An alternative hypothesis regarding the origin of Covid-19

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10 Apr 2020, 6:10 pm



As always remain sceptical, but it's an interesting take.


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10 Apr 2020, 8:04 pm

No, the coronavirus wasn’t made in a lab. A genetic analysis shows it’s from nature
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.sciencenews.org/article/coronavirus-covid-19-not-human-made-lab-genetic-analysis-nature/amp



https://www.allsides.com/news-source/epoch-times-media-bias

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The Epoch Times' Self-Proclaimed Anti-Communist Bias
The Epoch Times has a self-proclaimed anti-communist bias and stands for traditional values and awareness of virtues.

"We stand against the systematic destruction of traditional culture by destructive ideologies such as communism, which continues to harm societies around the world," according to The Epoch Times "About" page. "We are inspired in this mission by our own experience. The Epoch Times was founded in 2000 to bring honest and uncensored news to people oppressed by the lies and violence of communism. Fulfilling this mission is our passion and our greatest honor."



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10 Apr 2020, 8:10 pm

I'm not a scientist, but I'm still skeptical that the science is settled as to whether the virus is entirely of natural origin.



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10 Apr 2020, 8:20 pm

No, this virus isn’t a bioweapon
https://www.newscientist.com/term/coronavirus-come-lab/

The coronavirus did not escape from a lab. Here's how we know.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.livescience.com/amp/coronavirus-not-human-made-in-lab.html

Sorry, conspiracy theorists. Study concludes COVID-19 'is not a laboratory construct
https://www.google.com/amp/s/abcnews.go.com/amp/US/conspiracy-theorists-study-concludes-covid-19-laboratory-construct/story%3fid=69827832

New findings from the Scripps Research Institute confirm the SARS-CoV-2 coronavirus has natural origins
https://www.labmate-online.com/news/laboratory-products/3/breaking-news/is-covid-19-man-made-or-natural/51980



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10 Apr 2020, 8:26 pm

domineekee wrote:
No, the coronavirus wasn’t made in a lab. A genetic analysis shows it’s from nature
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.sciencenews.org/article/coronavirus-covid-19-not-human-made-lab-genetic-analysis-nature/amp



https://www.allsides.com/news-source/epoch-times-media-bias
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The Epoch Times' Self-Proclaimed Anti-Communist Bias
The Epoch Times has a self-proclaimed anti-communist bias and stands for traditional values and awareness of virtues.

"We stand against the systematic destruction of traditional culture by destructive ideologies such as communism, which continues to harm societies around the world," according to The Epoch Times "About" page. "We are inspired in this mission by our own experience. The Epoch Times was founded in 2000 to bring honest and uncensored news to people oppressed by the lies and violence of communism. Fulfilling this mission is our passion and our greatest honor."


The Epoch Times is actually a media arm of the Falun Gong movement (an oppressed spiritual movement in China). They maybe a sympathetic group, but even so one needs to take what their news outlet says about Bejing with a pillar of salt.



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10 Apr 2020, 9:04 pm

this needs serious consideration , am famiar with the science shown in the video, appears VERY fact based from my own previous 10 yr research on how bacteria and viruses work in the human body.
Due to my own situations . And methodogies ofhow gov. put their hands into biowarfare stuff.
That has not changed since WW2 that i am aware of. This type ofstuff has historical precedent.
If you disregard last 3-4 mins of this video , am thinking it has merit .China has no other way of leveling the economic playing field .
please consider carefully ,, just my thoughts


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10 Apr 2020, 11:33 pm

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The Epoch Times has a self-proclaimed anti-communist bias

So, they're basically the opposite of the American mainstream media.


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11 Apr 2020, 12:26 am

Jakki wrote:
China has no other way of leveling the economic playing field .

China has lots of ways of levelling the economic field. This isn’t one of them.



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11 Apr 2020, 12:58 pm

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Jakki wrote:
China has no other way of leveling the economic playing field .

China has lots of ways of levelling the economic field. This isn’t one of them.

