Many rioters arrested are suburban young adults
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AP finds most arrested in protests aren't leftist radicals
Very few of those charged appear to be affiliated with highly organized extremist groups, and many are young suburban adults from the very neighborhoods Trump vows to protect from the violence in his reelection push to win support from the suburbs.
Attorney General William Barr has urged his prosecutors to bring federal charges on protesters who cause violence and has suggested that rarely used sedition charges could apply. And the Department of Justice has pushed for detention even as prisons across the U.S. were releasing high-risk inmates because of COVID-19 and prosecutors had been told to consider the risks of incarceration during a pandemic when seeking detention.
Defense attorneys and civil rights activists are questioning why the Department of Justice has taken on cases to begin with. They say most belong in state court, where defendants typically get much lighter sentences. And they argue federal authorities appear to be cracking down on protesters in an effort to stymie demonstrations.
“It is highly unusual, and without precedent in recent American history,” said Ron Kuby, a longtime attorney who isn’t involved in the cases but has represented scores of clients over the years in protest-related incidents.
Of more than 300 arrested, there are about 286 defendants, others had charges dropped. Some live in cities like Portland and Seattle where local prosecutors declined to bring some protest-related charges.
Some of those facing charges undoubtedly share far-left and anti-government views. Far-right protesters also have been arrested and charged. Some defendants have driven to protests from out of state. Some have criminal records and were illegally carrying weapons. Others are accused of using the protests as an opportunity to steal or create havoc.
But many have had no previous run-ins with the law and no apparent ties to antifa, the umbrella term for leftist militant groups that Trump has said he wants to declare a terrorist organization.
In thousands of pages of court documents, the only apparent mention of antifa is in a Boston case in which authorities said a FBI Gang Task Force member was investigating “suspected ANTIFA activity associated with the protests” when a man fired at him and other officers. Authorities have not claimed that the man accused of firing the shots is a member of antifa.
Others have social media leftist ties; a Seattle man who expressed anarchist beliefs on social media is accused of sending a message through a Portland citizen communication portal threatening to blow up a police precinct.
Several of the defendants are not from the Democratic-led cities that Trump has likened to “war zones" but from the suburbs the Republican president has claimed to have “saved.” Of the 93 people arrested on federal criminal charges in Portland, 18 defendants are from out of state, the Justice Department said.
More than 40% of those facing federal charges are white. At least a third are Black, and about 6% Hispanic. More than two-thirds are under the age of 30 and most are men. More than a quarter have been charged with arson, which if convicted means a five-year minimum prison sentence. More than a dozen are accused of civil disorder, and others are charged with burglary and failing to comply with a federal order. They were arrested in cities across the U.S., from Portland, Oregon, to Minneapolis, Boston and New York.
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I already knew this back in May and people have always refused to believe it. In Minneapolis where the rioting took place, those who were arrested were from outside the area.
I also heard other reports about this from other places too about other areas, people being arrested were not from the area, are white supremacist's.
But it's all been painted as the left wing doing it.
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The headline of “most arrested are not leftist radicals” does not completely conflate to what was in the article. The headline is meant to lead you to the conclusion the riots are mostly a right wing false flag operation. What the article actually says is that there are no know ties to Antifa. That makes sense because it is by design. That is why Antifa and BLM are decentralized. The strategy is to radicalize people to do stuff for them while keeping several degrees of separation from the “lone wolves”. That is certainly not unique to Antifa and BLM. The alt right pleads ignorance all the time. Al Quada was doing this long before anybody heard of Antifa.
As in any riot you have apolitical people that are there because they get off on destroying stuff. And you do have your right wingers doing it to blame the left.
I still suspect most of the suburban “Antifa” property destroyers are radicalized “leftists” doing it to be “Anti racist” to make up for their guilt over their lily white privileged upbringing. I would guess the reason most of them have no record is that they were radicalized by the very public murder of George Floyd which was just a few months ago.
Anitifa and BLM gets what they want in two ways. Stuff they want destroyed gets destroyed. The alt right false flaggers getting arrested pushes the narrative that Antifa/BLM are righteous innocent heroes fighting fascism and racism.
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This makes me think of Maslow’s Hierarchy of Needs.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maslow's_hierarchy_of_needs
Basically, if you are poor, you don’t have enough energy to be too concerned about abstract ideals. Because you may be hungry, tired, or scared. If you are well fed and safe, you have the mental and emotional energy to devote to abstractions. Like social structure and it’s fairness.
I also heard other reports about this from other places too about other areas, people being arrested were not from the area, are white supremacist's.
But it's all been painted as the left wing doing it.
But, if the left create a situation that encourages this sort of behaviour, protects those who behave in these ways, and do nothing to try and stop those behaving in these ways, are they not as culpable (if not more) than the few "white supremecists" who decide to join in with the left's activities?
