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05 Oct 2019, 10:44 am

Now that he tries to investigate Biden, doesn't anyone wonder why doesn't he try to fulfill his campaign promise of putting Hillary into prison? He has two reasons to investigate Hillary:

1) That's what he said he will do, so he doesn't want to look like someone who just says words without following up by actions

2) Since Hillary isn't going to 2020 election it won't look like fear of election. Yes it might look like getting back at her for the past election, but at least he wouldn't be looking like a coward the way he looks like with Biden. That doesn't mean he shouldn't investigate Biden, but maybe investigating Hillary in parallel will counter-balance the coward appearance that Biden part creates.

What do you think?



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05 Oct 2019, 12:12 pm

He's not investigating Hillary because these investigations are not actually about corruption, it's about him trying to smear his potential political rivals for the 2020 bid. Hillary is not running and has dropped mostly out of the political sphere - investigating her would not benefit him. Trump is only about himself, and will only do what will allow himself to win. He will say and do anything that he thinks will appeal to the people who vote for him, and/or will put doubt in people's minds about his potential rivals. So, unless Hillary suddenly comes back in to the political sphere or is somehow again put into the national stage, he's not going do anything concerning her, whether or not he thinks she is actually corrupt. It's not about routing out corruption, it's about himself winning. That's it.



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05 Oct 2019, 12:30 pm

^^^^

NOOOO...

I don't believe that.

I think that ….Trump is sincerely worried about corruption in the Ukraine. And ...he just wants them to get to the bottom of it. And the fact that the main target of his putative Ukrainian corruption campaign just...HAPPENS...to be the family of his biggest political rival in the coming election is...you know.. just a coincidence. :lol:

And as to why he IS demanding investigation of Biden (an investigation he never promised to anyone before) and is NOT investigating Hillary (whom he did pledge to his voters to investigate) has nothing to with the fact that Hillary is not a threat to him in the coming election, but Biden is.

It's because...its because

Hmmmmm…

Its because Hillary has learned her lesson, and is now being a good girl, but Hunter Biden is still …. a DANGER to society! That's why! :D



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05 Oct 2019, 4:36 pm

Keladry wrote:
He's not investigating Hillary because these investigations are not actually about corruption, it's about him trying to smear his potential political rivals for the 2020 bid. Hillary is not running and has dropped mostly out of the political sphere - investigating her would not benefit him. Trump is only about himself, and will only do what will allow himself to win. He will say and do anything that he thinks will appeal to the people who vote for him, and/or will put doubt in people's minds about his potential rivals. So, unless Hillary suddenly comes back in to the political sphere or is somehow again put into the national stage, he's not going do anything concerning her, whether or not he thinks she is actually corrupt. It's not about routing out corruption, it's about himself winning. That's it.


Thats the exact reason why he SHOULD investigate Hillary. Even though what you just said is true, doesn't he want to hide it? In order to hide this truth -- he should investigate Hillary. Why doesn't he want to hide this truth, thats the question.



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06 Oct 2019, 2:50 am

If he started to investigate Hillary, it could provoke others to investigate him even more throughly than they do now. This wouldn't be a problem if he had nothing to hide of course, but if he does have something to hide, it makes sense that he'd avoid provoking people who want to find as much dirt on him as they can.



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06 Oct 2019, 2:32 pm

Fireblossom wrote:
If he started to investigate Hillary, it could provoke others to investigate him even more throughly than they do now.


I thought right now they already investigate him as thoroughly as possible. So I don't see how it can get any more thorough than it already is.



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06 Oct 2019, 6:56 pm

QFT wrote:
Why doesn't Trump investigate Hillary?
Either there is nothing to investigate, or what would be found would be damning to Trump.

The Clintons are savvy players of the political game.

Anyone that smart would have a lot of data on their enemies, both real and potential.


