70 Years of Murderous Communism in China

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This week is the 70th anniversary of the founding of the most murderous state in human history: Communist China. Here's a good short review for young folks especially who don't know the history:

https://foreignpolicy.com/2019/10/01/th ... in-chains/

The three great murderous ideologies of the 20th and 21st century have been Communism, Nazism, and Islamism, and Communism leads them all. China's Mao Zedong is the top mass murderer in history, with tens of millions of his own people starved, enslaved, and murdered.

I'd have to agree......it was hardly ever Peaches and Cream in China-----until they started to modernize after the death of Mao.

There will never, in China, be a "Cultural Revolution" like what occurred in the 1960s.

Who Was the Biggest Mass Murderer in History?

Who was the biggest mass murderer in the history of the world? Most people probably assume that the answer is Adolf Hitler, architect of the Holocaust. Others might guess Soviet dictator Joseph Stalin, who may indeed have managed to kill even more innocent people than Hitler did, many of them as part of a terror famine that likely took more lives than the Holocaust.

But both Hitler and Stalin were outdone by Mao Zedong. From 1958 to 1962, his Great Leap Forward policy led to the deaths of up to 45 million people—easily making it the biggest episode of mass murder ever recorded.

https://fee.org/articles/who-was-the-bi ... n-history/

Mass murder is mass murder---all equally heinous.

Post that on reddit and see how long your account lasts.

Hitler and the German people were responsible for the deaths of 50- 60 million people across Europe between 1939-1945 which means the Nazis are the worst mass killers in history.

While the Asians have produced some pretty brutal killers in emperor Hirohito, Genghis Khan, Mao Tse Tung and Pol Pot...the Europeans are the worst...Greeks, Romans, Vikings, Napolean and the Nazis....

We all know when the Germans put their mind to it they do things better than anyone else...

This topic is not about race. It is not about your usual white people are evil.

The only thing you demonstrated that is on topic is that nazism and communism are about neck and neck when it comes to their death tolls.

Last edited by EzraS on 03 Oct 2019, 4:35 am, edited 1 time in total.

Just correcting Darmok's league table of evil

Are the factors that resulted in 45 million deaths from 1958-1962 the same as those that resulted in 50-60 million deaths from 1939-1945?

Mao killed his own people....so did Pol Pot....Nazis killed pretty much everyone who wasn't Nazi

Also the Germans were much more efficient at killing in a shorter span of time...

So Mao executed 45 million people.
And Hitler executed 50-60 million people. Aside from the number of those who died in battle during WWII.

Attributing the murders to individual leaders absolves the actual murderers from the acts they committed. I think that was the purpose behind the Milgram experiment in Yale. Trying to demonstrate that you can compel a person torture and kill if they think they are following an authority figure.

Of course the Einsatzgruppen who murdered millions of women and children in Europe largely acted with their own volition and were not under any pressure from authority figures. Yet these men who were ordinary/average Germans seem to be driven to hunt down every last person they could find and kill them.

That type of German efficiency is probably why they make such good cars I guess

The difference I am looking for regarding Hitler is of the 50-60 million where those all a result of execution outside of warfare causalities during WWII. Since there was not something the scope of WWII from 1958-1962, that could play a major roll in determining who was killed during massive combat and who was outright executed. That is why I asked if the factors were the same in comparing Mao killing 45 million from 1958-1962 and saying Hitler killed 50-60 million from 1939-1945.

Of course both the leader and those who carried out his orders are guilty. But the leader is personally guilty of the total number of people he had executed.

Overall I agree, but they're less culpable when it comes to people who died as a result of economic mismanagement and other similar structural failures. At the very least, those deaths shouldn't be viewed as murder, when it's generally agreed and understood that they weren't intentional killings. They still count in the overall 'death count', but they're not murder any more than any other unintentional deaths due to negligence are. Basically, any of the intentional deaths are fair to be referred to as murder, but the unintended deaths in custody would be a category lower (if you're in the state's custody, they're responsible for your welfare) and the unintended deaths of those not in custody would be another level lower.

Ultimately attempting to argue that this ideology or that ideology is more/less evil on the basis on body count seems like it misses the point. Would killing 3 million people out of three billion be less evil than killing 7 million out of seven billion? Would especially heinous executions make a lower toll more evil than a greater toll executed as 'humanely' as possible? Further, what about the evils inflicted on those who survived, do those not come into consideration? I definitely feel this is a topic that can easy turn into a bunch of navel-gazing hypotheticals with no real attachment to reality.

The cultural genocide continues... the current Chinese government has rounded up hundreds of thousands of minority Uighur muslims and is holding them in re-education camps and forced labour factories.

You are preaching to the converted. The message needs to be directed to the OP who started this ridiculous thread