Similarly, just because people come from outside an area, it does not mean they are "white supremecists": Antifa and BLM were advertising events and encouraging people to attend, so it is disingenous to insinuate that only those on the "right" would heed the call and come to participate.
I also heard other reports about this from other places too about other areas, people being arrested were not from the area, are white supremacist's.
But it's all been painted as the left wing doing it.
But, if the left create a situation that encourages this sort of behaviour, protects those who behave in these ways, and do nothing to try and stop those behaving in these ways, are they not as culpable (if not more) than the few "white supremecists" who decide to join in with the left's activities?
There have been protesters trying to stop rioters and looters. I saw clips being posted on Twitter by people who were filming people telling looters to not do it.
It's sad how we sometimes have to get real news in social media by other people who take personal videos and share them online to get the truth out there we will never hear in the media. Same as when we hear real stories from people who were actually there and they say what actually happened.
But what can you do when someone wants to break in or spray paint? It's not like they will listen when you tell them not to do it. Grabbing them means trouble.
And I don't buy looting has anything to do with BLM or else they wouldn't be destroying black businesses as well and there was a video of one black woman shouting at the camera about her business being destroyed and saying "you don't care about black lives at all."
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... store.html
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mh9E1FcOZrw
Sadly no reliable news source seemed to have covered this and Twitter kept removing the video which I thought was strange.
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As in any riot you have apolitical people that are there because they get off on destroying stuff. And you do have your right wingers doing it to blame the left.
I still suspect most of the suburban “Antifa” property destroyers are radicalized “leftists” doing it to be “Anti racist” to make up for their guilt over their lily white privileged upbringing. I would guess the reason most of them have no record is that they were radicalized by the very public murder of George Floyd which was just a few months ago.
Anitifa and BLM gets what they want in two ways. Stuff they want destroyed gets destroyed. The alt right false flaggers getting arrested pushes the narrative that Antifa/BLM are righteous innocent heroes fighting fascism and racism.
This is one of the challenges of having a 300 million person population. It doesn't take many people involved in this sort of thing to cause a serious problem. Similarly we've got other pressures, both Covid and economy, shortening everyone's fuses.
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I also heard other reports about this from other places too about other areas, people being arrested were not from the area, are white supremacist's.
But it's all been painted as the left wing doing it.
But, if the left create a situation that encourages this sort of behaviour, protects those who behave in these ways, and do nothing to try and stop those behaving in these ways, are they not as culpable (if not more) than the few "white supremecists" who decide to join in with the left's activities?
There have been protesters trying to stop rioters and looters. I saw clips being posted on Twitter by people who were filming people telling looters to not do it.
It's sad how we sometimes have to get real news in social media by other people who take personal videos and share them online to get the truth out there we will never hear in the media. Same as when we hear real stories from people who were actually there and they say what actually happened.
But what can you do when someone wants to break in or spray paint? It's not like they will listen when you tell them not to do it. Grabbing them means trouble.
And I don't buy looting has anything to do with BLM or else they wouldn't be destroying black businesses as well and there was a video of one black woman shouting at the camera about her business being destroyed and saying "you don't care about black lives at all."
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... store.html
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mh9E1FcOZrw
Sadly no reliable news source seemed to have covered this and Twitter kept removing the video which I thought was strange.
Anarchy benefits both the the woke and alt right causes. The leadership of both are happy to encourage it. It creates a desire for a strong man be it a strong man that imposes “anti racist” or white supremacist authoritarianism. I did post an article whereby rioters were discouraging other rioters from attacking residential homes. I suspect most BLM protesters are peaceful and want peaceful protest. They are useful to the trained marxist leadership of BLM because violence is a turn off to a lot of people they need to support the revolution. BLM is not unique in this, it is par for the course for politicians to say one thing to one audience and a different thing to another audience.
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No, that's not the reason why Antifa and BLM are decentralized. The decentralized approach is common today in political movements of all sorts, for various reasons. One reason is because, in today's social media world, the decentralized approach is just a whole lot easier. Another, older reason is to avoid over-reliance on a central leader, whose assassination then cripples the movement.
I'm pretty sure most BLM protesters don't want their protests to be accompanied by looting. But, given their structure, there isn't much they can do about it. I do think they could and should condemn the looters a lot more vocally and strongly than they do. But their inability to control the looters and vandals is recognized, within the movement itself, as a disadvantage of the decentralized approach:
Other movements have faced this challenge as well. Hong Kong’s protesters were widely criticized after a journalist from China’s state-run Global Times newspaper was assaulted and his hands bound by a crowd during an airport sit-in last August. Other protesters made statements of apology for the incident.
- from The George Floyd Protests Show Leaderless Movements Are the Future of Politics by Joshua Keating, Slate, June 09, 2020.
