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26 May 2020, 12:52 pm

I hope I don't want to sound accusative in asking this, but what is the view of those who practice chastity, by the various proponents of the Sexual Revolution?

I'm planning on in engaging in a dialogue on the Catholic Church's teaching on sexual morality this coming June on here, as I believe I have a good amount of experiential knowledge about this subject. Do some people and beliefs hold (again I don't want to sound accusative) a socially or even morally condemnatory view of those who practice chastity? And on a broader, somewhat side topic, how has the MeToo Movement influenced and changed this discussion?


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26 May 2020, 1:00 pm

Their lives; their bodies; their choices. For I am convinced that neither neither church nor state should dictate what men and women shall do with their own bodies.


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26 May 2020, 1:32 pm

People can have exactly the amount of sex they want, with anyone who provides enthusiastic consent to it.

I don't think there's any good reason to deprive yourself of sex, but it's your choice.



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26 May 2020, 1:40 pm

I agree with the above....with the credo that people should protect themselves and others from unwanted pregnancy and STD’s.

And also make sure there is full consent within all parties.



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26 May 2020, 2:13 pm

Anything that any two (or more) legal adults do in private by mutual choice and mutual consent is absolutely no one else's business but their own.

I can still remember a time when, if a baby was born during the day, the parents were chastised for having conceived it during the day.

8O OMG!!  Afternoon Delight?!  Shocking!  Scandalous!


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26 May 2020, 2:20 pm

If doing it for any other reason than avoiding low quality encounters with the gender of your preference - the Hindu/Buddhist internal alchemy context probably makes the most sense.


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26 May 2020, 3:30 pm

Greatshield17 wrote:
I hope I don't sound accusative in asking this, but what is the view of those who practice chastity, by the various proponents of the Sexual Revolution?

I'm planning on in engaging in a dialogue on the Catholic Church's teaching on sexual morality this coming June on here, as I believe I have a good amount of experiential knowledge about this subject. Do some people and beliefs hold (again I don't want to sound accusative) a socially or even morally condemnatory view of those who practice chastity? And on a broader, somewhat side topic, how has the MeToo Movement influenced and changed this discussion?


I tried chastity recently to see what effect it had. Unfortunately, I was unable to maintain the experiment more than two weeks. The first problem was that Donald Michael Kraig's "Sex Magick" arrived from Amazon. I could have withstood his ponderous tome, but I found myself much diminished on the job.


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26 May 2020, 3:54 pm

Gentleman Argentum wrote:
I tried chastity recently to see what effect it had. Unfortunately, I was unable to maintain the experiment more than two weeks. The first problem was that Donald Michael Kraig's "Sex Magick" arrived from Amazon. I could have withstood his ponderous tome, but I found myself much diminished on the job.

That kind of thing is more Samael Aun Weor's wheel house.


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26 May 2020, 4:18 pm

Chastity is something I gave up in my teens; but for knowing that you haven't conceived an unwanted child or contracted an STD, it's as close to 100% certainty as you're going to get.  I don't see how chastity can be enforced, except through brainwashing, guilt-trips, and shaming those who so much as look at another person below chin-level.


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26 May 2020, 4:23 pm

Fnord wrote:
Chastity is something I gave up in my teens; but for knowing that you haven't conceived an unwanted child or contracted an STD, it's as close to 100% certainty as you're going to get.  I don't see how chastity can be enforced, except through brainwashing, guilt-trips, and shaming those who so much as look at another person below chin-level.


Being unattractive certainly helps.

I'm not joking. I know women going through menopause who are still virgins.

If you never have an opportunity, if no one wants you, it's easy as pie.



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26 May 2020, 4:25 pm

Greatshield, I don't understand the question I'm afraid.

Do you want to know how people in general view those who practice chastity? Or why those who practice chastity do so?



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26 May 2020, 4:29 pm

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Fnord wrote:
Chastity is something I gave up in my teens; but for knowing that you haven't conceived an unwanted child or contracted an STD, it's as close to 100% certainty as you're going to get.  I don't see how chastity can be enforced, except through brainwashing, guilt-trips, and shaming those who so much as look at another person below chin-level.
Being unattractive certainly helps.  I'm not joking.  I know women going through menopause who are still virgins.  If you never have an opportunity, if no one wants you, it's easy as pie.
I suppose you're right.  I can imagine that for every promiscuous person in a porno movie, I'm sure there is at least one other person for whom sexual intimacy is a only a vague, pastel fantasy -- like a Monet rendition of a Rubens painting.


