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18 May 2020, 3:26 pm

I realize that a lot of you are not Christian. I guess the issue of debate whether Christianity is true or not is a good topic for a different thread. I don't want to derail this specific thread though. So, in order not to derail it, it is mainly addressed to my fellow Christians. With this preamble, here it goes:

Lets put side by side the following two considerations:

1. Since mark of the beast has to do with "buying and selling" it has to be something physical

2. Since the mention of the mark of the beast is together with the mention of *worshiping* the beast, it has to be something spiritual

So how can it be both physical and spiritual at the same time? I think the microchip implant will control brain waves, thats how. In other words, microchip will have multiple functions. On the one hand it will act like a credit card, so that people will be able to buy and sell with it. On the other hand, it will send signals to the brain to produce spiritual experiences and those spiritual experiences will amount to "worshiping" the beast, and they will also prevent people from repenting and turning back to Christ.



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18 May 2020, 3:29 pm

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How can it be both physical and spiritual at the same time?


Spinoza.

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I think the microchip implant will control brain waves, thats how. In other words, microchip will have multiple functions. On the one hand it will act like a credit card, so that people will be able to buy and sell with it. On the other hand, it will send signals to the brain to produce spiritual experiences and those spiritual experiences will amount to "worshiping" the beast, and they will also prevent people from repenting and turning back to Christ.


Aside from form (the microchip), is this different from how things are now?


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18 May 2020, 6:56 pm

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Aside from form (the microchip), is this different from how things are now?
No, not really.

If, by getting "chipped", you get a discount on all purchases you make in-person, that alone will will be a rewarding experience.  Throw in special offers customized for your specific interests (determined by your previous purchases) and invitations to join special purchasing "clubs", you may be inspired to believe that the Great Chip Maker actually cares about you, especially after the GCM starts "suggesting" changes in your diet and medications "to enhance your health and well-being".

The "spirit" of commercialism (e.g., Mammon) will then be in full control of your life.

Just keep in mind that getting "chipped" and living in a cashless society is just the next step beyond waving your smartphone at the cash register, and only two steps removed from paying by credit-card.


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18 May 2020, 9:27 pm

So I think you can look at the Revelation of John in a couple ways:

1) Historical - projecting the rise and fall of the Roman Empire as well as dealing with the turmoil of the sacking Jerusalemm.

2) Archetypal - emergent systems hijacking and turning on their makers, even in a bit of the Percy / Mary Shelley sense.


In the second especially - ever after 2012 it seems like the secular sense of doom has increased and I'd have to place it at the feet of a certain dynamic that looks like an evolutionary arms race. Talking about things like Neuralink it seems like Elon Musk on one hand is trying to figure out ways to outsmart it so we at least humanize the AI and hopefully pass on as much if not more cooperation than competition.

It could be that all of this just peacefully fizzles out over some oblique bend in history, maybe Covid might be the start of it attenuating, but I think there is some concern that we could be taken rather rapidly, just as an artifact of game theory, down some very dangerous paths and it's really the accelerating technology rather than anything new about human beings (or rather it seems like it's the very lack of anything new about human beings to match the tech).


