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09 Sep 2020, 2:31 pm

A report just came out the other day that fifty-two percent of young adults in the United States between the ages of 18 and 29 live with their parents. They say that this pandemic is partly to blame with all of the job losses that have occurred. More young adults now live with their parents than young adults during the Great Depression. I think that a significant amount of young adults were living with their parents before the pandemic began. Many young adults are drowning in student loan debt and they can't find jobs in their field. The cost of living is high and jobs don't pay a living wage. Millennials are the most educated generation yet they have the most debt and can't find good-paying jobs. It's also one of many reasons why the birth rate keeps falling in the United States. Most young adults can barely afford to take care of themselves so starting a family is not an option for them. If jobs paid a living wage or the cost of living came down, I think you would see more young adults living on their own. It's not the fault of this generation, we have a system that doesn't work.



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09 Sep 2020, 3:21 pm

I guess I avoided that cause my parents died when I was younger.


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09 Sep 2020, 4:36 pm

Interesting statistics ... The Five-Thirty-Eight website provided the data for this table, and they tried to spin it in such a way as to show that the majority of Millennials were choosing "useful" degrees.

19.5% -- Business, management, marketing, and related support services (HASS).
17.2% -- Social sciences (HASS).
10.5% -- Health professions and related programs (STEM).
10.4% -- Biological and biomedical sciences (STEM).
10.2% -- Engineering (STEM).
8.56% -- Psychology (HASS).
6.95% -- Visual and performing arts (HASS).
3.81% -- Education (HASS).
3.41% -- Communication, journalism, and related programs (HASS).
2.41% -- Computer and information sciences and support services (STEM).
2.41% -- Physical sciences (STEM).
2.34% -- English language and literature/letters (HASS).
2.34% -- Homeland security, law enforcement, firefighting, and related protective services (HASS).
100% -- TOTAL

... yet only about a third (~35.9%) of Millennials chose STEM degrees -- Science, Technology, Engineering, and Maths.

What gives?  A degree is "useless" only when it does not (immediately) lead to gainful employment, and somewhere between 20 and 30 percent of all Millennials are either unemployed or under-employed and facing the unenviable situation of being unable to pay off their tuition loans.  It's no wonder that most seem to be living with their parents.

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Picking "Useless" Degrees.


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09 Sep 2020, 7:03 pm

Fnord wrote:
Interesting statistics ... The Five-Thirty-Eight website provided the data for this table, and they tried to spin it in such a way as to show that the majority of Millennials were choosing "useful" degrees.

19.5% -- Business, management, marketing, and related support services (HASS).
17.2% -- Social sciences (HASS).
10.5% -- Health professions and related programs (STEM).
10.4% -- Biological and biomedical sciences (STEM).
10.2% -- Engineering (STEM).
8.56% -- Psychology (HASS).
6.95% -- Visual and performing arts (HASS).
3.81% -- Education (HASS).
3.41% -- Communication, journalism, and related programs (HASS).
2.41% -- Computer and information sciences and support services (STEM).
2.41% -- Physical sciences (STEM).
2.34% -- English language and literature/letters (HASS).
2.34% -- Homeland security, law enforcement, firefighting, and related protective services (HASS).
100% -- TOTAL

... yet only about a third (~35.9%) of Millennials chose STEM degrees -- Science, Technology, Engineering, and Maths.

What gives?  A degree is "useless" only when it does not (immediately) lead to gainful employment, and somewhere between 20 and 30 percent of all Millennials are either unemployed or under-employed and facing the unenviable situation of being unable to pay off their tuition loans.  It's no wonder that most seem to be living with their parents.

Source:
Picking "Useless" Degrees.


STEM's hard is why, they pick the easy road and what could be easier than floating a loan and riding it four years in college? Then Mom and Dad pick up the tab after because "times r tuff." Meanwhile, the foreigners come on over on H1-B visas to snap up all the high-paying jobs that our youngsters can't do.

