Is there an afterlife or is it a state of mind?
Richard2989
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I was not religious and only at most really can I be described as being spiritual, but the dimensional / kaleidoscopic geometrics and spatial luminosity were well accounted for in the book of Ezekiel regarding the geometrics and sort of in the Revelation of John regarding the light ~ but I did not see any throne room stuff just orbicular shining beings in the absolute light of being.
My NDE happened when I was three, and I really loved reading the Egyptian Book of the Dead when I was six as their symbolism was so . . . symbolically representative. The Bible which I read when I was eight was just jam-packed descriptive by way of lots of little bits, but the Tibetan Book of the Dead is the more relevant description of the journey I experienced. One of the bible bits that correlates with the Tibetan Book of the Dead is badly translated into English from Greek, but the Greek form-driven rather than English meaning-driven transliteration of Luke 17:34 ~ 37 (from the Greek texts of the New Testament Bible) is as follows:
34.) I tell you all, the way of embodiment in this night* becomes as two upon bed [each] one; the one of you taken over to place, and the other of you left to place:
*Night as being material existence and darkness also.
35.) as becomes two >[in the mill house]< grinding to settle upon themselves;* the one of you taken over to place, and the other of you left to place:
*The past life review or judgement.
36.) as becomes two in the midst* of the fields; the one of you taken over to place, and the other of you left to place.
*The Heaven of Heavens or Spiritual plains.
37.) And they all responded saying to Him, "Where; Teacher?" He then said to them, "Where-ever-so the body of life; there in place together the Eagles* will also gather to be.
*The Eagles are the birds of heaven as being analogies for Angles, as are the quintessence of consciousness otherwise known as the spirit of you.
As far as the afterlife being a state of mind goes ~ I have had conversations with people who have died and related messages for them on several occasions, that would not have been possible had they not provided the information for me to relate. This sort of thing has not been a regular feature of my life, but I know people for who it is as they are mediums and I am a channel ~ on account of me having had the NDE quite possibly.
My first experience of having a confirmed conversation with a dead person was when I was about four. I was talking with a man sat on a bench in the park who was telling me how annoyed he was that the local council had paved over a small garden area he had maintained in the park ~ and "put a bloomin' bench there instead!" He told me to ask my Grandmother how beautiful the garden used to be, so I walked up to my Grandmother several feet away talking with two of her friends, and I tugged her cardigan and asked her about the garden. She asked me how I knew about that in a disconcerted way, and I said "Mr Jones told me!" And pointed to where he was no longer sitting. My Grandmother's complexion went very pale as I described his appearance ~ as it turned out my Grandmother was very frightened of ghosts, and Mr Jones had died some years before and the bench had been put there in memory of him.
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old_comedywriter
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I believe that people hang on to the idea of afterlife because the human mind cannot comprehend its own ceasing to exist. It's a paradox, since any view of what happens after your death is viewed from a POV of existence.
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omg I just got that.
I added s**t to my comment as I knew someone would ask me who jack is
But that defeats the purpose of saying "Jack" in that context, because "Jack" is supposed to be euphemism, and a polite substitute for the S word.
I dunno.
I guess you could have said "diddley squat", or just plain "squat".
"I had a NDE and I didnt see SQUAT!".
The beauty of "squat" is that back in the days before they invented commodes thats what folks had to do to do the S thing. Squat over a hole in the ground.