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18 May 2020, 10:29 pm



Heroes and Villains; Common Archetypes Among Human Beings Journeying Life;
Most Often Villains are lacking A Conscience And Even Enjoy the pain of others;
Perfect Example of this Everything Against Love is the Villain Weak Leader Example of Trump;
On the Other Hand, According to Isaiah 53, another Archetypal Story of the Hero is Common too;
Coming Out of Darkness, Outcast; Stepping into the Light of Day and Night; Helping Other Folks Arrive in Light too;
In Other Words, the Good Place of Hope and Love Where Faith and Belief Do Equal the Agape Force of Love; Hmm,
The Catholic Church at least Acknowledges that the Account of Revelation Is an Historical Account of the Persecution
of Early Christians by the Romans; more namely Nero as the Beast; the Villain, the Early Christians Saw persecuting them
then. Of course when one is Writing a Discourse about An Enemy who is in charge of whether one lives or dies; one must
find some cryptic kind of way to get a Message through, so one will not be found out and Killed for dissent against the
Villain Leader; or the Villain's 'Minions'; The Deplorable's Who May be Out to Get one too. True, These Days We Will
Most All Laugh at
The Current
Weak Version of
a 'Nero Trump' as realistically
For Many People He is a Non-Issue
for now at least in their Life; Basically
Just a Clown To Laugh at Who Doesn't seem
to have a clue how to even smile sincerely without
doing his best to use someone else as a tool; seemingly,
Getting Off on the Pain of others, True too; in everyday life;
if one who has a feathered enough Nest, does not answer to his
Demands of Everyday Worship in the Chain of Work Commands, now;
Really, He is a Non-issue; so, there is not nearly the Fear that we might
otherwise experience with a Seasoned Villain with 'Real Putin Balls' Who Doesn't care
Who Worships Him as He or She Masters everything about their Life in Fearless Way;
sure, using folks as tools too; Anyway, the Problem with Worshipping Stories in Books is
at core Human Words are Metaphors; and anyone may take an Abstract Construct of a Word
And A Story and Twist and Turn it to meet their every confirmation bias of Life; Smiles, Born on 6.6.60
Subject to 'Onward Marching Christian Soldiers' from the earlier Days of Life in a Place oF iGNorance in Twisting
And Turning Stories in Old Books to meet Current Confirmation Bias; as either Taught or solely imagined; The
'Omen' Movie in Secular way made folks believe that Having Sixes in a Birthdate signals someone is the Devil Incarnate;
seriously, i've dealt
with this kind of
Ignorance over the
course of my life; getting
carded for a Beer at age 40;
Still Carded when the Bars were
open by the Audience of my Dance
to Prove someone who will move smooth
like me is close to 60 Years-Old on 6.6.2020;
but Yes, back then when the Omen Movie was still Fresh
enough in 'Onward Marching Christian Soldier Walmart Cashier's Think Tank';
They looked at me in fear when they saw, 6.6.60, on my Driver's License then.
Honestly, worrying about what a Story Says About some conflicts 1800 or 1900 Years
ago; is not really a logical thing to do now; Particularly, when recognized Churches at
'the top of the Heap' admit that it is only a Historical Account With General Archetypal
Meanings as that Relates to Folks Who Live by Love, and those who do not; Generally
Speaking, Leaders without Empathy Eventually Fail; as of course they don't have what it takes
to Lift folks up with Empathy More Than Cold of nothing at all Warm About Life; We are seeing
that 'Anti-Christ'
Fall Now Yes the
"Orange Man of Perdition
Trump"; Father oF aLL Lies so
Many Metaphors to Relate Personality
Disorders in General Associated with Lack
of Humanity as that relates to the Real Empathy Compassion
of Love That Takes Care of the Weak and does Least Harm.
The Mark
of that
Beast is
No Love that
Gardens Empathy
And takes care of the
Weak; Obama is more like
The Good Cop Jesus; and Trump
is just the one who will fire one forever,
if one does not come to Bended Knee And Worship 'Him' as 'God'.
It's not Hard to figure this out; this Human Condition has been around a while now;
Of course
if one
Observes
It without
Spoon-Fed
Life Twisting and
Turning Words in
Books That still only
Speak Human Archetypes for Real;
So Yes, of Course All Stories Have Value
Expressing the Dark and Light of Human Nature;
The Problem is When Shells Are Worshipped And
The Essence of Truth in Light Turns to only Dark of Worship:
Voila:
Self
Fulfilling
Prophecy as
'the Christians' Have
Their False Prophet
So Far Away from Love Now: Trump;
Yes, very much in Alignment with the Villain Weak Leader Archetype
Now; Just the One all set to fall and Never rise again either as metaphor
or by
Swallowing
His own Poisonous
Cure to His Fear of Death;
Yes; literally the one not FDA Approved;
The Real Beast to Fear is Ignorance oF All the ages Still Now FOR REAL.
As Far As the Love Stuff Goes; God Yes, count me in The Christian Ideology;
As Far As Worshipping only Human God'S on Bended Knee count me out of 'Bad
Cop Jesus Trump';
Yes, of
Course
Now And
Then Actors Change
And Basically Characters
of the Human Play Remain;
i Believe Shakespeare Speaks
to this as Well But 'i'm Tired
of the Same Old DaM Phrases';
Particularly, Where Obviously Ignorance is King;
Orange or Not; There is a Better Way to Do 'Revolution
Orange'; The Earth, Wind, And Fire 'Evolution Version' of Love too.


