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21 Oct 2020, 9:53 am

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I'd actually like to see some information on exactly how many people who have died of coronavirus were already terminally or critically ill with a low chance of survival. I include conditions like Alzheimer's and dementia as being considered terminally ill, because these conditions reduce you to a vegetative state that most people wouldn't want to live in.

That can be estimated by excess deaths - difference between deaths in 2020 vs median of previous years.
This data can be gathered week-by-week for some countries, including the US.
https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/exce ... gion=World
The US and countries like Italy have visible spikes this year. For comparison, in Poland does not.


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21 Oct 2020, 10:04 am

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I'd actually like to see some information on exactly how many people who have died of coronavirus were already terminally or critically ill with a low chance of survival. I include conditions like Alzheimer's and dementia as being considered terminally ill, because these conditions reduce you to a vegetative state that most people wouldn't want to live in.

That can be estimated by excess deaths - difference between deaths in 2020 vs median of previous years.
This data can be gathered week-by-week for some countries, including the US.
https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/exce ... gion=World
The US and countries like Italy have visible spikes this year. For comparison, in Poland does not.

But a spike in deaths doesn't mean that most of the people who have died weren't terminally or critically ill. It could have just sped up the inevitable. And I'd have to know where this data came from. I don't trust the CDC or WHO. They're clearly left-biased.


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21 Oct 2020, 10:19 am

in 2018 it was calculated that 7,452 people die every day in the United States.

This year if 1,000 out of that 7,452 who will die today happen to have Covid-19, it could be said that an average of 365,000 people died of Covid-19 in 2020.

The question will be that since normally 2,719,980 people die per year in the US, how many will die in 2020?
Will it be a significantly higher number than 2,719,980?

So far it is being said that 200,000 have died from Covid-19. If that's 200,000 extra people, that will bring the total number of deaths from 2,719,980 to 2,919,980.



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21 Oct 2020, 10:21 am

^^ Who do you trust?


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21 Oct 2020, 10:26 am

Tempus Fugit wrote:
in 2018 it was calculated that 7,452 people die every day in the United States.

This year if 1,000 out of that 7,452 who will die today happen to have Covid-19, it could be said that an average of 365,000 people died of Covid-19 in 2020.

The question will be that since normally 2,719,980 people die per year in the US, how many will die in 2020?
Will it be a significantly higher number than 2,719,980?

So far it is being said that 200,000 have died from Covid-19. If that's 200,000 extra people, that will bring the total number of deaths from 2,719,980 to 2,919,980.

https://public.tableau.com/views/COVID_ ... share_link
This graph has zero in zero so it does show the magnitude of the phenomenon.


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21 Oct 2020, 10:27 am

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But it didn't kill Trump, because actually, it's not that serious.

When Donald Trump was infected with COVID-19, he received state of the art tax-payer funded medical treatment - including exclusive access to experimental drugs not available to anyone else infected by COVID-19.

He was also monitored 24-7 during his hospitalization by an entire team of medical doctors at a 100 percent public medical facility specifically designed to cater to the medical needs of the US president.

So Donald Trump's treatment does in no way whatsoever represent the treatment and prognosis for anyone else in the US (or perhaps in the entire world) who gets infected with COVID-19.


Has it been announced by the CDC that the medication Trump received will be made unavailable to the public?



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21 Oct 2020, 10:32 am

FYI 1.13 million have died world wide and the second wave of fatalities has just begun in the Northern hemisphere. So probably at least 2M before all is said and done.

Any sentiment in favor of locking this thread?


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21 Oct 2020, 10:37 am

So instead of it being 56,000,000 who die worldwide, it will be 58,000,000.



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21 Oct 2020, 10:38 am

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Truly, I feel that the only way to prevent users of this site from offending one another is to remove threads related to politics and controversial issues from the site entirely. If this is meant as a support site, it should be strictly that. I have very strong opinions and obviously other users do also. Arguing over politics serves no beneficial purpose to anyone on this site. It brings out the meanest, ugliest sides of our personality. We say things that are interpreted the wrong way, are exaggerated versions of our true beliefs, and that are hurtful to others, not helpful, although this is normally not the original intent. There are other places online for debating controversial issues. It's very hard to go on this site these days and not have controversial issues in your face. And, at least for me, it's hard to resist the temptation to debate them, although deep down I know this is both harmful and pointless. If I were in charge of this site, there would be no forums for debating politics or religion. I would remove any posts that relate to controversial issues, and "debates" would not be allowed. They almost always get ugly. This is not to "censor" anyone's free speech, I just feel that this site is not the proper place for this type of thing. I really don't blame the users who are leaving because of the hostility. Remove the root cause of the offensive comments and they won't happen at all.


It's Not a Matter of Opinion; It's a Matter of Fact
in Science That Masks Save Lives During a Pandemic.

Freedom Does not include the Right to Harm other Folks;

This is why Vaccinations are Required at Schools.

And this is why Masks Are Required where
State and Local Governments Rule the Rules.

And to Be Clear, i surely don't agree with
All the Rules; But as You already make
it Clear, You Don't Care About
Other Folks that much;
i surely don't expect
you to Understand as
Where i Live, So-Called 'Christians'
NoW A Portion of them Who Say they
Respect the Sanctity of Life, Do not
When Entire Rows of a Church Do Not
Wear a Mask Among Elder Folks Wearing
A Mask to Protect them; You've
Already Said You Are not
Worried about those
Elder Lives; There
Surely is Nothing me
or anyone Else Will
Do to 'Make' You
Change Your
Heart on that.