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09 Sep 2020, 10:24 pm

STEM jobs can be "lifeless soul killers" for non-introverts. :)


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09 Sep 2020, 11:15 pm

Fnord wrote:
Interesting statistics ... The Five-Thirty-Eight website provided the data for this table, and they tried to spin it in such a way as to show that the majority of Millennials were choosing "useful" degrees.

19.5% -- Business, management, marketing, and related support services (HASS).
17.2% -- Social sciences (HASS).
10.5% -- Health professions and related programs (STEM).
10.4% -- Biological and biomedical sciences (STEM).
10.2% -- Engineering (STEM).
8.56% -- Psychology (HASS).
6.95% -- Visual and performing arts (HASS).
3.81% -- Education (HASS).
3.41% -- Communication, journalism, and related programs (HASS).
2.41% -- Computer and information sciences and support services (STEM).
2.41% -- Physical sciences (STEM).
2.34% -- English language and literature/letters (HASS).
2.34% -- Homeland security, law enforcement, firefighting, and related protective services (HASS).
100% -- TOTAL

... yet only about a third (~35.9%) of Millennials chose STEM degrees -- Science, Technology, Engineering, and Maths.

What gives?  A degree is "useless" only when it does not (immediately) lead to gainful employment, and somewhere between 20 and 30 percent of all Millennials are either unemployed or under-employed and facing the unenviable situation of being unable to pay off their tuition loans.  It's no wonder that most seem to be living with their parents.

Source:
Picking "Useless" Degrees.


The American Psychological Association would take umbridge at you classifying their field as HASS. After all, they follow the scientist practitioner model.

https://www.apa.org/pubs/info/reports/stem-discipline



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10 Sep 2020, 10:09 am

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Fnord wrote:
Interesting statistics ... The Five-Thirty-Eight website provided the data for this table, and they tried to spin it in such a way as to show that the majority of Millennials were choosing "useful" degrees.

19.5% -- Business, management, marketing, and related support services (HASS).
17.2% -- Social sciences (HASS).
10.5% -- Health professions and related programs (STEM).
10.4% -- Biological and biomedical sciences (STEM).
10.2% -- Engineering (STEM).
8.56% -- Psychology (HASS).
6.95% -- Visual and performing arts (HASS).
3.81% -- Education (HASS).
3.41% -- Communication, journalism, and related programs (HASS).
2.41% -- Computer and information sciences and support services (STEM).
2.41% -- Physical sciences (STEM).
2.34% -- English language and literature/letters (HASS).
2.34% -- Homeland security, law enforcement, firefighting, and related protective services (HASS).
100% -- TOTAL

... yet only about a third (~35.9%) of Millennials chose STEM degrees -- Science, Technology, Engineering, and Maths.  What gives?  A degree is "useless" only when it does not (immediately) lead to gainful employment, and somewhere between 20 and 30 percent of all Millennials are either unemployed or under-employed and facing the unenviable situation of being unable to pay off their tuition loans.  It's no wonder that most seem to be living with their parents.  Source:
Picking "Useless" Degrees.
The American Psychological Association would take umbridge at you classifying their field as HASS. After all, they follow the scientist practitioner model.  https://www.apa.org/pubs/info/reports/stem-discipline
You're correct.  It's a typo.  MIT's curriculum includes Psychology under its "Brain and Cognitive Science Department", so it would also be a STEM course.

This still puts STEM degrees in the minority (~44.5%) for Millennials by a little over 5%.

Meanwhile, headhunters have been "discreetly" contacting me for interviews, and I am just a few years from retirement -- people with STEM degrees are in demand, even if those people are in their 60s!


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10 Sep 2020, 10:20 am

Exactly what I've been saying.

Most people I know in 20s and 30s live at home.

As long as we have a conversation about doing this as an adult, rather than as an overgrown child, there shouldn't be a problem.

I'm talking about people who cook our own meals, do our own cleaning, pay our rent etc.

No different to being a lodger except it's blood.



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10 Sep 2020, 10:41 am

I didn't function well enough until 38, and I am in my late 40s and still live with my mom.


