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However you define it, just how important is being "Woke" to you?
If you're not Woke, you're worthless. 3%  3%  [ 1 ]
It's important, but not all-important. 16%  16%  [ 5 ]
Woke, schmoke ... where's my ice cream? 23%  23%  [ 7 ]
Unimportant, but worth knowing about. 16%  16%  [ 5 ]
Completely unimportant. 26%  26%  [ 8 ]
Other: ________________ (Please Explain). 16%  16%  [ 5 ]
Total votes : 31

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09 Nov 2019, 10:14 am

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Has anyone been pitting boomers and millennials against each other, or has this all come about as a result of rising house prices and other economic factors? Weren't the boomers a revolutionary generation back in the day, and isn't it inevitable that this generation will also become the establishment? Where does all the animosity come from, are previous generations just more complacent? Are we (generalisation) pompous? I sometimes think so.

Millennials are a poorer generation.

Thus, in the US, Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders are still around.

Fundamental to Socialist philosophy is to BLAME OTHERS for one's problems.

So, likely, such a millennial, will find blaming "boomers" very agreeable.


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09 Nov 2019, 10:49 am

"Wisdom – that being the skillset of a critical mind and solid judgment – comes from consistently exposing oneself to new and novel situations, in turn developing greater understanding of the world, those in it and how to solve evolving problems. When you close yourself off to new ways of looking at things; when you become conservative in mind – that being, a preference to shut down conversation and the potential for progress associated – you become intrinsically less likely to hold the requisite open, critical and creative ability to tackle unprecedented, evolving socio-political challenges.

Doing what we’ve always done will get us what we’ve always got. What we’ve got over the past few decades of governance, across the world, is an economic system that exploits both people and our planet. It just happens that the resulting devastating inequality and climate crises are only starting to be really and truly felt."

Attribution: New Zealand Member of Parliament Chloe Swarbrick, aged in her 20s, quoted in The Guardian (full article from this Green MP in today's edition)



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09 Nov 2019, 11:10 am

If my choice is being “woke” in the full-throttle SJW sense.....or being comfortably asleep.....I’d choose the latter.



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09 Nov 2019, 11:17 am

'Okay, Baby Boomer' We Need to Talk as linked below.

It's Easy to Fall Asleep to the Problems of others when one lives in a Feathered Nest.

Empathy When Practiced Breeds Compassionate Care At Best that is not Afraid of Disagreement.

It is Possible to Get So Comfortable in Life Where one no longer feels Progressive and becomes
Conservative of what is Earned when they were More Progressive; But really as Human Beings When
'Libido' Goes away people on average Naturally tend to become more disgusted about what is different
and what they do not understand.

Of course the Term 'Woke' is used many Ways as described in Just a Few ways in the Opening opinion here.

It's true, i've often Heard Conspiracy Theorists use Woke to Describe themselves; as well as New Age Type Enlightenment that is ongoing Ever Since the First 'Buddha' Guru Story for someone who transcends all Illusory Fears and Lives in an
Autotelic Generated Within Heaven Zen/Satori/Tao/Prana/Kundalini Yoga Rising State of Eternal Now Existence in Bliss and Nirvana of Life is really, really Good; oh God too, the list of Metaphors for this Essence of Human Experience is endless for the Oldest Definition of the Meme 'Woke' for Awake and No longer Asleep; yes, reborn this way still today.

Back to the Present use of the Term Woke for Social Justice in this Meme thread now; We all Need 'Religion' in Life;
What Binds Us together and gives us a Warm and Cozy Feeling of a Home for our Extraterrestrial Isolated Feeling
Souls in Life 'these days'; "Social Justice Woke" is 'Just' a New 'Jesus' Religion without Walls and a Ceiling. The Church
is online now in a place with no Sun or Moon; and for all practical intents and Purpose on 'Message Boards' now;
No time, distance, space or even Matter as far as how long a message will last in an ADHD/Twitter age of instant gratification. Football will get really boring; Church in Small/Large Buildings too; so now there is Social Extra Zealous Justice Woke online too.

