civil rights atty. shows 20 ways trumpy emulates hitler

Page 3 of 4 [ 55 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4  Next


is trumpy following hitler's playbook?
:| but of course, yes. 58%  58%  [ 7 ]
:x impossible! 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
:shrug: i dunno, insufficient data 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
:chef: where's my german chocolate ice cream? 42%  42%  [ 5 ]
Total votes : 12

sly279
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 11 Dec 2013
Age: 36
Gender: Male
Posts: 16,181
Location: US

12 Oct 2019, 2:50 pm

Hitler supported gun control In name of safety too, Hitler even banned tables with corners. Hitler was all about government forcing its ideals on you for safety, much like Obama and every either democrat politician.

Obama’s posters were very similar to hitlers own from the elections.

Obama like Hitler got thousands to attend rallies.

He promised to swoop back in and seize the president office. Could you i,alone if bush made that promise as he left?

Some senators tried to pass law so Obama could be president for life and just keep running and running.

Obama expanded the illegal presidents powers, trump now uses to undue a lot of Obama did illegally.

Hs I have a pen and paper and I’ll do whatever I wanr attitude is very Hitler like.

He was to quote and add from leftists” literally black Hitler” :lol:

Was legitimately worried for while he would refuse to leave focus and use his pen and paper to declare an emergency


_________________
There is no place for me in the world. I'm going into the wilderness, probably to die


sly279
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 11 Dec 2013
Age: 36
Gender: Male
Posts: 16,181
Location: US

12 Oct 2019, 2:57 pm

blazingstar wrote:
LoveNotHate wrote:
blazingstar wrote:
If you think the same list can be made about Obama and Hitler, lets see it.

1.Obama was labeled the "Deporter in Chief" because of his nationalism, and suggested racism towards Mexicans.

2.Obama's hatred of illegal aliens was so great that he deported more illegal aliens than any other previous president.

3.Obama stuck everyone with the exceptionally tyrannical ACA mandate penalty. That government can penalize you for not doing something. Like Hitler, he's anti-freedom.

4.Obama like Hitler, exploded the national debt.

5.Obama like Hitler, raised taxes.

6.Obama like Hitler's gestapo, authorized the tyrannical PATRIOT ACT.

7.Obama like Hitler, engaged in new military interventions.

8. Obama like Hitler, engaged in Socialist interference: bailing out GM, investing in failed GREEN ENERGY companies, COMMON CORE.

9.Obama like Hitler, expanded welfare spending.

10.Like Hitler, he was known to have a mustache. :)

Image



You are missing the point. Of course you can make comparisons between any two people and probably find similarities.

The point AB was trying to make is that there are some characteristics that are particular to dictators, and whether or not our current president seems to be moving in that direction.


Translation “ how dare you compare democrats to hitler, only republicans can be compared to Hitler.”

What you and ab are doing is no different or more legitimate then comparing the others to Hitler. It’s the same exact thing. Obama would have lived to be named king of America .aka a dictator. He was constantly frustrated that he couldn’t just do what he wants and that that pesky republic with its checks and balances got in his way. How dare congress not knell to his will. Just fortunate he didn’t figure a way to have a “bombing of congress” and use it to do what Hitler did with the burning of riechstag.


_________________
There is no place for me in the world. I'm going into the wilderness, probably to die


blazingstar
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 19 Nov 2017
Age: 70
Gender: Female
Posts: 6,234

12 Oct 2019, 4:32 pm

VegetableMan wrote:
On the subject of President Johnson, yes he did great things for for civil rights. But on the subject of the Vietnam War, he presided over the Gulf of Tonkin incident, a false flag operation, which led to the deaths of nearly 58,000 American soldiers, and many more civilian deaths. The war was predicated on a lie. Funny how you didn't mention that while on the topic of the Vietnam War.


I was trying to give examples of how presidents do affect the lives of ordinary citizens. You said it didn't matter who was in the White House. (And I did say Johnson had screwed up the VN war.) I was trying to give positive and negative examples of influences.

