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27 Aug 2020, 2:22 pm

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The only objection from my point of view was that he was married. A spouse is a person who can rightfully object to consensual sex of two adults.
I can't speak for the world and maybe even the US.But this happened in the state of Massachusetts,I actually went through a divorce in Massachusetts personally(my ex was kind it was smooth and easy)

Adultery is illegal in civil court and could get you a bad divorce where you owe your ex a lot of money,but adultery could never be rape,as long as those "having" sex consent there is no criminal issue.But you better get a good divorce attorney.

Yes, here adultery is also not criminal but civil.
If I was the jury, I wouldn't find them guilty of any criminal offence.


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27 Aug 2020, 2:34 pm

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The only objection from my point of view was that he was married. A spouse is a person who can rightfully object to consensual sex of two adults.
I can't speak for the world and maybe even the US.But this happened in the state of Massachusetts,I actually went through a divorce in Massachusetts personally(my ex was kind it was smooth and easy)

Adultery is illegal in civil court and could get you a bad divorce where you owe your ex a lot of money,but adultery could never be rape,as long as those "having" sex consent there is no criminal issue.But you better get a good divorce attorney.

Yes, here adultery is also not criminal but civil.
If I was the jury, I wouldn't find them guilty of any criminal offence.
They will get probation or treatment,they won't get 20 years in state prison.Massachusetts is an old state and has a lot of outdated laws they never got around to changing back from the puritan era.Like you need a permit to wear a goatee or it's legal to shoot someone coming across the Rhode Island border,obviously those laws aren't valid or enforced.


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27 Aug 2020, 2:42 pm

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The only objection from my point of view was that he was married. A spouse is a person who can rightfully object to consensual sex of two adults.
I can't speak for the world and maybe even the US.But this happened in the state of Massachusetts,I actually went through a divorce in Massachusetts personally(my ex was kind it was smooth and easy)

Adultery is illegal in civil court and could get you a bad divorce where you owe your ex a lot of money,but adultery could never be rape,as long as those "having" sex consent there is no criminal issue.But you better get a good divorce attorney.

Yes, here adultery is also not criminal but civil.
If I was the jury, I wouldn't find them guilty of any criminal offence.
They will get probation or treatment,they won't get 20 years in state prison.Massachusetts is an old state and has a lot of outdated laws they never got around to changing back from the puritan era.Like you need a permit to wear a goatee or it's legal to shoot someone coming across the Rhode Island border,obviously those laws aren't valid or enforced.



In Montana, they apparently still have this law that if there are more than 7 Native Americans together, they are legal to shoot.

Now this is an old law because back then, we basically did genocide on Natives and this was how they were treated.


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27 Aug 2020, 2:50 pm

I had to look ...

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27 Aug 2020, 3:32 pm

League_Girl wrote:
vermontsavant wrote:
magz wrote:
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The only objection from my point of view was that he was married. A spouse is a person who can rightfully object to consensual sex of two adults.
I can't speak for the world and maybe even the US.But this happened in the state of Massachusetts,I actually went through a divorce in Massachusetts personally(my ex was kind it was smooth and easy)

Adultery is illegal in civil court and could get you a bad divorce where you owe your ex a lot of money,but adultery could never be rape,as long as those "having" sex consent there is no criminal issue.But you better get a good divorce attorney.

Yes, here adultery is also not criminal but civil.
If I was the jury, I wouldn't find them guilty of any criminal offence.
They will get probation or treatment,they won't get 20 years in state prison.Massachusetts is an old state and has a lot of outdated laws they never got around to changing back from the puritan era.Like you need a permit to wear a goatee or it's legal to shoot someone coming across the Rhode Island border,obviously those laws aren't valid or enforced.



In Montana, they apparently still have this law that if there are more than 7 Native Americans together, they are legal to shoot.

Now this is an old law because back then, we basically did genocide on Natives and this was how they were treated.
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27 Aug 2020, 3:33 pm

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I had to look ...

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Is that the couple from the news article,where did you get the photo?


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27 Aug 2020, 3:39 pm

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I had to look ...
Is that the couple from the news article,where did you get the photo?

That's them.


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27 Aug 2020, 3:45 pm

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I had to look ...
Is that the couple from the news article,where did you get the photo?

That's them.
Where did you find the photo


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27 Aug 2020, 3:46 pm

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I dont get laws against incest. The real issue I see is the cheating.


What about abuse?
It was consensual and both parties were decades above age of consent,there was no abuse in this case.


Really? Adults don't abuse each other? Consent becomes very complex in these cases.



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27 Aug 2020, 3:49 pm

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I dont get laws against incest. The real issue I see is the cheating.


What about abuse?


We already have laws against abuse.


And we have laws against incest. Incest is really abusive, although strangely that idea is lost here...



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27 Aug 2020, 3:50 pm

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I dont get laws against incest. The real issue I see is the cheating.


What about abuse?
It was consensual and both parties were decades above age of consent,there was no abuse in this case.


Really? Adults don't abuse each other? Consent becomes very complex in these cases.
In this bizarre case the sad part is that they really wanted each other.


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27 Aug 2020, 4:28 pm

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I had to look ...

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Is that the couple from the news article,where did you get the photo?


Are they step relatives, or biological? They dont even look like they are in the same ethnic group, much less the same nuclear family. He looks like an Asian Indian, and she looks like a WASP American.



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27 Aug 2020, 4:29 pm

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vermontsavant wrote:
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I dont get laws against incest. The real issue I see is the cheating.


What about abuse?
It was consensual and both parties were decades above age of consent,there was no abuse in this case.


Really? Adults don't abuse each other? Consent becomes very complex in these cases.



it is not abuse if they both consented. The son was an adult, he chose to cheat on his wife by having an affair with his mom.


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27 Aug 2020, 4:56 pm

20 years is a bit too much time in prison for incest, even though I find it gross and weird, but 20 years?

We know of a middle-aged man who raped a 5-year-old girl and he only got 8 years in prison.


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27 Aug 2020, 5:17 pm

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20 years is a bit too much time in prison for incest, even though I find it gross and weird, but 20 years?

We know of a middle-aged man who raped a 5-year-old girl and he only got 8 years in prison.
I think it's an archaic law that was never taken off the books.They won't get 20 years.


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27 Aug 2020, 5:28 pm

No, absolutely not. You cannot make this legal. Even if you think it's ok if they're consenting adults (which seems ridiculous to me anyway). Here's why:

Say you make "sex between family members legal, if they're consenting adults".

A sexually disturbed parent or older family member can feel sexual attraction to their younger family member, and "groom" the kid until they're "of age" and then initiate a sexual relationship with them (raise them to think this is ok and even expected, during impressionable years). Of course if it's legal then it'll now be validated by the government (horrible idea). This would start to be a common thing, it would be awful.

Looking at this case is the tip of the iceberg. It's quite possible this happened earlier on between these two, going all the way back to when he was a kid. They probably didn't just develop these feelings over night.

Parents could raise their kids saying "ok, well it's your job when you're 18 to do these things with mommy and daddy". Hell, they might even abuse them earlier on and tell them they can't say anything until they're 18.

This just muddies the waters to make it legal *on any level* for family members to have sex. It's wrong and it should not be legal.

20 years prison time is *probably a little extreme* and I doubt that's what anyone will be getting here.