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02 Jan 2020, 3:11 am

I found an interesting paper in Topics in Cognitive Science, titled "The Ethics of Belief, Cognition, and Climate Change Pseudoskepticism: Implications for Public Discourse" and is written by Lawrence Torcello. Here is a link to the full text article here:

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/ful ... tops.12179

A lot of people on this forum and elsewhere who do not have qualifications in climate change tend to make simple claims showing a few pieces of evidence, and assert that this means that the scientists are either stupid or lying and that climate change is not happening. However, as the source above states:

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Non‐experts hold a considerable disadvantage with regard to methodological training and experience, but rather than realizing this, pseudoskeptics may take their lack of training as a virtue. A virtue that, or so they may believe, frees them from the traps of professional “groupthink.” For this reason, non‐experts wishing to deny anthropogenic global warming sometimes reference historic figures like Galileo as evidence that a scientific consensus can be wrong. Yet figures like Galileo and other thinkers of his time are responsible for ushering in the modern age of experimental research that has driven the very need for advanced‐level training separating professional researchers from the lay public. It is consistent with the Dunning–Kruger effect that those evoking Galileo and other historic figures do not know enough about science, and its history, to understand the error of their comparison.


It can be tempting to call these people "skeptics", but as the article warns:

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Consequently, when we refer to the denial of well‐established scientific consensus as skepticism, we invite confusion. Overgeneralizing and misusing the term skepticism is damaging to informed public discourse in at least two ways: (a) Insofar as many people have a nebulous sense that skepticism is good, pseudoskeptics win a rhetorical advantage by portraying themselves as skeptical in contrast to “mainstream” scientific research, which they portray as dogmatically set against their skeptical challenge. (b) Because reasoned skepticism is a crucial component of the scientific process, misuse of the term skepticism—to mean any form of doubting something, for any reason—chips away at an understanding of how science actually works, which should be regarded as the core of scientific literacy (Holbrook & Rannikmae, 2009). This point is important because in cases of science denial not explained by motivated reasoning or ideological bias, the rejection of settled science may simply involve ignorance of the scientific process and the epistemic significance of consensus in science (Cook & Lewandowsky, 2016; Galesic, Kause, & Gaissmaier, 2016; Hahn, Harris, & Corner, 2016; Joslyn & LeClerc, 2016; Newell et al., 2016; Ranney & Clark, 2016). Thus, one of the dangers of pseudoskepticism is its potential to mislead the uninformed.


Thus, we should refer to it as pseudoskepticism, which Torcello describes thusly:

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In contrast to the cases above, the form of science denialism I wish to explore below is what I refer to as pseudoskepticism. When scientific consensus is rejected by non‐experts who naively consider themselves more scientifically astute than the collective scientific community, it is appropriately labeled pseudoskepticism. Pseudoskepticism, I argue, may be influenced by, though perhaps not exclusively, the following two factors: (a) ignorance of the scientific process and (b) ideologically motivated reasoning (as opposed to the exercise of faith).


So how, then, must we evaluate arguments? Torcello further explains:

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It is thus necessary that one be able to recognize appropriate expertise in science when such expertise exists. The philosopher Alvin Goldman has examined some of the criteria of use to non‐experts in their efforts to discern appropriate scientific expertise. The first criterion introduced by Goldman involves straightforwardly assessing the quality of arguments presented by the alleged expert (Goldman, 2001). This, as philosopher Massimo Pigliucci points out, is sometimes possible for an intelligent and informed layperson to assess, but it becomes increasingly difficult as information becomes more technical (Pigliucci, 2010). For this reason, it is important to look for agreement among other experts in the field (Goldman, 2001; Pigliucci, 2010).

This requires that one pay attention to the credentials an alleged expert has, and evidence that they are performing their role as experts in as unbiased a fashion as possible. In addition, researchers who have achieved a strong record of accomplishment in their field, as judged by their peers, deserve to have their opinions weighted more heavily than less accomplished experts (Goldman, 2001; Pigliucci, 2010). There is reason to be cautious if a given expert is employed by a corporation that benefits from that expert's promotion of evidence conducive to the latter's corporate agenda (Pigliucci, 2010). An obvious example is if a scientist, with legitimate expertise, is positing contrarian views regarding anthropogenic climate change while being paid by an oil company for consultation work. Another example is if a scientist receives private funding from corporate entities with an obvious stake in particular findings. This is why it is crucial for scientists to make such conflicts of interest known and it is a serious ethical concern when conflicts of interest are not declared. The possibility always exists that individual experts can be wrong or inappropriately influenced. It is all the more important for the layperson to defer to the consensus opinion of experts, when available, since a community of experts is less vulnerable in the aggregate to inappropriate influence than any one individual.

None of this is epistemically perfect and all of it requires some initial ability to identify relevant matters (like the existence of relevant educational credentials). Despite the legitimate challenges poised for the layperson in assessing expertise, there are some cases where determining expertise is relatively straightforward. In cases like anthropogenic climate change, the existence of an Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), organized independently of any one group's agenda, and tasked with sorting through the global body of research related to climate change, makes it easier for the lay person to know where to turn for good information. IPCC reports are widely publicized and available online for easy access to policy makers and the general public.


I thought this was an interesting look at how laypeople should approach scientific information, and the dangers of thinking you can strike out on your own and quickly be just as astute as the experts in the field, which can lead you into pseudoskepticism.


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02 Jan 2020, 3:34 am

Climate change is not science, because they don't produce verifiable data.

They don't produce any data at all.