There is another Problem; Animals Need 'Back Bones' to Live Confident and Secure; Back Bones that are resilient
to Stress of Change. The Truth is for an Animal Like a Human that is evolved to focus on one task giving that
Task 100 percent attention of Concentration to get the Job of Survival done (take your eye off the hunt you
may not eat or get eaten in Ancestral example given parenthetically here) is People are too distracted 'these
days' to even gain a compass of where or who they are as Social Human Animals As Classically Still Evolved now.

Social Justice is a Religion online that allows focus and togetherness on one 'Meme'.
It is comforting to pick a side and have a friend or two who believe as you do watching
the same 'TV Channel' 'these days'

i focus on Many Channels;

But When i focus it is one channel; A Tree that may have many branches to expand my Human Potential too.

The World of Humans is experiencing Growing Pains. Those Who Adapt as always will both Survive and Thrive.

My Suggestion is to Grow a Back Bone Being Fearless Enough to Love and take a Few Hard Knocks on the Journey
Like Rocky
and
don't
all the way
fall down like i did.

But true; i woke up and am born again now as an entirely different very nice Feral Human Being more like a Male 'Lioness'.

It's Worth Noting that Wild Wolves Get along Much Better in Life than Domesticated Wolves with Trapped Sheep for their meat.

I'll be the first to admit all my White Male First Baptist Looking Softball Home Run Hitter Law Enforcement Looking Dude
Privilege Now where No one ever cares now to even Question a 'Crazy Dance in Public' wherever i go still for 12,222 Miles in Public (talking about Stimming Privilege too) Just because of the way i look and carry myself with TOTAL ZEN confidence.

If i was a Black Dude i'd never get away with all this fun in Public Wherever i go; and that's still a fact that i do not like where i live.

i have in-law relatives in mixed marriages who have to Worry if a Cop Stops their Husband in a Park just for taking an isolated stroll; while the rest of the relatives are enjoying a Daughter's Birthday party; profiled, stopped and ID'ed by the
Cops in his Neighborhood just for driving a nice car.

It's not fair and it pisses me off sometimes and i like to vent it all out as it's not healthy to keep it in; i guess i'm this kinda woke too; but only if i get wound up; that's pretty rare; almost impossible; i really have to put my self in the mood to do it; and immediately escape in ease of just one meditative second movement because i'm 'Classically Woke' too with Smiles;

But Never ever Never ever mistake my Ballet for Weakness; when people ever do they learn quick all about my Shadow too.

A Back Bone is Required to Truly Wear Real Angel Wings too. That's Part of Why 'Incels' Create Comic Book/Biblical Hell Fire Sending Heroes And Play Violent Video Games and the such; what they are missing Requiring 'Super Natural Guns'; instead of 'Real Back Bone' the Oldest Way to Really Survive then Thrive. More than anything We Need a Loving Tribe with
All Natural Back Bone Again. Smart Phones and other all lit up screens won't hack it for the Species Long Term Survival.

Side Note: Obama as referenced in this thread Really Has A Back Bone; And So Do Many Women Much More Physically Weak than me. Trump Has No Back Bone; Strip him down to Naked with no Money and He is nothing; nothing at all.

That doesn't scare me either with smiles that I've proven over 20,000 Reps, too.

Dancing Naked is the Oldest way to establish Naked Back Bone; Ask any 'Male Lioness' and He will tell you true, too.

Toxic Patriarchy is Just another aspect of Nature; Any Male Lion Will You Show you that way of fair too eating Cubs
that are not his; To Be Clear when i say You; i am addressing everyone. Our Genetics Express in unlimited ways
depending on the Epigenetic Environment of course with innate factors too. All Is Fair in War and Love as it's reality
Dark thru Light Life; Love at Best Always.