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19 May 2020, 2:36 am

QFT wrote:
I realize that a lot of you are not Christian. I guess the issue of debate whether Christianity is true or not is a good topic for a different thread. I don't want to derail this specific thread though. So, in order not to derail it, it is mainly addressed to my fellow Christians. With this preamble, here it goes:

Lets put side by side the following two considerations:

1. Since mark of the beast has to do with "buying and selling" it has to be something physical

2. Since the mention of the mark of the beast is together with the mention of *worshiping* the beast, it has to be something spiritual

So how can it be both physical and spiritual at the same time? I think the microchip implant will control brain waves, thats how. In other words, microchip will have multiple functions. On the one hand it will act like a credit card, so that people will be able to buy and sell with it. On the other hand, it will send signals to the brain to produce spiritual experiences and those spiritual experiences will amount to "worshiping" the beast, and they will also prevent people from repenting and turning back to Christ.


I just don't think that is what that kind of thing would be about, like if you could just put the info in you wrist which I am not even sure would be a thing it would still mostly be for convenience. So not to discount christian ideas so much but just to put into a perspective that it may be just be done for convenience then necessarily being proof of any dark force or whatever. That said I have never heard of anyone having to get any sort of mandatory mark on them to begin with so I may not be a christian but I just hope people keep in perspective people are not being mass forced into getting marks they don't consent to on their bodies at this time.



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19 May 2020, 4:56 pm

Let's not forget that there are people being microchipped already, and the chips are meant to work in their brainwaves- cerebral pacemakers that sense the disordered waves of an epileptic shock, which then give off an electric pulse of their own to restablish order, not unlike a pacemaker for the heart muscle.

Let's also not forget that religious visions are associated with temporal lobe epilepsy.
Hence, in some cases, such a microchip could suppress religious experiences, rather than facilitate them.


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19 May 2020, 5:09 pm

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Let's also not forget that religious visions are associated with temporal lobe epilepsy.
Hence, in some cases, such a microchip could suppress religious experiences, rather than facilitate them.


It all depends on the "kind" of pulses the microchip is designed to send. So the microchip that the antichrist introduces might be different from this one.

That, plus also even that microchip can, too, work in both directions. As in, it can suppress the spiritual experiences due to epilepsy while, at the same time, facilitate a different kind of spiritual experiences.



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19 May 2020, 5:24 pm

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Let's also not forget that religious visions are associated with temporal lobe epilepsy.
Hence, in some cases, such a microchip could suppress religious experiences, rather than facilitate them.


It all depends on the "kind" of pulses the microchip is designed to send. So the microchip that the antichrist introduces might be different from this one.

That, plus also even that microchip can, too, work in both directions. As in, it can suppress the spiritual experiences due to epilepsy while, at the same time, facilitate a different kind of spiritual experiences.


I'm not sure which microchips the sntichrist would implant into people, but historically, he was possessing people during what today is called epileptic seizures, so the chips they are currently implanting are closing that door for entry to him.


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19 May 2020, 5:52 pm

Naaa…

They will just tattoo a bare code on to your forehead, or finger. And then they will be able scan it everywhere you go. Like youre a piece of merchandise in the drugstore being bought at the check out.

