was expected to be home for dinner, be there for special occasions and complete my homework on time, that was about it. No particular talent was encouraged but what was drummed into me that really helped was the idea that everybody is different. Not in a kumbaya, everybody is a beautiful kind of way, but more like this is how life works type of way. My parents would NEVER tell me I have superpowers, we were taught modesty by example, unfortunately an impairing trait in today's selfie world.

That is how I look which parenting method is best, it depends on the kid. Overall it was probably in some instances too free range then, and it is definitely way to helicopter/snowplow now.


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