??? another hypothesis please?
they have excess population comparatively .We recent imposed sanctions on exporting of high tech information . If you undo the population and economy of a more successful country by disease process, And that countries population is smaller than your own countries . Your losses of working personnel of your smaller country might mitigate your countries ability to act in the global economic sector ?????


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11 Apr 2020, 1:17 pm

Jakki wrote:
The_Walrus wrote:
Jakki wrote:
China has no other way of leveling the economic playing field .

China has lots of ways of levelling the economic field. This isn’t one of them.

??? another hypothesis please?
they have excess population comparatively .We recent imposed sanctions on exporting of high tech information . If you undo the population and economy of a more successful country by disease process, And that countries population is smaller than your own countries . Your losses of working personnel of your smaller country might mitigate your countries ability to act in the global economic sector ?????

All the scientific journals are saying it's natural, not engineered. There are links in the previous comments.



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11 Apr 2020, 3:22 pm

domineekee wrote:
Jakki wrote:
The_Walrus wrote:
Jakki wrote:
China has no other way of leveling the economic playing field .

China has lots of ways of levelling the economic field. This isn’t one of them.

??? another hypothesis please?
they have excess population comparatively .We recent imposed sanctions on exporting of high tech information . If you undo the population and economy of a more successful country by disease process, And that countries population is smaller than your own countries . Your losses of working personnel of your smaller country might mitigate your countries ability to act in the global economic sector ?????

All the scientific journals are saying it's natural, not engineered. There are links in the previous comments.

either had problems with your links not addressing the science behind the method of development nor did they name , names of specific personnel doing the research . Had keen recognition of the type of process of the development of this pathogen .. It was uncanny how much of what i saw on the video were qualified years ago as processes by which to weaponize a virus or bacteria, And efforts to make them resistant , in vivo to be destroyed by normal antibiotic administration methods . There already exists from 1975 based on USA miltary research designed bacteria , with the same develop outter shell , to preserve them if they attacked by normal immune function or exposure to a adverse environment . Aswell as having made them resistant to almost all antibiotic regimen . The statements made in that video , also mimic some of the public information about the specific type of antiviral , recently used to treat HIV . Would be the medicine to treat this stuff .Maybe coincidence but that info blurb about the type of antiviral appeared breifly on KCTV news channel. think it was rencycloveir . pardon my spelling please.


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11 Apr 2020, 4:21 pm

https://www.fredhutch.org/en/news/cente ... ience.html

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The downside became apparent on Jan. 31, after a group of researchers at the Indian Institutes of Technology posted on bioRxiv an analysis that purported to find an “uncanny similarity” between tiny segments of the virus' genes to sequences found in HIV — implying that new virus could be a laboratory-generated mutant. The authors posted a link to their paper on Twitter, and their claim gained attention globally.

Within hours, Bedford and other genomics experts posted fierce criticism of the bioRxiv paper. They pointed out that these same short sequences can be matched in coronaviruses previously found in wild bats and are commonplace in nature. If you searched for these short sequences in gene libraries, you’ll spot them “throughout the tree of life,” Bedford said later in an interview.

The chastened authors marked their paper “withdrawn” two days later, but a contagion of weak science and outright falsehoods had been unleashed. Freely available to anyone, the story morphed and blossomed on the websites of conspiracy theorists who headlined that “Scientists Confirm” the virus was “Man-Made.”

“In the scientific realm, things corrected themselves very quickly. That’s exactly how you want science to happen,” Bedford said. “But the post was picked up by various websites that are outside of the scientific dialog, and it doesn’t seem to be easily squashed.”


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*Dr. Trevor Bedford
Dr. Trevor Bedford, an evolutionary biologist at Fred Hutchinson Cancer Research Center, uses computers to study the spread of viruses.