That barecode is a "mark". So its the mark of the beast.

At first it will seem great. Everywhere you go you they will just wave you in because they can scan at immediation know your identity. Link to data bases about you. If youre unconscious in a care crash they will scan the mark- they will have your whole medical record. You will be able to business because they know your credit score etc. But then....they will be able to use it to control you. And that's what the Antichrist will do. This seemingly harmless barecode tattoo will be the gateway to....global tyranny by the future antichrist.



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19 May 2020, 5:52 pm

shlaifu wrote:
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shlaifu wrote:
Let's also not forget that religious visions are associated with temporal lobe epilepsy.
Hence, in some cases, such a microchip could suppress religious experiences, rather than facilitate them.


It all depends on the "kind" of pulses the microchip is designed to send. So the microchip that the antichrist introduces might be different from this one.

That, plus also even that microchip can, too, work in both directions. As in, it can suppress the spiritual experiences due to epilepsy while, at the same time, facilitate a different kind of spiritual experiences.


I'm not sure which microchips the sntichrist would implant into people, but historically, he was possessing people during what today is called epileptic seizures, so the chips they are currently implanting are closing that door for entry to him.


1. Antichrist is not the same as satan. Antichrist is a future world leader.

2. Just because "some" people with seizures were posessed by the devil, it doesn't mean "all" were

3. Just because "some" of the devil posession came across as seizures doesn't mean that demon posession can't come in other ways in people that don't have seizures

4. Very few people have seizures, yet majority of people are following the devil per Matt 7:13 and also the majority of people would follow the antichrist as well

5. There are different kinds of chips so just because the chips that are used today stop epilepsy doesn't mean that the chips that antichrist will be using will

6. There are multiple ways to be condemned. So its entirely possible that chips stop epilepsy yet, at the same time, condemn the person in a different way

7. There are different kinds of spiritual experiences. So its possible chips might stop epilepsy (thus stop spiritual experiences produced by it) yet, at the same time, still produce the spiritual experiences of a different kind.



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19 May 2020, 5:56 pm

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Naaa…

They will just tattoo a bare code on to your forehead, or finger. And then they will be able scan it everywhere you go. Like youre a piece of merchandise in the drugstore being bought at the check out.

That barecode is a "mark". So its the mark of the beast.

At first it will seem great. Everywhere you go you they will just wave you in because they can scan at immediation know your identity. Link to data bases about you. If youre unconscious in a care crash they will scan the mark- they will have your whole medical record. You will be able to business because they know your credit score etc. But then....they will be able to use it to control you. And that's what the Antichrist will do. This seemingly harmless barecode tattoo will be the gateway to....global tyranny by the future antichrist.


This leaves out two questions:

a) Why does the Bible mentions taking the mark of the beast in conjunction with worship? You don't have to worship anyone to have a bar code.

b) Bible says whoever believes will be saved (John 3:16). So why wouldn't you be saved if you first take the mark of the beast and then -- later on -- repent and believe?

Now, if the mark of the beast will control the brain waves, this will answer both of these questions:

Answer to a: the brain waves that the microchip will produce will amount to worship

Answer to b: the brain waves will prevent you from turning back to Christ.



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19 May 2020, 6:19 pm

It's ironic how some people rant about cellphones, apps, and public surveillance cameras because of privacy concerns, but very few of them are talking about how Elon Musk wants to implant microchips in people's brains to record brain activity and in his own words, "solve brain-related diseases like autism."

I mean, you'd think the anti-tech extremists who are so scared of 5G would be jumping all over news stories about a corporation that wants to implant AI-powered microchips in people's heads to record their brain activity.

https://www.entrepreneur.com/article/342393



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19 May 2020, 6:38 pm

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It's ironic how some people rant about cellphones, apps, and public surveillance cameras because of privacy concerns, but very few of them are talking about how Elon Musk wants to implant microchips in people's brains to record brain activity and in his own words, "solve brain-related diseases like autism."