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09 Nov 2019, 11:33 am

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"Wisdom – that being the skillset of a critical mind and solid judgment – comes from consistently exposing oneself to new and novel situations, in turn developing greater understanding of the world, those in it and how to solve evolving problems. When you close yourself off to new ways of looking at things; when you become conservative in mind – that being, a preference to shut down conversation and the potential for progress associated – you become intrinsically less likely to hold the requisite open, critical and creative ability to tackle unprecedented, evolving socio-political challenges.

Doing what we’ve always done will get us what we’ve always got. What we’ve got over the past few decades of governance, across the world, is an economic system that exploits both people and our planet. It just happens that the resulting devastating inequality and climate crises are only starting to be really and truly felt."

Attribution: New Zealand Member of Parliament Chloe Swarbrick, aged in her 20s, quoted in The Guardian (full article from this Green MP in today's edition)

It is a catch 22 situation. Be overly suspicious of change as we particularly are wired to be and either necessary improvements do not happen or we are personally left behind with problems most others have solved. Accept bad things because of the belief that all change is good and resistance is futile you get new problems often worse then the ones you solved.

Trump has identified and used real problems that resonate with people. The changes the Trump phenomenon has brought will either hurt America for to decades come or destroy her. While ideas that fall under the umbrella term “woke” predates the Trump phenomenon that phenomenon has made them resonate. I do think a lot of ideas and “woke” attitudes are dangerous. Dangerous in a different way the the Trump phenomenon but dangerous. Trump is just as bad or worse is not a reason not to criticize them as Obama did recently.

The problem is what change is good and what change is bad is not apparent until much later. Yet the change agents force choices to advocate, accept, ignore, or resist these ideas right now.


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09 Nov 2019, 12:02 pm

The trans thing is something that should be as simple as 1+1. Biological males compete against biological males and biological females compete against biological females. The end. There's a reason they don't. I have the deepest contempt for male to female transgenders who compete against biological females. They shouldn't be allowed to, and anyone found to be should be jailed. It's worse than doping. It's akin to theft via scam and should be dealt with in the same way.

There are other options for transpeople.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nyla_Rose

I found out she was trans because of her getting abuse for being a "man" in the women's division. But it's staged competition. So it's not unfair. I have absolutely no problem with this at all. This time I was angry with the abusers. Transwomen could also be things like backup dancers, circus performers, fitness trainers, actresses in physically demanding roles, etc. Pretty much anything physical where you're not in competition with other women to be the best.



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09 Nov 2019, 12:38 pm

The solution is simple.

The rules could DISQUALIFY people for whatever traits are deemed unfair.

If height > X, then NOT qualified.
If arm span > X, then NOT qualified.
If bone density > X, then NOT qualified.
If lung capacity > X, then NOT qualified.


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09 Nov 2019, 3:58 pm

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Has anyone been pitting boomers and millennials against each other, or has this all come about as a result of rising house prices and other economic factors? Weren't the boomers a revolutionary generation back in the day, and isn't it inevitable that this generation will also become the establishment? Where does all the animosity come from, are previous generations just more complacent? Are we (generalisation) pompous? I sometimes think so.


No, boomers were not a revolutionary generation. The vast majority of them were the same sheeple as their parents and their kids; certainly a few of them were genuinely 'revolutionary' but it's unfair to give the whole cohort credit for the accomplishments of a few. Most of them didn't take the stands that their entire generation is now given credit for, but if you didn't personally participate, you don't get credit just because you were born at the right time to have possibly taken a stand if you chose to. It's the making choice that matters.


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09 Nov 2019, 4:02 pm

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The trans thing is something that should be as simple as 1+1. Biological males compete against biological males and biological females compete against biological females. The end. There's a reason they don't. I have the deepest contempt for male to female transgenders who compete against biological females. They shouldn't be allowed to, and anyone found to be should be jailed. It's worse than doping. It's akin to theft via scam and should be dealt with in the same way.


So basically, if they're athletically capable, if they wish to compete in that sport and be recognized as their actual gender they should be treated like criminals? I hope you don't complain too much when you're fairly labelled as a bigot. This really seems like your real goal is to simply invalidate transgender individuals from being accepted for who they are.