Personally, i'm concerned About
The "Living Dead" those without
An Autotelic Flow of Heaven Within;
Finding it Now With Ecstatic Experiences
of Frission Sublime Experiencing Beauty of Life;
This much
Even Science
Agrees is Real
of Heaven Now;
in Fact, from what i
see of Most Religions
And Their so-called 'Holy
Trump Men'; Yes, indeed Science
Understands Heaven Better Than
Those 'Trump Holy Men' in Religions
Creating Hell on Earth And Heaven only
After A Dirt Nap For Real, hmm, Imagine
Life is Forevernow Alive what you Do with IT
Then Do
Heaven
Within;
Science
at least
Understands what
the Living Dead Truly
Lack in Life in Terms of
Heaven Within; so ironic,
So Delicious Heaven within
Eternally Now is Real all it takes
is when Two Feet Become one in
A Dance and Song of Life that is FRiEnDS
With Gravity in Balance Loving it all DarK Thru
LiGHT For Real
As the For Giving
Becomes the Thanks
Giving in Essence Reward
of Giving Love Unto LoVE iNCaRNaTE
WiTHiN For Real on the Path of ALWaYS
Forgiving Now but of course these words
Are Less than
the Feeling
And Sense
of Heaven Within;
in Fact, they are only
Dressing of Word Salad;
the Icing without the Cake,
for those who have yet to
Open Heaven's Gate Within
Escaping the Illusions of Time
in Past and Future Distance Space
And Matter; Yes, simply escaping the
Neo Cortex in Autotelic Transient Hypo-Frontality Flow;
Just another Phrase for Be the Water, the Wave, the Ocean
Whole God
of Love
Within to
Give and
Share Free
Where least
Harm to the
Rest of Nature
Naturally flows
as Ocean Whole LoVE iNDeeD;
Yes, Verily THere is An AfterDeath
Living of Life; the Heaven Within
Eternally Now For Those Who Come
to the Water, Wave, and Ocean; And Do 'that thing'...
Sadly, For Others it is a 'Farthest Star' they Reach Breathing now...
Some Folks 'See' A Faint Spark in Life; Others Feel Faint Sparks in Life;
Others
Become
Star Now For Real...
A Real Empirically
Measurable Heaven
For Real Within; But
Meh, those who Experience
it; Need no Proof of Heaven's
Existence Within.
What i Find is Humans are More
Tuned into Fear; after all it is the
Human Condition to Consider Fears
First For Basic Survival; sadly, Humans
Create their own Illusory Fears and Miss
out on Heaven within that Most Animals
Without Words Experience Naturally as they
Follow their Innate Intuitive Instincts and Find Heaven within;
Sadly for Humans; It's Like a Camel Passing through an eye of
A Needle; all The Human Cultural Clothes of illusory Fears that
make the only Possible Hope of Heaven into another illusion
and fear of forever burning into a Dirt Nap; Carrots And Sticks...
Buggs Bunny
Ain't gonna be
Fooled By Elmer
Fudd Trump Popes...
These Rabbit Holes
Yes to Heaven Do
Exist For Real
Now For
Folks
Who discard
all the Illusory
Fears that Keep them
out of Heaven's Gate
of Free Love LovinG iT aLL WiTHIN
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Occam's Razor says no. There's been no information reliably returned from any kind of afterlife, and no indicators of any kind that afterlives exist. Given that so much has been made of the concept, such an extraordinary claim (that such things exist) requires equally extraordinary proof, and that has not been forthcoming. Every test devised to prove any such existence has utterly failed or returned random, unverifiable results.
While not, of course, impossible on the cosmic scale of things (for instance, it's theoretically possible to construct an artificial afterlife with sufficiently advanced technology), the actual likelihood of such things existing at the moment probably falls well below that of Russell's Teapot or invisible pink unicorns.
While not, of course, impossible on the cosmic scale of things (for instance, it's theoretically possible to construct an artificial afterlife with sufficiently advanced technology), the actual likelihood of such things existing at the moment probably falls well below that of Russell's Teapot or invisible pink unicorns.
It appears that your 'use' of 'Occam's Razor' (entities should not be multiplied without necessity) is mistaken as you have 'subtracted' a particular fundament of existence (an absolute law in fact) that energy is neither created or destroyed (referred to by way of 'the conservation of energy' where energy becomes other states of energy as being 'the first law of thermodynamics') along with ~ in relation to the afterlife and rebirth ~ electron release and capture.
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