I mean, not that I really care, but you'd think the anti-tech extremists who are so scared of 5G would be jumping all over news stories about a corporation that wants to implant AI-powered microchips in people's heads to record their brain activity.

https://www.entrepreneur.com/article/342393


Well, they do talk about microchip implants -- just not this kind of implant. I guess they think that people with disabilities "deserve" to have the mark of the beast? Another similar question I was thinking about it why is it they are opposed to gun control yet none of them are encouraging *me* to get a gun? Is it because of my Asperger by any chance? And since the people opposed to gun control are Christians (by the way I don't see the connection to Christianity but apparently *they* see it) does it mean that they feel like their Christian values shouldn't apply to people with Asperger? And if giving off the guns is the first step before the mark of the beast, does it mean that they feel like people with Asperger deserve the mark? I guess what you just said confirms my concerns.

But in any case, as a Christian with Asperger I have different perspective than them. I believe NOBODY should get the mark of the beast -- disabled or not. As far as guns go, I am kinda undecided about the whole issue because I don't see its connection to Christianity that they apparently see. But if they don't want me to have a gun due to my Asperger, that makes me be in favor of gun control: if nobody has a gun I wouldn't have to feel inferior. But the mark of the beast is different, I obviously wouldn't support the idea of the mark of the beast due to such motives. I don't want the mark of the beast no matter what.



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19 May 2020, 6:48 pm

QFT wrote:
shlaifu wrote:
QFT wrote:
shlaifu wrote:
Let's also not forget that religious visions are associated with temporal lobe epilepsy.
Hence, in some cases, such a microchip could suppress religious experiences, rather than facilitate them.


It all depends on the "kind" of pulses the microchip is designed to send. So the microchip that the antichrist introduces might be different from this one.

That, plus also even that microchip can, too, work in both directions. As in, it can suppress the spiritual experiences due to epilepsy while, at the same time, facilitate a different kind of spiritual experiences.


I'm not sure which microchips the sntichrist would implant into people, but historically, he was possessing people during what today is called epileptic seizures, so the chips they are currently implanting are closing that door for entry to him.


1. Antichrist is not the same as satan. Antichrist is a future world leader.

2. Just because "some" people with seizures were posessed by the devil, it doesn't mean "all" were

3. Just because "some" of the devil posession came across as seizures doesn't mean that demon posession can't come in other ways in people that don't have seizures

4. Very few people have seizures, yet majority of people are following the devil per Matt 7:13 and also the majority of people would follow the antichrist as well

5. There are different kinds of chips so just because the chips that are used today stop epilepsy doesn't mean that the chips that antichrist will be using will

6. There are multiple ways to be condemned. So its entirely possible that chips stop epilepsy yet, at the same time, condemn the person in a different way

7. There are different kinds of spiritual experiences. So its possible chips might stop epilepsy (thus stop spiritual experiences produced by it) yet, at the same time, still produce the spiritual experiences of a different kind.


If I had a microchip implanted that made a folloer of the antichrist, would Christ not forgive me? I mean, that chip would literally control my thoughts, and I'd be more or less a robot (though my experience might be that I'm making free decisions, just as I experience my decision making right now as free, even though the scientists tell us it's all hormones and neurotransmitters).


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19 May 2020, 7:13 pm

Syd wrote:
It's ironic how some people rant about cellphones, apps, and public surveillance cameras because of privacy concerns, but very few of them are talking about how Elon Musk wants to implant microchips in people's brains to record brain activity and in his own words, "solve brain-related diseases like autism."

I mean, you'd think the anti-tech extremists who are so scared of 5G would be jumping all over news stories about a corporation that wants to implant AI-powered microchips in people's heads to record their brain activity.

https://www.entrepreneur.com/article/342393


GASP!! !! !! 8O

That's it! You just stumbled on it.

Elon Musk IS...the Antichrist!

It all adds up. In the near future he is gonna make that brain chip a reality. And everyone will become blue tooth controlled zombies for Musk!