Among things, someone who transitions doesn't have hormone levels similar to someone of the same biological sex who isn't, so MtF/transwomen would be at a significant disadvantage if they competed as men. Basically they'll be in a position of potentially being superior to women if they compete as women but guaranteed to be at a disadvantage if competing as men.

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While in my 20s, I ran a marathon in 2:23, and later transitioned to female. Within nine months of starting hormone therapy in 2004, I was running 12% slower; serious male runners are 10-12% faster than equally serious female ones. In 2015, I published a study of eight trans women distance runners who competed at a similar level as men before transition and as women after transition. To be clear, this is a small study of only one sport.


https://www.theguardian.com/sport/blog/2019/apr/01/sports-transgender-debate-compromise-not-conflict


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09 Nov 2019, 4:03 pm

It's a way to put your thumb in your backside and get praised for it. I'm much more interested in what people actually 'do', not what they say they believe.


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09 Nov 2019, 4:05 pm

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domineekee wrote:
Has anyone been pitting boomers and millennials against each other, or has this all come about as a result of rising house prices and other economic factors? Weren't the boomers a revolutionary generation back in the day, and isn't it inevitable that this generation will also become the establishment? Where does all the animosity come from, are previous generations just more complacent? Are we (generalisation) pompous? I sometimes think so.

Millennials are a poorer generation.

Thus, in the US, Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders are still around.

Fundamental to Socialist philosophy is to BLAME OTHERS for one's problems.

So, likely, such a millennial, will find blaming "boomers" very agreeable.


Let's ignore whether there's any truth to this blaming and just pretend like it's merely the result of ideology. It's a shame deflections aren't actually rebuttals.


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09 Nov 2019, 4:25 pm

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Drake wrote:
The trans thing is something that should be as simple as 1+1. Biological males compete against biological males and biological females compete against biological females. The end. There's a reason they don't. I have the deepest contempt for male to female transgenders who compete against biological females. They shouldn't be allowed to, and anyone found to be should be jailed. It's worse than doping. It's akin to theft via scam and should be dealt with in the same way.


So basically, if they're athletically capable, if they wish to compete in that sport and be recognized as their actual gender they should be treated like criminals? I hope you don't complain too much when you're fairly labelled as a bigot. This really seems like your real goal is to simply invalidate transgender individuals from being accepted for who they are.

Among things, someone who transitions doesn't have hormone levels similar to someone of the same biological sex who isn't, so MtF/transwomen would be at a significant disadvantage if they competed as men. Basically they'll be in a position of potentially being superior to women if they compete as women but guaranteed to be at a disadvantage if competing as men.

Quoted for relevance:
domineekee wrote:
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While in my 20s, I ran a marathon in 2:23, and later transitioned to female. Within nine months of starting hormone therapy in 2004, I was running 12% slower; serious male runners are 10-12% faster than equally serious female ones. In 2015, I published a study of eight trans women distance runners who competed at a similar level as men before transition and as women after transition. To be clear, this is a small study of only one sport.


https://www.theguardian.com/sport/blog/2019/apr/01/sports-transgender-debate-compromise-not-conflict

Well, good thing I'm not a bigot, so I don't have to worry about being fairly labelled one.

So why is it okay for them to be superior to women, but not okay for them to be inferior to men, but okay for the biological women to be inferior?



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09 Nov 2019, 5:45 pm

Drake wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
Drake wrote:
The trans thing is something that should be as simple as 1+1. Biological males compete against biological males and biological females compete against biological females. The end. There's a reason they don't. I have the deepest contempt for male to female transgenders who compete against biological females. They shouldn't be allowed to, and anyone found to be should be jailed. It's worse than doping. It's akin to theft via scam and should be dealt with in the same way.


So basically, if they're athletically capable, if they wish to compete in that sport and be recognized as their actual gender they should be treated like criminals? I hope you don't complain too much when you're fairly labelled as a bigot. This really seems like your real goal is to simply invalidate transgender individuals from being accepted for who they are.