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26 May 2020, 4:33 pm

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Greatshield, I don't understand the question I'm afraid.

Do you want to know how people in general view those who practice chastity? Or why those who practice chastity do so?


I think the question is kind of generically looking for points on how chastity might be a bad thing and he is looking for a devil's advocate for the point he is trying to make in a speech.



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26 May 2020, 4:53 pm

There is no condemnation in chastity, just as there is no condemnation in promiscuity.  Of course, the 'sin' comes in when:

• Virginity is held in such high esteem that some fans of female celebrities will deny that their idols have had children, even though all of her children were conceived in coitus.

• A chaste daughter can command a higher bride price (e.g., 'dowery') than one whose chastity is in doubt.

• An 'honor' killing is exacted against an unwed woman for her alleged lack of virginity, even if she is raped.

• A promiscuous man is held in high esteem among his peers, especially when he 'deflowers' a virgin.

As far as the "#Me Too" era is concerned, I have no doubt that trading employment opportunities for sex still goes on, but that the practice has become more discreet. Then again, there have been reports of more incidents of landlords (male and female) demanding sex in lieu of rent since the coronavirus put people out of work.


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26 May 2020, 4:57 pm



Amazing Priests Can Give Up Sexual Practices;
But Can't Even Sacrifice 15 Minutes to Wear a Mask
To Potentially Save the Elderly Congregation from the
Folks Who may get Infected with Covid19, Having the Most
Direct Contact With The Entire Congregation; After Asking Folks
To Practice Social Distancing; the Face Palms continue to Grow Thick at
The Catholic Church i Visit as An Anthropology Participant Anthropology Observer Bible
Writer too; Still Working on an 8.1 MiLLioN Word Epic Long Form Poem Bible That all together
Requires a Whole Lot of In-Person-Research to Satisfy The Hobby For Me at least; Just Finishing
The 3rd Volume of one Subchapter Epic Long Form Poem "FB Profile Pic Bible Vol 2020" Arising
to 4 MiLLioN Words in 36 Months Effort; Anniversary Date today, along with 81 Months of Public
Dancing 13,213 Miles of Public Dance in the Same 81 Months, Continuing Now Writing the 8.1 MiLLioN
Word Effort; and Oh By The Way, today is also the Celebratory 4 Year Anniversary Date of "Nether Land
Bible" Another Sub-Chapter Effort of the Entire Endeavor at 5.6 MiLLioN Words; And True Erotic Poetry
And All Stuff Lust is a Huge Biblical Interest of Mine too; as i am currently also Writing A Fully Illustrated
Erotic Poetry Novel with 6 Volumes And 112,340 Words; With Around 20,000 Photos, Fully Supporting it;
And oh by the way, Over 100,000 Photos i also took along with the use of Over 10,000 YouTube Videos
To Fully Illustrate And Accompany With Music The Entire 8.1 MiLLioN Epic Longest Long Form Poem Bible Effort;

i Can Really Really Relate to the Story Book Version of Old 'King David' In the small rather Minuscule effort
of a Bible that took Centuries and Innumerable Ghost Authors; And Scribes Unknown by Name as well to complete.

Obviously, King David And All Of His Close to Naked Dancing in Front of 'So-called Servant Girls' was Required Muse
For Him to Write those Beautiful Poetic Psalms by Archetypal Story of Course as Science Currently Shows Lust Is a
Major Originating Source for Male Creativity and Productivity Most and with Women as Current Science Shows
Nurturing Social Cooperation Comes From Lust of Females For Males too; Really LUST IS OBVIOUSLY A GREATEST
SURVIVAL GIFT AND AN AVENUE TO THRIVE ON gifted by Nature at the top of the List as surely as
Nature is the Breath and Face of God Real and surely Lust-Hot In Human Beings continuing now.

My God It is Such a Valuable And Free Natural Healing Medicine in Neurochemical And
Neurohormonal Way For Being Human; The Health Benefits truly are Pure Bliss at
Core that Keep the Human Species Creative, Productive, and Socially Cooperative as Well.

It's True; At Least when the Environment is Healthy; Most Everyone is Happy on a Bikini Beach.