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The center has employed three recipients of the Nobel Prize in physiology or medicine:

Linda Buck, Ph.D., who received the award in 2004 for solving many details of the olfactory system;[17] and
E. Donnall Thomas, M.D., who received the award in 1990 for his pioneering work in bone-marrow transplantation and who died in 2012;[18][19] and
Lee Hartwell, Ph.D., who received the honor in 2001 for his discoveries regarding the mechanisms that control cell division.[20] After retiring from leading the center in 2010, Hartwell left to join Arizona State University.[21]



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11 Apr 2020, 5:27 pm

I don't know about the bioweapon theory, but I'm very willing to entertain the lab escape theory over the bat-less seafood market one.


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11 Apr 2020, 5:33 pm

Jakki wrote:
domineekee wrote:
Jakki wrote:
The_Walrus wrote:
Jakki wrote:
China has no other way of leveling the economic playing field .

China has lots of ways of levelling the economic field. This isn’t one of them.

??? another hypothesis please?
they have excess population comparatively .We recent imposed sanctions on exporting of high tech information . If you undo the population and economy of a more successful country by disease process, And that countries population is smaller than your own countries . Your losses of working personnel of your smaller country might mitigate your countries ability to act in the global economic sector ?????

All the scientific journals are saying it's natural, not engineered. There are links in the previous comments.

either had problems with your links not addressing the science behind the method of development nor did they name , names of specific personnel doing the research . Had keen recognition of the type of process of the development of this pathogen .. It was uncanny how much of what i saw on the video were qualified years ago as processes by which to weaponize a virus or bacteria, And efforts to make them resistant , in vivo to be destroyed by normal antibiotic administration methods . There already exists from 1975 based on USA miltary research designed bacteria , with the same develop outter shell , to preserve them if they attacked by normal immune function or exposure to a adverse environment . Aswell as having made them resistant to almost all antibiotic regimen . The statements made in that video , also mimic some of the public information about the specific type of antiviral , recently used to treat HIV . Would be the medicine to treat this stuff .Maybe coincidence but that info blurb about the type of antiviral appeared breifly on KCTV news channel. think it was rencycloveir . pardon my spelling please.


The field of science can be interconnected with the field of media/advertising in that both can provide services requested by a specific benefactor or benefactors.

An example: Irradiated meat and vegetables. The industry responsible for that paid scientists to study and media to report favorably on irradiation. "It's good for us!" Same thing with the GMO industry. "Many scientists agree, GMO is harmless."

It's very hard to do, but tracing research back to the source of funding (whose paying for the research or in the case of the pandemic who is directing or asking those scientists who say it's naturally derived?

My point is I don't think it's settled just because some scientists say very early on: "It's naturally derived. Nothing to see here. Case closed." It's such a terrible occurrence to the human race, the likes of which we haven't seen in a century that I believe it merits to remain inquisitive and to continue to question the origin of this virus. There's too much at stake not to hold China severely accountable if they did play any part in the creation of this virus.



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11 Apr 2020, 5:34 pm

Mikah wrote:
I don't know about the bioweapon theory, but I'm very willing to entertain the lab escape theory over the bat-less seafood market one.

well yeah, the lab in question is only 280 meters away from the seafood market.



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11 Apr 2020, 6:04 pm

Magna wrote:
My point is I don't think it's settled just because some scientists say very early on: "It's naturally derived. Nothing to see here. Case closed."

Exactly. When you start to see the left-wing networks put up headlines like "Sorry, conspiracy theorists. Study concludes COVID-19 'is not a laboratory construct'" — that just screams out that there is in fact more to the story and they're trying to get people to not even ask questions.

Knowing exactly where the current Covid strain(s) infecting humans came from will depend on a detailed phylogenetic analysis, and the precision of the determination will depend on the density of sampling from different potential sources – and that would include the many strains that would have been kept in the Wuhan virology labs as part of normal research. You're never going to get access to that, and most of the market itself was also destroyed or sterilized, so you're not going to get dense sampling there either. The Communist-friendly media will spin it as "not a weapon, case closed, if you keep asking questions you're obviously a 'conspiracy theorist.'"


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