Among things, someone who transitions doesn't have hormone levels similar to someone of the same biological sex who isn't, so MtF/transwomen would be at a significant disadvantage if they competed as men. Basically they'll be in a position of potentially being superior to women if they compete as women but guaranteed to be at a disadvantage if competing as men.

Quoted for relevance:
domineekee wrote:
Quote:
While in my 20s, I ran a marathon in 2:23, and later transitioned to female. Within nine months of starting hormone therapy in 2004, I was running 12% slower; serious male runners are 10-12% faster than equally serious female ones. In 2015, I published a study of eight trans women distance runners who competed at a similar level as men before transition and as women after transition. To be clear, this is a small study of only one sport.


https://www.theguardian.com/sport/blog/2019/apr/01/sports-transgender-debate-compromise-not-conflict

Well, good thing I'm not a bigot, so I don't have to worry about being fairly labelled one.

So why is it okay for them to be superior to women, but not okay for them to be inferior to men, but okay for the biological women to be inferior?



Because it's not woke :lol: :lol: :lol:


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09 Nov 2019, 6:19 pm

Persephone29 wrote:
Drake wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
Drake wrote:
The trans thing is something that should be as simple as 1+1. Biological males compete against biological males and biological females compete against biological females. The end. There's a reason they don't. I have the deepest contempt for male to female transgenders who compete against biological females. They shouldn't be allowed to, and anyone found to be should be jailed. It's worse than doping. It's akin to theft via scam and should be dealt with in the same way.


So basically, if they're athletically capable, if they wish to compete in that sport and be recognized as their actual gender they should be treated like criminals? I hope you don't complain too much when you're fairly labelled as a bigot. This really seems like your real goal is to simply invalidate transgender individuals from being accepted for who they are.

Among things, someone who transitions doesn't have hormone levels similar to someone of the same biological sex who isn't, so MtF/transwomen would be at a significant disadvantage if they competed as men. Basically they'll be in a position of potentially being superior to women if they compete as women but guaranteed to be at a disadvantage if competing as men.

Quoted for relevance:
domineekee wrote:
Quote:
While in my 20s, I ran a marathon in 2:23, and later transitioned to female. Within nine months of starting hormone therapy in 2004, I was running 12% slower; serious male runners are 10-12% faster than equally serious female ones. In 2015, I published a study of eight trans women distance runners who competed at a similar level as men before transition and as women after transition. To be clear, this is a small study of only one sport.


https://www.theguardian.com/sport/blog/2019/apr/01/sports-transgender-debate-compromise-not-conflict

Well, good thing I'm not a bigot, so I don't have to worry about being fairly labelled one.

So why is it okay for them to be superior to women, but not okay for them to be inferior to men, but okay for the biological women to be inferior?



Because it's not woke :lol: :lol: :lol:

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09 Nov 2019, 8:39 pm

funeralxempire wrote:
LoveNotHate wrote:
domineekee wrote:
Has anyone been pitting boomers and millennials against each other, or has this all come about as a result of rising house prices and other economic factors? Weren't the boomers a revolutionary generation back in the day, and isn't it inevitable that this generation will also become the establishment? Where does all the animosity come from, are previous generations just more complacent? Are we (generalisation) pompous? I sometimes think so.

Millennials are a poorer generation.

Thus, in the US, Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders are still around.

Fundamental to Socialist philosophy is to BLAME OTHERS for one's problems.

So, likely, such a millennial, will find blaming "boomers" very agreeable.


Let's ignore whether there's any truth to this blaming and just pretend like it's merely the result of ideology. It's a shame deflections aren't actually rebuttals.

The "truth" can be argued either way.

However, the BLAME OTHER PEOPLE mindset is contagious.

Blame your country
Blame rich people.
Blame your employer.
Blame Wall Street.
Blame Banks.
Blame Capitalism.
Blame Free Markets.
Blame foreign workers.
Blame your circumstances
Heck, blame BABY BOOMERS.

Sanders and Warren's theme song … WHATEVER YOU DO, DONT PUT THE BLAME ON YOU


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