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30 Sep 2020, 4:14 am

During the recent debate, Trump was asked if he would denounce racism and violence against anti-fascists.

He replied: "Proud Boys, stand back and stand by"

Proud Boys is an extremely right wing fascist group determined to use violence.

Also Trump has denied he would voluntarily acknowledge if he lose the election.



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30 Sep 2020, 4:20 am



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30 Sep 2020, 8:09 am

thinkinginpictures wrote:
Trump is fascist.
Water is wet.


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30 Sep 2020, 8:46 am

Fascist = Anything the Left doesn't like.



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30 Sep 2020, 8:50 am

Mr Reynholm wrote:
Fascist = Anything the Left doesn't like.
Wrong again.  Fascism is a political philosophy, movement, or regime that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition.

This is everything that MAGA stands for; nothing more, and nothing less.


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30 Sep 2020, 10:22 am

Just been reading about the Proud Boys. Sounds like they are actual white supremacists. how can he be taken serious saying to them on live telly to 'stand by'?!



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30 Sep 2020, 2:13 pm

Fnord wrote:
thinkinginpictures wrote:
Trump is fascist.
Water is wet.


But Trump-supporters claim that Trump is not a fascist. That he is right about everything.

They could as well claim to know of an "alternative fact" that water can also be dry.



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30 Sep 2020, 3:00 pm

A moderator just edited my OP.

Obviously, there is no freedom of expression on WP.
You can't say what are obvious facts.



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30 Sep 2020, 3:17 pm

Mr Reynholm wrote:
Fascist = Anything the Left doesn't like.


Why do open fascists and others who embrace indistinguishable ideologies (but reject the accurate label) always claim this? Are they misinformed or do they know they're lying?



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30 Sep 2020, 3:18 pm

funeralxempire wrote:
Mr Reynholm wrote:
Fascist = Anything the Left doesn't like.


Why do open fascists and others who embrace indistinguishable ideologies (but reject the accurate label) always claim this? Are they misinformed or do they know they're lying?



Both?


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30 Sep 2020, 3:26 pm

League_Girl wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
Mr Reynholm wrote:
Fascist = Anything the Left doesn't like.


Why do open fascists and others who embrace indistinguishable ideologies (but reject the accurate label) always claim this? Are they misinformed or do they know they're lying?



Both?


I agree, but I was hoping Reynholm might attempt an honest answer. :nerdy:



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30 Sep 2020, 3:36 pm

This campaign appeal of the Trumps (both the junior and Trump himself) to build a personal "army" is spine chilling:

https://www.mediapost.com/publications/ ... y-rep.html

Trump has used his Twitter account to push for more people to register.

In any other democratic country, this would be a political disgrace.

The number of USA citizens googling How to Emigrate to New Zealand soared to new heights yesterday. No surprise there. The billionaires are already here. They have been arriving since Trump's election.



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30 Sep 2020, 4:02 pm

funeralxempire wrote:
League_Girl wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
Mr Reynholm wrote:
Fascist = Anything the Left doesn't like.
Why do open fascists and others who embrace indistinguishable ideologies (but reject the accurate label) always claim this? Are they misinformed or do they know they're lying?
Both?
I agree, but I was hoping Reynholm might attempt an honest answer.

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30 Sep 2020, 4:52 pm

funeralxempire wrote:
Mr Reynholm wrote:
Fascist = Anything the Left doesn't like.


Why do open fascists and others who embrace indistinguishable ideologies (but reject the accurate label) always claim this? Are they misinformed or do they know they're lying?


Fascist has become too much of a dirty word. And of course it's been overused by both sides for any number of reasons.
They've had to come up with more sanitized labels for themselves: white identitarian, dissident right, race realists, defenders of history, etc.
Some have even been trying lately to rehabilitate 'nationalist', with little success.

But yes, by the traditional definition of fascist as a right-wing authoritarian militaristic nationalist, Trump absolutely fits the bill. This is not a new or novel observation.


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30 Sep 2020, 9:57 pm

roronoa79 wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
Mr Reynholm wrote:
Fascist = Anything the Left doesn't like.


Why do open fascists and others who embrace indistinguishable ideologies (but reject the accurate label) always claim this? Are they misinformed or do they know they're lying?


Fascist has become too much of a dirty word. And of course it's been overused by both sides for any number of reasons.
They've had to come up with more sanitized labels for themselves: white identitarian, dissident right, race realists, defenders of history, etc.
Some have even been trying lately to rehabilitate 'nationalist', with little success.

But yes, by the traditional definition of fascist as a right-wing authoritarian militaristic nationalist, Trump absolutely fits the bill. This is not a new or novel observation.


Obvious from his love of authoritarian strongmen around the globe, at the expense of our democratically elected allies.


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04 Oct 2020, 1:41 pm

I didn't see Biden denouncing Antifa or BLM. The majority of the violence and destruction is coming from them. Antifa and BLM are all about causing mayhem. They are much louder than white supremacy groups. I don't support the KKK, Nazi groups, or white supremacy, but I also don't support Antifa or BLM. The media wants you to believe that it is only right wing groups causing destruction when it is in fact the far-left groups causing it.