It's almost illegal to have conservative opinions in theWest

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06 Aug 2020, 3:03 pm

Not just "conservative" opinions, even voicing opinions that are slightly against the "newspeak" dogma of the modern left is ground for bullying into not saying anything. And it is rapidly getting worse. All the major media and internet outlets are controlled by the leftist opinion and they are way more organized than the right are.

I don't know about the "right" being the bigger danger than the "left" in today's world. I see it more being the other way around. A lot of people of the right are called White supremacist, even though the number of those who are actual White supremacists are very small and continue shrinking.

American and European civilization is doomed. :(



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06 Aug 2020, 3:13 pm

I agree...except what passes as the Left these days is actually tightly controlled by corporations and foundations.

BLM, for example, is 100% astroturf.


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06 Aug 2020, 3:17 pm

Romofan wrote:
I agree...except what passes as the Left these days is actually tightly controlled by corporations and foundations.

BLM, for example, is 100% astroturf.


They are still all the "useful idiots" of the neo-Marxist/Socialist agenda.



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06 Aug 2020, 3:36 pm

No it really isn't.
Disagreement and disapproval isn't the same thing as illegality.



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06 Aug 2020, 3:53 pm

Location Location Location:

Where i Live, 75 Percent of the
Community Still Solidly Supports
A Champion of Lies; If You wanna
Have Conservative Opinions Here; Just
go to the Breakfast Club At Hardees where
there are many Round Table Discussions going on;
without
Masks too
where allowed
to Spread a Pandemic...
It surely doesn't seem Conservative
to me; What's Conservative: Voting for a 1.5
Trillion Dollar Welfare Tax Cut For Corporations;
What's Conservative: Attempting to Take away Health
Care During A Pandemic; Now It doesn't get much more
Reckless than Thousands of Assessed Lies by a Leader
Who Doesn't Believe in Science Either; So What's Conservative:

i'd be interested
in any opinion
Here in the United States where the
Dividing Line is in Common Sense;

Conservative is the Safe Choice; Not the Reckless Trump choice...

Yes, The Republican Party is still Breathing but Conservatism

Here is Reckless Chaos...

Or if one will, Please
Let me know something
about it that is Conservative;
Something Real Beyond Ideology;
Something in Action that's really counting...

And do not assume i'm liberal; i didn't get
financially Independent that way at 47...

Providing Health Care for a Nation to
Both Survive and Thrive is Conservative.

Wearing Masks to Save Lives Is Conservative.

Telling The Truth With Honor And Character Used to Be Conservative.

Conservative Means Making Sure everyone Lives; Not Promoting Risks to Die.

Bottom Lines:
Conservative
is Conservative not Reckless Lies.


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06 Aug 2020, 4:01 pm

KT67 wrote:
No it really isn't.
Disagreement and disapproval isn't the same thing as illegality.


I said almost illegal. As in that it is effectively shut down because of social pressure, if not laws made to criminalize it.



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06 Aug 2020, 4:09 pm

Obviously, it depends on
'Which Side' One is talking to...

Again, Location, Location, Location...

If Ya Like, as suggested, Go Somewhere Where Birds of A Feather
Flock Together; there are still Numerous places left; too many to count
on that Measure Now at Least...

Unless One is counting Lies that
Harm and Hate Speech as
Conservative

in areas that are
Privately Owned

no longer allowing That;
That's Just Pure Meanness/Ignorance;
"Conservative" is not Strictly a 'Personality Flaw' at all...

But Seriously, Where is This 'Conservative Thing'; Where does
it exist; Here, the Democrats; the so-called Liberals are wearing
Masks, Moreover, to Protect Grandpa and Grandma's Life; They Support
Health Care for A Society to be Productive and Thriving; They Support
Something Other than Lies at the Top of Leadership in this Country;

My God, the Democrats
Have become more
Conservative than
the Republicans;
As the Republican Leader
Is Neither Liberal or Conservative;

He's Just A 'Joker off the Batman Series of Movies'
Giving us a Load of Himself and Only Himself everyday;
Almost Totally Supported by a so-called Conservative
Republican Party in Terms of Multiples in Thousands of Ignorant Lies...

That's A Circus; That's Just A Circus and quite Frankly, it's Deadly Now and Disgusting;

As Corpses are Piling Up as a direct Result of A Nation With no Working Plan at 'the top' to Mitigate the Deaths...

It surely
is Neither
Liberal or
Conservative;
It's Just Deadly Reckless
And Disgusting FOR REAL NOW.