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10 Sep 2020, 10:48 am

There's a housing shortage. How many of these parents own oversized American homes? At least they're being put to better use then!


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10 Sep 2020, 11:58 am

There are housing shortages in certain urban areas, while rural houses go vacant or are abandoned.


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10 Sep 2020, 12:29 pm

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There are housing shortages in certain urban areas, while rural houses go vacant or are abandoned.


True. Unfortunately, rural areas are greatly lacking in jobs and internet access. With the rapid acceleration of remote work, solving the rural internet problem seems like a great path forward.


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19 Oct 2020, 6:50 am

Carpeta wrote:
Fnord wrote:
There are housing shortages in certain urban areas, while rural houses go vacant or are abandoned.


True. Unfortunately, rural areas are greatly lacking in jobs and internet access. With the rapid acceleration of remote work, solving the rural internet problem seems like a great path forward.


U.S. is like a 3rd world country with internet and health care. Spain has us beat. So much vested interests, rich people getting fat off the suffering of the poor and the middle-class.

I'd live out in the sticks if there was decent internet.
Good news--don't mean to be all sour--is that Musk's Satellite plan should be providing broadband globally. I don't know when. Hopefully, soon.


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20 Oct 2020, 10:42 am

All of that is on steroids where I live.

Average income is around $50k - ~$54k province wide, but So Many people earn significantly less considering the outliers that make $$$$ and the fact that the average reported Household income in Vancouver is ~$73k... meanwhile, a house in my working class neighbourhood a 50min drive from downtown costs $1.2M. Just renting a single bedroom costs over $1000.00/mo in many shared apartments. Some people pay $1k/mo to rent a living room area of an apartment walled off with Japanese style partitions. It’s crazy - and little wonder So Many young adults live in their family homes still, or have moved back, or have fled to the distant suburbs or left the area completely.


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20 Oct 2020, 10:59 am

@Fnord: Are you saying that only people with STEM degrees are capable of making enough money to own their own homes?


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60 Percent Of Americans Surveyed in January of 2020, Reported Feelings of Isolation
And this Was Before the COVID-19 Pandemic; And Now In Some Areas of Business,
Almost 50 Percent are Tele-Working, Even More Isolated Alone without a
Family; Yes, Living on their own, the Problem is even more Severe, now.

Considering this and the Fact that Over 50 Percent of Ages up to 29 Living
With Parents and the Newest Generation, Experiencing the Most Lonely Assessed
Feelings Among All Generations assessed with Poor Mental Health this way as well
too; Living in Extended Families, While Slowing Greater Independence in Problems finding
Work that will allow Independence, May provide now at least some relief for the Connection
Required to Other Human Beings for Mental Health that indeed Most Social Animal Human
Beings Need for this Over-All Well Being.

As We continue to Center Life Electronically; i find in my Local Area More and More Community
Activities for Decades Are going away; and not only Because of the Pandemic as these were already
Going away for a while now; Festivals; Group Outings With Churches; Participation in All Group Activities,
Even Bowling Alone More Than League Play of Before; This Surely Changes a World of Face to Face Connection
Separating Humanity Even more; But True,

My Goodness Technology, Is most definitely Saving Lives this way that surely would have been impossible
to do Last Century in the 1918 Pandemic; as it's true, We Can Do Almost Anything online hehe; Except
Smell, Taste, And Really Touch Each other; For those interested in those parts of Life, So Emotional, indeed...

My Wife is Super Introverted And i am Super Extraverted; She'd Just As Well Stay at Home Than Do all
the 'Fun' Social Activities that have gone away gradually in the Last Decade that were available before now.

i Worked at A Military Bowling Center for almost 2 Decades; it wasn't even really Like Work; as i saw Families
Grow up as Truly Bowling Leagues Were Their Religion and They Could All Agree that a Common Enemy
of 10 Pins to Knock Down was their Only Real Opponent of Life And Bonding Force Keeping Social Cohesion;

And at the end of the Leagues all the Members; many of which were Immigrants into the Military from
Many Other Countries Held a Banquet to Celebrate; the Warmth Was Unmistakable, once one Walked into
the place for those Who Still Are able to even Feel the Warmth of Humanity; Most of them could then...