This kind of sniping (funny you didn't mention....) is what makes these discussions pretty useless.


_________________
The river is the melody
And sky is the refrain
- Gordon Lightfoot


blazingstar
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 19 Nov 2017
Age: 70
Gender: Female
Posts: 6,234

12 Oct 2019, 4:37 pm

VegetableMan wrote:
blazingstar wrote:
VegetableMan wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Some time ago I had a theory and checked it out.

I found a long list of articles comparing Obama to Hitler.

Then I found the same for Bush.

How about this one [Bill] Clinton and Hitler Compared

There's nothing new about this.


Same s**t, different toilet. It does nothing to promote rational discussion about how we got here. I guarantee you, putting another respectable looking, phony face at the top of the pyramid will do nothing to address the disease that infects our system. People just go back to sleep, and in another four years, vote in another corrupt neoliberal. That's how we got here in the first place.





AB put up some interesting information. Some can see immediately what is meant with this list. Others want to dis it. If you want to deny the legitimacy of the list, why not give examples? If you think the same list can be made about Obama and Hitler, lets see it. Or, we could look at what these things actually mean. We could research, even if only on Wikipedia, and find out what the definitions of dictator are. Just for example.


Maybe it's interesting, but it's also one sided. You're still stuck in the left/right paradigm, as is AB, so it's rather difficult to get you see the primary point of my comment. We got Trump because Americans have been duped into playing the "lesser of the evils" game for far too long. If we had a party that represented a true opposition to neoliberalism, we wouldn't have a right wing demagogue as president. When people feel their government is screwing then over at every turn, this s**t happens. In fact, it's happening all over the world. Attacking Trump 24/7 is a waste of time. He's just a symptom, not the disease.

Trump has the kind of power he has because the presidents that came before him expanded the power of the executive branch. There have warnings from political experts for years, essentially saying sooner or later we'll get someone in the oval office that will really abuse that power. Obama repealed habeas corpus, which gives the president the right drone or lockup anyone he deems an enemy of the state without do process. There's a prime example of fascism right there for you to digest.

If you want to keep playing the lesser of the two evils game, that's your business. But I left that behind years ago. No Democrat is getting my vote in 2020. And I don't need a civics or history lesson from anybody. But thanks so much for the condescension.


I am asking that folks post information and not bash each other. Just because I'd like to see an actual discussion doesn't mean I'm stuck somewhere and you have surpassed me. I rarely post an opinion. I usually ask questions for consideration.

It's clear this thread can't be pulled back into a discussion. :(


_________________
The river is the melody
And sky is the refrain
- Gordon Lightfoot


VegetableMan
Veteran
Veteran

Joined: 11 Jun 2014
Gender: Male
Posts: 5,208
Location: Illinois

12 Oct 2019, 4:46 pm

My apologies. I get wound up sometimes. The only thing I'm trying to shed a light on is that you bash Trump all day long, but if we don't examine the corruption that made his reign possible, it's not worth much.


_________________
What do you call a hot dog in a gangster suit?

Oscar Meyer Lansky


The_Walrus
Forum Moderator
Forum Moderator

User avatar

Joined: 27 Jan 2010
Age: 29
Gender: Male
Posts: 8,811
Location: London

12 Oct 2019, 5:37 pm

sly279 wrote:
Hitler supported gun control In name of safety too

Hitler made it much easier to own a gun. He just made it harder for the Jewish population, but they didn't have many guns anyway. Germany was demilitarised after WWI and very few people had access to firearms until Hitler came to power.

Agree that large parts of the list are ridiculous and completely miss *why* we hate Hitler.



Drake
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 24 Feb 2014
Gender: Male
Posts: 1,577

12 Oct 2019, 7:19 pm

beneficii wrote:
Drake wrote:
11. Not a problem. It should be a centrepiece when millions of illegal immigrants infest the country and continue to pour over the border.


The Nazis also used the term "infestation" to describe Jews. Jesus Christ. No human "infests" a country.