In My Opinion
i do not Agree with
You and in My Opinion
The Law Should Regulate
This in All Cases Where Necessary;

In My County it does not; in the Next
County it does; That's Life; In A Democracy,
The People's Representatives Rule; whether right
or wrong; They Stay or Go Depending on What Folks Vote Next.

Polls now give Donald Trump a 1 in 10 Chance of Success;

The Pandemic is Likely
Not going to 'Enjoy'
The Political Fall-out
of Empathy That Cares about
other Human Beings And Wants
to Save All Life in Sanctity For Real...

Including Keeping The Economy Strong and Open

Where Human Life Counts Most Overall For Real.

You Don't Offend me; No one does in a Personal way
At Church; i am Smart Enough to Keep my Self out of Trouble.

It doesn't help me to Be Personally Offended; but it's true, i do tend

to make change happen too..

We are Apparently
on Different Ends
of A Spectrum
And that's
Okay
With me too...

On the Other Hand,
This is a Place for Support
of the Living; Not a Place For Cruelty of Death in Opinions As
That Affects the Emotions of People Much More Vulnerable than i am here.

Sadly this is not the Rule at The Church, i still Visit as an 'Observer'...

The People Over in the Next Community Are Cooperating to Save each other's LIVES

AND IN doing so With Masks Keeping the Economy Open and Strong too

Just like in Asia

Science Saves Lives;

Ignorance Kills;

Enlightening
True for Those
Who Do See it and Act Accordingly.

Those Folks Are Surely Refreshing in my Life to Be around..

Meh; only 13 Miles Out of that Kind of Ignorance of Science Where i Live.

As Far As Science Goes and Keeping Folks Safe, Healthy, And the Economy Thriving;

this indeed is a Face Palm

Issue,

Forest
Thick
as Thick
As i've Ever Seen
Even Where i Live.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/20 ... -forecast/

Ah, the Poet Laureate returns :roll: :lol:
If people want to take the risk going to church, or anywhere else, and not wear a mask, it's their business. This country has separation of church and state, so the government can't force them.
When Trump wins, I'll be laughing at your left-biased polls. God help this country if the dementia-riddled communist wins. He can't even speak coherently.
Freedom does include the right to do what I want with my body. It's not harming anyone, because the high-risk people shouldn't even be around me or others. I don't want them, or most other people, around me at all.
Science also tells us the world is overpopulated. I'm fine with anything that controls this, or we're all screwed eventually.
So do what you want, but don't try to force your beliefs on me.


Smiles 'Dear', You
Are Speaking Your
Truth i appreciate
That More than
'Pencemeat Pie';
Dig Your Own Life;
We All Do 'This or That Way'
And Yes, i agree as far as the Biggest
Picture Goes the Hole You Are Digging
is the Same Hole the Rest of Human Cultures are doing

Therefore

Ignorance

And

Death...

The Dragon Fly
And Cockroach
God's Chosen
Few Nature's Meek
Reality in Balance
Inheriting the Earth
Will Continue Now
to Survive and Thrive
As They have Done for
300 MiLLioN Years after
We are Gone for 300 MiLLioN
Years No Dust of Tall Golden Pyramids Left...

Smiles, Don't Judge me, if You will,

by Poetry alone; i may be Much

More like you than You 'know'...

For at 'least'

WHeRe i Have Been...


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21 Oct 2020, 10:41 am

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So instead of it being 56,000,000 who die worldwide, it will be 58,000,000.

By this reasoning, you can just go to streets murdering random people - statistically, your actions will be completely insignificant :skull:


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21 Oct 2020, 11:40 am

magz wrote:
Tempus Fugit wrote:
So instead of it being 56,000,000 who die worldwide, it will be 58,000,000.

By this reasoning, you can just go to streets murdering random people - statistically, your actions will be completely insignificant :skull:


I wasn't attempting such reasoning. I was just displaying results.



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21 Oct 2020, 11:42 am

Tempus Fugit wrote:
I wasn't attempting to reason.
Thank you for clarifying it :mrgreen:


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21 Oct 2020, 11:44 am

MaxE wrote:
Any sentiment in favor of locking this thread?

PLEASE!! !! Let it die already!! !


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21 Oct 2020, 11:47 am

Tempus Fugit wrote:
magz wrote:
Tempus Fugit wrote:
So instead of it being 56,000,000 who die worldwide, it will be 58,000,000.

By this reasoning, you can just go to streets murdering random people - statistically, your actions will be completely insignificant :skull:


I wasn't attempting such reasoning. I was just displaying results.

I don't know where you got these numbers.


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21 Oct 2020, 11:53 am

MaxE wrote:
Tempus Fugit wrote:
magz wrote:
Tempus Fugit wrote:
So instead of it being 56,000,000 who die worldwide, it will be 58,000,000.

By this reasoning, you can just go to streets murdering random people - statistically, your actions will be completely insignificant :skull:


I wasn't attempting such reasoning. I was just displaying results.

I don't know where you got these numbers.


https://ourworldindata.org/causes-of-death

But that number is pretty well known and can be found in other sources. The number may vary depending on what year a particular source was published. As the global population increases per year, so does the motility rate.



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21 Oct 2020, 12:00 pm

magz wrote:
^^ Who do you trust?

My own intuition, mostly.
My family and acquaintances.
Neutral or right-leaning news sources.
Donald Trump. I trust him. So there, I said it. Make of it what you will.
I used to trust Science, until I learned how biased much of it is.
But maybe we should do as Mulder advised, and "trust no one" :D