They produce subjective models of data.

This is how their models can vary so much, because of the personal biases of the researcher.


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02 Jan 2020, 4:10 am

TheRobotLives wrote:
Climate change is not science, because they don't produce verifiable data.

They don't produce any data at all.

They produce subjective models of data.

This is how their models can vary so much, because of the personal biases of the researcher.

Exhibit A! Everything you’ve said here is wrong.



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02 Jan 2020, 4:39 am

The_Walrus wrote:
TheRobotLives wrote:
Climate change is not science, because they don't produce verifiable data.

They don't produce any data at all.

They produce subjective models of data.

This is how their models can vary so much, because of the personal biases of the researcher.

Exhibit A! Everything you’ve said here is wrong.


Why is it wrong?



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02 Jan 2020, 5:16 am

I believe in Climate Change because Greta Thunberg has Aspergers and she is the youth leader of climate change.



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02 Jan 2020, 5:41 am

Which begs the question, is there such a thing as pseudobelief?



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02 Jan 2020, 7:18 am

EzraS wrote:
Which begs the question, is there such a thing as pseudobelief?

In absolute objective thought, it doesn't exist.

Otherwise, you have to make reasonable assumptions about the future.

They are reasonable.

However, they are assumptions.


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02 Jan 2020, 7:32 am

My backside is firmly sat on the wall dividing "Climate change catastrophe is real' and "No it isn't" . Truth is I don't know enough to come to any solid conclusion on the issue.

Berating the general public because of it's lack of knowledge on the issue is not a particularly intelligent thing to do , unless a concerted effort to impart knowledge on the issue in terms the average person can comprehend is made .


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02 Jan 2020, 7:32 am

TheRobotLives wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Which begs the question, is there such a thing as pseudobelief?

In absolute objective thought, it doesn't exist.

Otherwise, you have to make reasonable assumptions about the future.

They are reasonable.

However, they are assumptions.

In middle school, I had a tall 6' 7 teacher, Mr. G.

One day he asked us, "Why did you sit in your chair without checking if it would support your weight"?

We responded something like, "We knew it would".

He warned us, "You couldn't of know that, and one day it will break".

Mr. G probably broke some chairs in his lifetime.

People like him, instead of being called, "critical thinkers", are labeled, "science skeptics". :)


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02 Jan 2020, 7:43 am

Why don’t the skeptics (They are not “pseudoskeptics”—they are truly skeptics)want there to be climate change?

Frankly, I’m not going to change my ways because of climate change. That doesn’t mean climate change is not staring me in the face.



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02 Jan 2020, 8:11 am

I live in Illinois, and I wish we had more "global warming" over here, because the weather has been lousy for the past several years.



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02 Jan 2020, 10:08 am

TheRobotLives wrote:
TheRobotLives wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Which begs the question, is there such a thing as pseudobelief?

In absolute objective thought, it doesn't exist.

Otherwise, you have to make reasonable assumptions about the future.

They are reasonable.

However, they are assumptions.

In middle school, I had a tall 6' 7 teacher, Mr. G.

One day he asked us, "Why did you sit in your chair without checking if it would support your weight"?

We responded something like, "We knew it would".

He warned us, "You couldn't of know that, and one day it will break".

Mr. G probably broke some chairs in his lifetime.

People like him, instead of being called, "critical thinkers", are labeled, "science skeptics". :)


That's exactly what humanity's been doing - using the earth's "chairs" (resources etc) not knowing when the camel's back will start taking strain from the constant accumulative disruptions caused by our activities. It's not exactly a new thing but the effects of abuse are starting to show, like a big house left for unruly children to play in without supervision. We're at the point now where it is getting a bit late for the frog to jump from the gradually but increasingly warming pot.


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02 Jan 2020, 10:13 am

One thing to keep in mind: Mother Nature is an incredibly resilient entity.



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02 Jan 2020, 10:38 am

TheRobotLives wrote:
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EzraS wrote:
Which begs the question, is there such a thing as pseudobelief?

In absolute objective thought, it doesn't exist.

Otherwise, you have to make reasonable assumptions about the future.

They are reasonable.

However, they are assumptions.

In middle school, I had a tall 6' 7 teacher, Mr. G.

One day he asked us, "Why did you sit in your chair without checking if it would support your weight"?

We responded something like, "We knew it would".

He warned us, "You couldn't of know that, and one day it will break".

Mr. G probably broke some chairs in his lifetime.

People like him, instead of being called, "critical thinkers", are labeled, "science skeptics". :)


planets aren't chairs, if that's the point you're attempting to make

the world is literally burning up and it doesn't give a f**k if people are skeptical about it or not


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02 Jan 2020, 10:42 am

If uncertain , as I am , my default mode would be to err on the side of caution . The question then is what can be done , as an individual , that's not too complicated but has a positive impact .


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02 Jan 2020, 10:50 am

TheRobotLives wrote:
TheRobotLives wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Which begs the question, is there such a thing as pseudobelief?

In absolute objective thought, it doesn't exist.

Otherwise, you have to make reasonable assumptions about the future.

They are reasonable.

However, they are assumptions.

In middle school, I had a tall 6' 7 teacher, Mr. G.

One day he asked us, "Why did you sit in your chair without checking if it would support your weight"?

We responded something like, "We knew it would".

He warned us, "You couldn't of know that, and one day it will break".

Mr. G probably broke some chairs in his lifetime.

People like him, instead of being called, "critical thinkers", are labeled, "science skeptics". :)

Those kids are chair breaking science deniers, cancel them


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