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06 Oct 2019, 7:24 pm

QFT wrote:
Now that he tries to investigate Biden, doesn't anyone wonder why doesn't he try to fulfill his campaign promise of putting Hillary into prison? He has two reasons to investigate Hillary:

1) That's what he said he will do, so he doesn't want to look like someone who just says words without following up by actions

2) Since Hillary isn't going to 2020 election it won't look like fear of election. Yes it might look like getting back at her for the past election, but at least he wouldn't be looking like a coward the way he looks like with Biden. That doesn't mean he shouldn't investigate Biden, but maybe investigating Hillary in parallel will counter-balance the coward appearance that Biden part creates.

What do you think?


Wherever possible, politicians play politics with the unwritten understanding of: If you don't literally cut out my spleen, I won't.
Sometimes it works.
Sometimes it doesn't.

Remeber people,
We are dealing with politicians, hence little to no credibility, ethical integrity and truthfulness.
It is a case of choosing the least of the evils available.
Hence the Trump phenomenon. :wink:
Sorry, Hillary. 8O


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06 Oct 2019, 7:32 pm

Fnord wrote:
QFT wrote:
Why doesn't Trump investigate Hillary?
Either there is nothing to investigate, or what would be found would be damning to Trump.

The Clintons are savvy players of the political game.

Anyone that smart would have a lot of data on their enemies, both real and potential.


Agreed.
Trump won the erection.
He doesn't need to stir up unnecessary crap.

To me, it is bleedingly obvious this is his mindset.
God, I'm brilliant. <beam>

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06 Oct 2019, 10:27 pm

Pepe wrote:
Agreed.
Trump won the erection.
He doesn't need to stir up unnecessary crap.


The fact that he doesn't need to do it is the precise reason that he should: that way he can back up his case that he is honestly fighting corruption as opposed to seeking his own gain.

Of course, even better way to do that is to investigate some random people that have never participated in any elections at all -- which he should do too -- but still Hillary should be somewhere on the list since he should follow up on his words in order not to lose credibility.



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07 Oct 2019, 12:12 am

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but still Hillary should be somewhere on the list since he should follow up on his words in order not to lose credibility.


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"Trump has credibility"?
Since when?
I see him as a "pathological liar".
I.E. a "typical" politician.
He was just better than the other mob at the time of the erection.

The corruption of the established political elite needed a counterpoint, hence Trump.
Not a great fix but it showed the depth of political depravity in the Amerikan system.
Personally speaking, imo, it was Hillary who lost the erection, not Trump winning it.

<exit serious mode>
I find your post less than credible.
And I should know.
I am The Oracle of truth after all. :mrgreen:


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07 Oct 2019, 12:36 am

Hilary aint running in 2020, but Biden is. That is why he won't investigate her. Plus, neither have done anything that can convict them, despite what Trump says.


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07 Oct 2019, 2:17 am

Kraichgauer wrote:
Hilary aint running in 2020, but Biden is. That is why he won't investigate her. Plus, neither have done anything that can convict them, despite what Trump says.


So you don't believe the conspiracy theory that Hillary stuffed up political intrigue in the middle east resulting in the death of an Amerikan Marine?
And you don't believe the story about the private email server?

So you don't believe the Amerikan political elite on either side are intrinsically corrupt and self-serving?

Just asking. :wink:


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07 Oct 2019, 4:28 am

Pepe wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Hilary aint running in 2020, but Biden is. That is why he won't investigate her. Plus, neither have done anything that can convict them, despite what Trump says.


So you don't believe the conspiracy theory that Hillary stuffed up political intrigue in the middle east resulting in the death of an Amerikan Marine?
And you don't believe the story about the private email server?

So you don't believe the Amerikan political elite on either side are intrinsically corrupt and self-serving?

Just asking. :wink:


Sure, the political elite - which includes Trump, who also is part of the equally despicable business elite - are probably dirty. But Clinton had been grilled to death by the Republicans multiple times and they never found anything incriminating when it came to Benghazi.
The use of a private server was a lapse of judgement which she should have known better not to have done, but nothing criminal or treasonous has ever been proven about that, and was in the end just a red herring thrown out there by Trump. You may not be aware of this, but members of the Trump administration have been caught red handed using private servers, too. But has Trump cracked down on any of them (the answer is: no)?


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10 Oct 2019, 1:04 pm

Because IMO, there would not be much of a point.


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