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05 Jan 2021, 8:15 pm

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This is the Aboriginal perspective they DO NOT want you to see

Skip to 4 minutes.




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05 Jan 2021, 8:21 pm

Looks like you skipped the whole thing.


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05 Jan 2021, 8:24 pm

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Looks like you skipped the whole thing.


At 4 minutes, the aboriginal woman gives her opinion. 8)



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05 Jan 2021, 8:30 pm

Never mind - I wasn't seeing it in Internet Exploiter, so I switched to Firefox.


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05 Jan 2021, 9:11 pm

old_comedywriter wrote:
Never mind - I wasn't seeing it in Internet Exploiter, so I switched to Firefox.


Ahhh!
Now I understand what you meant. :thumright: .

I have had that problem before, also.



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05 Jan 2021, 9:27 pm

Unfortunately, there is a division within the "Aboriginal" subset of the population...
On one side there are the "city" group (those who live in the larger cities around the country), whose lives\lifestyles are generally little different from those non-aboriginal" people in the area in which they live, and who often additionally are the beneficiaries of government support designed for the Aboriginal population. This is also the dominant source of "Aboriginal spokespeople" referenced by the media (whether due to proximity to the media, or because their opinion is preferred by the media is not known).

On the other side, you have those living in the outback communities and smaller towns around the country, who (particularly in the settlements) are in need of the support and to be heard, but are ignored in favor of the city subset. These people (particularly those in the settlements) are generally some of the poorest people in the country, and have the least access to resources that those in the cities take for granted such as education and employment.

I'm not sure why, but the "city" subset are often (not always) more aligned with the causes being pushed by the political "left", whereas those in the country seem more aligned with the political "right" regarding what is needed\wanted\issues faced. Given the non-"Aboriginal" population in the city\country has a similar political divide (and it is also reflected in other countries), it would be interesting to know if there have been any unbiased studies that look into the cause of this city\country left\right alignment.



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05 Jan 2021, 10:06 pm

Sounds like Oz has the same problems as most countries.
Drugs, alcohol and violence all being fairly common in any western country.

I think a lot of the political activism is often orchestrated by one or more political players,
who are using it in order to influence the popular votes perception and influence their vote.

Not always a bad thing, not always a good thing, all depends on who is pulling the strings and why.



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05 Jan 2021, 10:40 pm

madbutnotmad wrote:
Sounds like Oz has the same problems as most countries.
Drugs, alcohol and violence all being fairly common in any western country.

I think a lot of the political activism is often orchestrated by one or more political players,
who are using it in order to influence the popular votes perception and influence their vote.

Not always a bad thing, not always a good thing, all depends on who is pulling the strings and why.


The problem is that it is generally the lower classes\poorer who are the most affected by "drugs, alcohol and violence", yet being of a lower class are seen as being less "worthy" by the media/those in power, and so their concerns are often ignored or misrepresented, unless they can be used to help push something fashionable to the media\higher classes.

Here it is used to push a narrative that "Aboriginals" need more money\are "disadvantaged", yet the additional funding\support that results from this tends to be directed to those with the least need (more affluent, city subset of the "Aboriginal" population), leaving the underlying problem faced by the lower class\poorer\most disavantaged in place (but, looked at cynically, available to be used repeatedly to get more funds in future).



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05 Jan 2021, 10:47 pm

Re: The video.

I found it interesting that the immediate response when asked what the main issues were, was to run away.
It looks like people are being intimidated into not talking about the real issues.



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06 Jan 2021, 3:20 am

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06 Jan 2021, 3:37 am

What a shocker, some indigenous people aren't attached to their occupier's celebrations. 8O

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Also, Rebel Media isn't exactly known for their credible reporting. It's the Canadian version of Breitbart.


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06 Jan 2021, 5:53 am

Pepe wrote:
Re: The video.

I found it interesting that the immediate response when asked what the main issues were, was to run away.
It looks like people are being intimidated into not talking about the real issues.

May be a family / group complexity.
I live in a culture where family is the primary social support network. People don't trust governments and other official entities, and they have good historical reasons not to.
Now, imagine you live in a family with serious issues - alcohol, drugs, violence, most likely all of them - but still, it's the only social network you can rely on, or at least you see it that way.
You don't want to talk about it to a stanger with a camera.
You don't want your kin to learn you told on them.
You have to be loyal because you don't trust the external world. Status quo, as sick as it might be, gives some predictability you're afraid to lose.


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06 Jan 2021, 7:25 am

magz wrote:
Pepe wrote:
Re: The video.

I found it interesting that the immediate response when asked what the main issues were, was to run away.
It looks like people are being intimidated into not talking about the real issues.

May be a family / group complexity.
I live in a culture where family is the primary social support network. People don't trust governments and other official entities, and they have good historical reasons not to.
Now, imagine you live in a family with serious issues - alcohol, drugs, violence, most likely all of them - but still, it's the only social network you can rely on, or at least you see it that way.
You don't want to talk about it to a stanger with a camera.
You don't want your kin to learn you told on them.
You have to be loyal because you don't trust the external world. Status quo, as sick as it might be, gives some predictability you're afraid to lose.


These problems, in the aboriginal community, have been politicised and distorted, based on what I have heard, from reliable sources.
I don't make these things up. ;)

Also:
We, here in Australia, don't have the depth of racial problems that are apparent in the USA.
In many situations, indigenous people have preferential treatment here, hence, the huge number of people registering aboriginality, even if it is a very tentative connection.
There are even people who lie about their ancestry, so they can join the demographic.

Bottom line: Listen to what the aboriginals themselves said.



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06 Jan 2021, 7:08 pm

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Bottom line: Listen to what the aboriginals themselves said.


Isn't that the immediate concerns of one old lady though? and secondly she didn't say she doesn't support Australia day, the flag or the changes in the constitution. The reporter is making her out to be one dimensional as if she isn't also vested in other things related to the wider aboriginal community.

The rebel media dude knows that white Australians see aboriginals as potential criminals and is pushing an agenda that money mean't for aboriginal education and health should be diverted to police,



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06 Jan 2021, 7:22 pm

Pepe wrote:
Also:
We, here in Australia, don't have the depth of racial problems that are apparent in the USA.
In many situations, indigenous people have preferential treatment here, hence, the huge number of people registering aboriginality, even if it is a very tentative connection.
There are even people who lie about their ancestry, so they can join the demographic.

Bottom line: Listen to what the aboriginals themselves said.


4% of your population make up 29% of your prison population and you don't think that is a problem?

American natives have their own self-governing tribes and legal protections not afforded to non-natives. And white European American try to claim native ancestry because they think it is cool. What is so different?

You seem to be point to one aboriginal woman. Do you have something not so anecdotal? From what I have read, Australian aboriginals are/have suffering/ed the same problems as American natives.



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06 Jan 2021, 7:31 pm

I live in a society where issues that the lady named - alcohol, drugs, crime - are not considered a race thing. They are issues of poverty, multi-generational trauma, lack of hope. People of the same ethnicity happen to be obviously on both sides here.

These are social problems. When there is additionally a barrier - like "race", whatever the term would mean - building trust necessary to adress them is even harder.


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