Connection; the
Home of Souls
Just Happy to truly
Be close Enough to each
other to Feel the Vibrations
of the Music of Empathy to Touch...

Fortunate, Am i then to truly Experience A
Village of 100 or so Regular Folks Changing
Predictable 5 Days of the Week; Entire Lifetimes
Centering Around a 10 Pin God/Devil to Knock Down...

Truly Amazing; And Enough incentive for me to find
A way; Anyway, to put Words into Warmth after losing
Effective Use of my Eyesight and Hearing for 66 Months...

All Shut-in;

But You See,

i came from a
Different Place;
i understood the
Value of the Small
Village; Beyond Measure;
The Forever now Warm Feeling of Being
Human; of course, More Specifically Great
Feelings Generated by Oxytocin, Serotonin,
Dopamine, and sure, the Occasional Rush of
Androgens among some and Estrogens among others too...

A Hundred or so Years ago; Living alone rare; but among many
now the Norm; Some How, some way, Work Became More important
Than the Village Working together once Supported; And it's true too

Use it or
lose it applies
to all stuff life;

When i was so very ill
then my Psychiatrist who
had no way to fix any of
my 19 Medical Disorders,
for his part the Loss of my Emotions
Said, He wouldn't be Surprised if folks
one day stop talking all together; indeed
A Kind of Self-Imposed 'Planet of the Apes';
Where the Apes Communicate With each other more than the Humans...

In Social Media; the Communication, if any more than likes, tends more
toward the Vapid and Shallow; but again; You See, i had almost 2 Decades
of Living Life, like 'the Dude' off 'the Big Lewbowski Movie'; only Difference

i got paid
to actually
Be Part
of all the
Human Warmth;
And from my Experience,
Moving from that Work to
5 Years of Much Higher Pay,
Attached to Screens as Higher
Level Manager and Administrator;

The Warmth Went Away

And Soon After that

Almost all of my

Humanity; for i became
as Cold as the Screen i was
Attached to; no Matter Season, just Dead inside...

i also Grew up in an extended Family With No TV
And Just Human Interaction as the only Social Activity there is..

A Living Room and Now a 6 inch Screen but true at least in
some connections in Life around the Globe, A Very Warm Place
of Words turned into Organic Human Warmth...

Honestly, among some of the
Folks i meet it's like i'm
the only Human
Man they've
Ever met
in their Life;
Ironically, in their
Life this makes me
Virtually An ET From
Another Planet that is
Really what Home is

Evolved to be...

Just another
Dude from A
Bowling Center;
Just another Dude
From A Village of Warmth Real...

That much i restored from my Humanity again....

And now, i am Back to the Work i did before; i just don't
Get paid and the '10 Pin God/Devil' is Different in this Place; yet

As Truly Now online for those Most disconnected; Politics is the New Religion;

the Warmth i Find now

Greets me the

Same

in some
Places Now

As From the
Old Bowling Alley Days...

It's Much More Unusual for Humanity
to Be on their own alone as evolved Per all
The Years We Survive and Thrive Together
in the Extended Home and Smaller Villages True Together Foraging in Groups.

The Father of my First Love Bragged He had the skills to find a Job Anywhere;

On the Other Hand, a person of few to no words then; mostly book smart at 18;

Now i have
the Skills
to connect
to Warmth Around
the Globe; True my
Bowling Center Village
Extends around the World Now..

In Homage to Jeff Bridges; 'the Dude'
Who Brought this Warmth to the Big Screen
of Bowling Centers in the late 90's; i wore
A 'Dude' Themed Shirt out and about to Public
Dance on Sunday Before He Announced He has Cancer this Week...

And Now in Many Ways as i travel the Globe i play A Role More Like He did in 'the Giver'...

'Cheers' to
Bowling in Leagues..