Let's Just Say, i didn't Grow Up on Beaches Where Women Wore a Whole Lot of Clothes; butt on
the other Cognitive Dissonance Hand, the Catholic Church Then Taught A Whole Lot of Don't
Touch Yourself And Women Less than Virgins Were No More Than Tainted Love; True; they
Injected some of that Poison in me; but eventually the Snake Bite Went away and Voila Sexual
Freedom as Free as it still Loves to come for me; Now i Just Visit Church no longer raised in Ignorance.

In My Opinion, Lots of Folks go into the Priesthood for they don't fit the Social Sexual
Expectations of Home And Hometown Ways; Either, They aren't Successful in 'that way';
or Just don't like who other folks Believe they should like; according to some studies within
the Catholic Church; up to 58 Percent of Priests Are Assessed as Homosexual Leaning; It's
Kinda
Sad
That they
Cannot Be
Who they really
Are; in Short, The
Catholic Church is still ignorant
to not specifically instruct the Priests
From the Bishop top to Wear Masks Delivering
Communion in a Dam Pandemic; When truly it could
Be Death in Ignorance this way for the folks most susceptible they
Serve; Butt,You See there is A Slower Way of Torture And Misery for Human
Being and that is Taking Their Reproductive Freedoms Away; and my God Seeing
any part of their Bodies or the Rest of Nature Including Gay Folks Having Sex as anything
Less than
Holy
And
Sacred
Nature's Face
of God Now Free Breath;
True; Once again when you do come
to realize that God is All All Along Just
Nature Alpha Thru Omega DarK Thru Light;
Life is Hard Enough Without Getting Hard and Wet.

Bottom Lines of Getting the Job of Life Well Done And Not So Dammed Ignorant.

Additionally, As an Anthropology Participant Observer in the Temple that is the Best
Church of Dance and And Song; in Great Thanks And Praise of Worshipping This Great
Gift of Life's Breath With the Occasional Really Hot and Always Clothed Booty Dance Grind of Life;
298 Thursday College Dance Thursday Nights; i Studied This in Great DeTail; eventually Assessed As
a Folk Hero Dance Legend; As When i for one Set out to do something; My Asperger's Laser Focus And
Perseverance is for all Practical Intents and Purposes, Second to None; Hmm; i believe there is A Shakespeare
Quote: “I dare do all that may become a man; Who dares do more, is none" (Depends on who one asks); It was
My Father's Identical Brother's Senior Quote; My Father's was "Don't Do today What You Can Put off until
tomorrow". I for one have never been one to go out and Impress the Dudes; But if i don't have a Big
Enough Special Interest; i get out of focus and kinda lazy; Anyway, i waited until Age 53 to complete
that Shakespeare Quote from My Uncle's Senior Motto; As Part of my Research Project i recorded all
298 Dance Week Nights Just like the Random One below selected; i even Measured How Many
Words of Bible Poem Writing i Wrote the Day After Thursday Night Dance Nights;
The Evidence Shows what 'King David' Did by story still works Now; Impress the
Ladies
if
ya
wanna
Write
the/A
Biggest
Bible; hehe;
Bible Wagging contests;
No one comes even close;
Trivia Note: In the Comic Book
Series 'Hell Boy' He Didn't Start
Being 'Supernormal' until 53 too;
Yes; for all practical Intents and
Purposes that's where i did the living
dead for 66 Months as Shut-in; again
'John 14:12' IN Real Life, DarK Thru Light
Goes both Ways; i surely don't expect anyone
to go where i went first; would Love to help folks
get to REAL HEAVEN WITHIN as Science Assessed
In Autotelic Flow As Real As Heaven Gets For Human Eternally Now.

If 'Science And Religion Folks' Will get their Butts out of their Sacred Cow Terms as Concrete Forms;
Now To come to See Essence is the same Dammed Heaven thing too; oh, what a world this will be...

Don't take my Word for it; Seek and Find It Yourself Within; That the Way it's always Really Been Done For REAL.

i Feel Where Heaven is....

And Know Where it is not...

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26 May 2020, 5:07 pm

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hurtloam wrote:
Greatshield, I don't understand the question I'm afraid.

Do you want to know how people in general view those who practice chastity? Or why those who practice chastity do so?


I think the question is kind of generically looking for points on how chastity might be a bad thing and he is looking for a devil's advocate for the point he is trying to make in a speech.


Ah right, ok. I get it. I think.

I'd think the arguments against are pretty obvious.