See also:
- Why the Black Lives Matter movement doesn't want a singular leader by Laura Barron-Lopez, Politico, 07/22/2020.
- Black Lives Matter: decentralised leadership and the problems of online organising, The Conversation, July 15, 2020.
There do exist some political movements for which your understanding of the purpose of the de-centralized approach is correct. An infamous example is Louis A. Beam's "leaderless resistance," which was specifically intended as a strategy for white nationalist terrorists (and has been copied by Western fans of the Islamic State). Here, it seems that the main point of encouraging "lone wolf" attacks was to minimize the number of people who would get in trouble for any given violent or otherwise criminal act, and also make it harder for the police or FBI to keep tabs on the movement.
This is very different from Black Lives Matter, which doesn't try to hide itself at all.
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No, that's not the reason why Antifa and BLM are decentralized. The decentralized approach is common today in political movements of all sorts, for various reasons. One reason is because, in today's social media world, the decentralized approach is just a whole lot easier. Another, older reason is to avoid over-reliance on a central leader, whose assassination then cripples the movement.
I'm pretty sure most BLM protesters don't want their protests to be accompanied by looting. But, given their structure, there isn't much they can do about it. I do think they could and should condemn the looters a lot more vocally and strongly than they do. But their inability to control the looters and vandals is recognized, within the movement itself, as a disadvantage of the decentralized approach:
Other movements have faced this challenge as well. Hong Kong’s protesters were widely criticized after a journalist from China’s state-run Global Times newspaper was assaulted and his hands bound by a crowd during an airport sit-in last August. Other protesters made statements of apology for the incident.
- from The George Floyd Protests Show Leaderless Movements Are the Future of Politics by Joshua Keating, Slate, June 09, 2020.
See also:
- Why the Black Lives Matter movement doesn't want a singular leader by Laura Barron-Lopez, Politico, 07/22/2020.
- Black Lives Matter: decentralised leadership and the problems of online organising, The Conversation, July 15, 2020.
There do exist some political movements for which your understanding of the purpose of the de-centralized approach is correct. An infamous example is Louis A. Beam's "leaderless resistance," which was specifically intended as a strategy for white nationalist terrorists (and has been copied by Western fans of the Islamic State). Here, it seems that the main point of encouraging "lone wolf" attacks was to minimize the number of people who would get in trouble for any given violent or otherwise criminal act, and also make it harder for the police or FBI to keep tabs on the movement.
This is very different from Black Lives Matter, which doesn't try to hide itself at all.
We can’t mind read and since we are autistic we are supposedly weak in this skill so all we can do is agree to disagree on motivations. We must read there “coordinated” messages with a grain of salt. They are politicians, non traditional ones, but politicians. The messages we are mostly peaceful, we are just trying to end racially motivated police brutality,simple, how can you be against that?. Riots in our name?, Critical Race Theory don’t look there. If they were really against the violence as a part of their movement they would make condemning it a feature not try to deflect from it. I can understand why if they found out somebody was going to do something bad in their name they would not go to the police but they could go to social media.
Back to mind reading. The founders talked about their marxist training. Before going any further I must discuss something a I have not brought up and should have when I have discussed that interview I assume they have come to regret. BLM is not a marxist organization in the colloquial way most think of marxism. While there is some overlap marxism is centered around, class and economics, BLM for lack of a better term identity politics. Marxism is an influence not a manual. The tactics, weaponization of language, how they are revolutionary in the ways I have described in other threads IMHO that look similar to marxist ones makes it not unreasonable for me to come to the conclusion I have.
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Basically, if you are poor, you don’t have enough energy to be too concerned about abstract ideals. Because you may be hungry, tired, or scared. If you are well fed and safe, you have the mental and emotional energy to devote to abstractions. Like social structure and it’s fairness.
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I also heard other reports about this from other places too about other areas, people being arrested were not from the area, are white supremacist's.
But it's all been painted as the left wing doing it.
But, if the left create a situation that encourages this sort of behaviour, protects those who behave in these ways, and do nothing to try and stop those behaving in these ways, are they not as culpable (if not more) than the few "white supremecists" who decide to join in with the left's activities?
Similarly, just because people come from outside an area, it does not mean they are "white supremecists": Antifa and BLM were advertising events and encouraging people to attend, so it is disingenous to insinuate that only those on the "right" would heed the call and come to participate.
How exactly was a bunch of red hats rioting the fault of the left? Do you have any evidence whatsoever that 'the left' was involved in this insurrection? Was it leftists rampaging while decked out in their confederate flags and pro-Trump merch? So far all of the people arrested are affiliated with far-right causes.
Based on the available evidence what appears disingenuous are far-right disinformation sources trying to pin this on their opponents.
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