Cheers to
Really Working Together

Cheers to 'Friends'

Cheers to 'Cheers'
in More than A TV Show too of 'Friends'
As Yeah, Recently, i Used to be 'the Norm'
of the Dance Hall Bar; Before Covid-19
Shut that down; And 'Norm' As the
'Bowling Alley' Guy Before
Home Entertainment
Shut the
Leagues
Down there
And Changed
it all to 'Bowling Alone';

Yes, Real Cheers to
Just Loving Human Connections;

And Sad to Elders Found Dead in
High Rises in Japan increasingly
With Clean Up Crews Coming to
Sanitize Remains in Apartments;

Perhaps, When Folks Can Safely go
Maskless Again; maybe, We will try a bit
Harder to connect; or Maybe, We will just
Suffer more in Misery for a Species Paying the
Karma of taking so much Life away from the

Rest of Nature...

It truly is what
it is; but it is possible
to still find ways to Adapt and
Even Thrive; i am not afraid to Dance;
i am not afraid to Sing; but true, doing
it solo on my initiative used to Terrify me then..

For me at
least this
means
my Soul
Evolves Taller
than before as Younger
in Bigger Social Groups then; but
not Really Connecting as i can and will now...

Covid-19 is Just another Functional

Disability to Overcome;

i like Challenges;
it tastes better
When one
Works
for the Meal of Love...

Meh; in my Opinion
at least as this is my only Work now...

Yeah; after 3 College Degrees, i Lived at
Home until my Mid to Upper Twenties too...
But true too; i did not have the Skills to effectively
Survive in the Social World of Work in the Wild;
and that was Just About everything then in 1984;

If Computers had not come along in Bowling
Centers then; i probably never would have

Gotten Hired...

The only one
with one
Computer
Class who
Could Possibly
Help the folks then...
And that kept me in a Job
Until Early Retirement when
the Social Demands Overcame
my Social Abilities to Adapt then;
Behind a Counter; i always had a Shield;
i was never comfortable even standing next

to someone

then, Yet

Haha; Yes,
Now i Dance
next to them
in Safe enough
Social Distance still and close Enough
to Connect as still 'The Dancing Guy' Most amazingly

A 'Norm' Now in Trump Town USA; Complete Stranger,
Yet no Stranger than me Always FRiEnD to me now..:)

Overall, The World is becoming a Very Cold Limited
Emotional and Sensory Place to 'Breathe'; 'The Giver'
Movie Prophetic

Indeed

too....

For

Real

As No Different

Than Emotions Preceding

Human Reason; Fiction

Often Precedes

Our Shared

Realities too;

'Minions 1, 2, and 3',
And now even more; and me too;

'Terminator 1, 2, 3' and 'Matrix 1, 2, and 3';

As We are All Literally Doing 'Avatar' Now; Funny
Little Synchronicities, so Many Dark Haired, Dark Skinned
Indigenous Peoples, i meet from other places as 'Gravatar' too..

One thing for
Sure, i carry
A Rather Large
Tool Belt as Any Real Avatar Will...

'Brave New World' Now Without Much Sun or
Moon or StarS inDeed; So Much Like 'Back
to the Future' and 'Biff 'is really in charge...

HAha, Signing Off...

-Michael
Jackson Fox

Zen of Ego;
With No Deny
oF ART iN Being Human...

'THE GIVER' Movie Just About
Covers Everything i am Philosophizing;
'Chewing Fat' Here About Our Current State
of Good And Bad News About Being Human...

And Indeed, this is what i mean about the Importance
of the 'Deeper Story'; Without it We aRe Truly Lost From

Our Basic

Humanity for Real...

At LEast, Human HiStory And
Or HerStory, Suggests This Now, to me...

We All Need Life Lines, Wherever We May
Reach 'Them' or They May Find Us Now too...

For Giving Thanks Giving Love With Least Harm STill Now

Everyone
May Work
For Real on
This Real Life Job;
Pay Inherent Indeed;
Reward, Self Evident too..:)

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-sho ... be-helping


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