Whatever Happened to Little Boy Trump;
Whatever Harm someone did to him When Small
That Still Gives Him 'Little Man Syndrome'; Someone
Needs to Find a Way to Show Him He is Okay and
Deserves to Be Loved; Where He No longer has to
"Let the Bodies Fall" To Prove he is anyone at all but An Empty Vessel, A Shell...

Then maybe 'Republicans' at least Will Remember A Distant Memory of What 'Conservatism' even 'Was'...



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06 Aug 2020, 4:39 pm

In the UK the right chose to be more barbaric and less civilised in embracing Thatcherism . I've never been a Tory , but the pre 1979 paternalistic one nation conservatism was much more civilised than the Tory party nowadays.


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06 Aug 2020, 4:42 pm

Hollywood_Guy wrote:
It's Almost Illegal To Have Conservative Opinions In The West ... American and European civilization is doomed.
You say this like it's a bad thing.

Western civilization was founded on the Conservative principles of slavery, subjugation of women, and conquest of native peoples by genocide.

It should be doomed.


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06 Aug 2020, 10:45 pm

Aagh, western civilization is doomed aagh, moderates don't exist. White youth get lynched in suburban neighborhoods, aagh, democrats are the real nazis!! !

It's not even funny how many times I see complete regurgitations of youtube "intellectuals." You act like corporations actually take the agenda of their employees seriously. You act like the majority of educated suburbanites aren't jaded moderates.

Social media =/= The real world


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06 Aug 2020, 11:13 pm

What are the type of Conservative opinions that get treated like one is evil?

If there is widespread condemnation of those opinions, could it be that those opinions are behind the curve? I imagine that if it was something conservative in the sense of pro-segregation and not wanting race mixing, I could understand it.


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06 Aug 2020, 11:23 pm

Oh, please, the right has controlled the white house for three years, left wing ideas and movements (BLM, feminism, transgender rights) are still demonized and dismissed among the wider public, and right wing "intellectuals" who spew the kind of nonsense you wrote here have huge audiences and are making bank. You're not a victim, and being told your ideas are bad is not silencing. It gives me no pleasure to say this, but, the right is still quite strong in this country.

Not all ideas are created equal. One of the rights' most praised intellectuals, Ben Shapiro, believes that transgender people are mentally ill and goes out of his way to misgender them, says things like this:

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Israelis like to build. Arabs like to bomb crap and live in open sewage. This is not a difficult issue. #settlementsrock

and thinks that people in coastal areas affected by global warming should just "sell their houses and move". I'm not obligated to pretend that these are ideas worth considering.



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07 Aug 2020, 12:19 am

ComteRenoir wrote:
and thinks that people in coastal areas affected by global warming should just "sell their houses and move". I'm not obligated to pretend that these are ideas worth considering.



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07 Aug 2020, 12:30 am

"Conservative" is a broad term. But considering that it's one of the two major popular options and millions of people openly consider their opinions to be conservative, no, I don't think it's "almost illegal" to have them.



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07 Aug 2020, 2:58 am

I've seen that Hbomberguy clip many times, and I still don't think it was too much of an overreaction. That was a take so bad it warrants Jack Nicholson-ing a wall.



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07 Aug 2020, 3:18 am

Unglaublich! Noch mehr Weißen weinen um den Untergang des Abendlandes?
(Incredible! Still more whites weeping for the Decline of the Occident?)

Positions and ideologies come and go. Positions that were socially acceptable to have 100 years ago are not all acceptable to have today. This is just the way of things. Trying to stop this is like trying to stop the sun from rising.

Conservatives are not being stifled because of some Orwellian groupthink.
They are being called out because of the negative consequences inherent in peddling some of their ideas. They've just started to lose enough in the cultural arena because too many people are concluding that their ideas don't hold up to scrutiny. As formerly marginalized groups gain wider acceptance, people take a dimmer view of those policies and positions that kept them marginalized.

Example: Are you peddling homophobia? Then you should face social consequences. Because queer people cannot be asked to respect that position. People who care about queer people cannot respect that position.
Are you decrying scrutiny of police violence? Then you should face social consequences from those who live in fear of police violence. And people who care about those who live in fear of police violence.

The media isn't even leftist. The mainstream media is liberal capitalist. They focus so much on identity politics because criticizing capitalism is still way less acceptable than criticizing social injustice.

Shouldn't there be social consequences for certain beliefs, political or otherwise? Even if we do not agree on which beliefs those are?
The social consequences faced by conservatives cannot compare to the consequences faced by those bullied, disowned, or killed for being trans; those killed by police for being black; those who see their sacred land violated by governments and corporations, etc


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