Such rhetoric is a precursor to genocide and mass murder. It is stage number 3 of the 8 stages of genocide:

Quote:
3. DEHUMANIZATION: One group denies the humanity of the other group. Members of it are equated with animals, vermin, insects or diseases. Dehumanization overcomes the normal human revulsion against murder. At this stage, hate propaganda in print and on hate radios is used to vilify the victim group. In combating this dehumanization, incitement to genocide should not be confused with protected speech. Genocidal societies lack constitutional protection for countervailing speech, and should be treated differently than democracies. Local and international leaders should condemn the use of hate speech and make it culturally unacceptable. Leaders who incite genocide should be banned from international travel and have their foreign finances frozen. Hate radio stations should be shut down, and hate propaganda banned. Hate crimes and atrocities should be promptly punished.


http://www.genocidewatch.org/aboutgenoc ... ocide.html

When I put infest in my post, I paused for a moment to contemplate the use of it. I say humans can infest something, so I'm still talking about humans, and not dehumanizing them. While some of these illegals may well individually be no burden or even beneficial to the country, as a mass of people, they are a burden on the country.



EzraS
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 24 Sep 2013
Gender: Male
Posts: 27,828
Location: Twin Peaks

12 Oct 2019, 8:00 pm

blazingstar wrote:
LoveNotHate wrote:
blazingstar wrote:
If you think the same list can be made about Obama and Hitler, lets see it.

1.Obama was labeled the "Deporter in Chief" because of his nationalism, and suggested racism towards Mexicans.

2.Obama's hatred of illegal aliens was so great that he deported more illegal aliens than any other previous president.

3.Obama stuck everyone with the exceptionally tyrannical ACA mandate penalty. That government can penalize you for not doing something. Like Hitler, he's anti-freedom.

4.Obama like Hitler, exploded the national debt.

5.Obama like Hitler, raised taxes.

6.Obama like Hitler's gestapo, authorized the tyrannical PATRIOT ACT.

7.Obama like Hitler, engaged in new military interventions.

8. Obama like Hitler, engaged in Socialist interference: bailing out GM, investing in failed GREEN ENERGY companies, COMMON CORE.

9.Obama like Hitler, expanded welfare spending.

10.Like Hitler, he was known to have a mustache. :)

Image



You are missing the point. Of course you can make comparisons between any two people and probably find similarities.

The point AB was trying to make is that there are some characteristics that hare particular to dictators, and whether or not our current president seems to be moving in that direction.


AB posted something someone else wrote who was trying to make a point, so this isn't really about AB.



EzraS
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 24 Sep 2013
Gender: Male
Posts: 27,828
Location: Twin Peaks

12 Oct 2019, 8:30 pm

Here is what makes this pretty much irrelevant imo. If Hitler had been just like Trump, he would have ended up as an obscure political figure for the most part.



beneficii
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 10 May 2005
Age: 40
Gender: Female
Posts: 7,245

12 Oct 2019, 8:59 pm

sly279 wrote:
Hitler supported gun control In name of safety too, Hitler even banned tables with corners. Hitler was all about government forcing its ideals on you for safety, much like Obama and every either democrat politician.

Obama’s posters were very similar to hitlers own from the elections.

Obama like Hitler got thousands to attend rallies.

He promised to swoop back in and seize the president office. Could you i,alone if bush made that promise as he left?

Some senators tried to pass law so Obama could be president for life and just keep running and running.

Obama expanded the illegal presidents powers, trump now uses to undue a lot of Obama did illegally.

Hs I have a pen and paper and I’ll do whatever I wanr attitude is very Hitler like.

He was to quote and add from leftists” literally black Hitler” :lol:

Was legitimately worried for while he would refuse to leave focus and use his pen and paper to declare an emergency


Actually, Hitler loosened gun control restrictions for "ordinary" Germans.

EDIT: Also, since gun registration lists were so poor, many Jews were still able to keep their guns:

https://www.politifact.com/florida/stat ... l-history/


_________________
"You have a responsibility to consider all sides of a problem and a responsibility to make a judgment and a responsibility to care for all involved." --Ian Danskin