Sexual Assault by Another Person w/ an ASD Dx

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Note: For this topic I am going to have some very strict boundaries. I am NOT going to describe what happened. And I am not going to tolerate anyone making excuses for the people who did this and just saying it is poor social skills. Also, I am not going to tolerate people saying I don’t have the right to feel the way I do because it offends them.

Has anyone had this experience?

Basically, I really struggle with this experience and the fact that everyone seems to say people with ASD never lie or abuse people. Or almost never do.

Those experiences I had changed me as a person.

I feel like when we talk about sex offenders with ASD we ignore the fact that even if there is no direct touch involved (may be my case, may not be) that it can change the person to whom it happens.

We feel sorry for the offender with ASD when they get beat up in prison...but where is the compassion and empathy for the victim?

We have to make everything nice and special for the person who raped or abused someone.

That’s why I feel rage when I read these articles about offenders with ASD and people like John Elder Robinson making claims that they need something like the insanity defense because they supposedly do not know what they are doing could hurt someone.

If they don’t or can’t understand that, than IMO they should be confined. Because what they did was wrong.

I almost feel like someone like me is not even that important to the ASD community. As a result I don’t even care much to be apart of it.

And I don’t even really feel safe with most people with an ASD dx because a lot of them seem to not understand that they can hurt people. And when it’s explained to them they don’t seem to care much (and they may).

And btw, the people with ASD can go on and on about my feelings not being fair. However my feelings do not have to be fair.

Do not PM me about this topic or ask to.

As my therapist told me in high school, if you want to be in the real world, you need to be responsible for your actions.

IMO if someone cannot be accountable for their actions, they need to be locked away and kept away from everyone they cannot harm.

I'm sorry for what you went through. No one should have to deal with it.

See, the “experts” on ASD seem to...not understand that.

As someone who wants to become a psychiatrist I do think that it is important to understand that actions of one person can impact another.

And to understand that if someone abuses someone else then they do not get to make excuses.

And personally if I were to become a psychiatrist I would not treat people with ASD as their main issue if I were in a situation where I could choose.

Yes, that people with ASD don't lie or don't abuse people is simply a myth with little basis in reality. Some people with severe autism might not understand how to lie and might not have good enough social understanding to intentionally abuse others. But people with level 1 autism generally can and if they don't see why they shouldn't abuse someone that's a defect in their character not merely not knowing any better. They understand enough to know that they can hurt people and a more refined understanding isn't required to know why you shouldn't abuse people.

Unfortunately there is a subset of autistic people who do abuse people and unfortunately they or other people sometimes use autism as an excuse. Many of them probably know what they're doing or are intentionally in denial.

Also, what Lague_Girl says is very true. If someone can not be accountable for their actions others still need to be protected from their actions.

Well, if someone kills people because of not understanding consequences of their actions, that person is kept locked for the sake of not harming more people.
I don't see any difference if we substitute "kill" with "sexually abuse" here.
Punishment may be a disputable topic but protecting the rest of society is an obvious need for me.

See, a lot of people think these men (mainly they are talking about child porn) get coddled by the community or the “experts” because they have autism.

They say they are able to be taught...that to me is debatable.

I would prefer a case-by-case approach, especially when it comes to "teachability".
After all, the approach of criminal law is case-by-case, too.

I mean I can agree with that in some cases.

However, if the crime involves children (even virtually) than it should be made available to the public so they can keep their children away from them.

On that I am not going to debate.

Definitely, preventing further harm - in possibly efficient manner - should go first.

Yes.

Maybe yes, and maybe no.  All I will say about it is that (in my opinion) the perpetrators of these crimes deserve the harshest legal penalties possible, short of death; because if their victims have to suffer for years (or decades) with the memories of their crimes, then so should they.

And I include child porn in that, because there is a child behind the screen and they suffer from knowing that creeps are looking at images of them being raped and abused over and over.

Even a lot of psychopathic killers have standards that say no to raping kids.

All I want to ask John Elder Robinson is, “how many images of child porn have you looked at.”

And he would never answer that question honestly.

Full disclosure: the branch of psychiatry that interests me the most if Forensic Psychiatry.

As a result I have a zero tolerance policy for child abuse.

I am certain that the harshest place in Hell is reserved for such people.

I'm wondering why you are so focused on John Elder Robison.
I read his book and I'm now reading the Wiki article on him and I find nothing about child porn.

Yes. Because they want to claim sympathy when they sit their asses on the computer and watch a child being abused.

That just drains me of all my empathy for them.

Here you go. I see nothing in here that includes any compassion for the victims of these offenders.

Sometimes you need to dig deeper than the Wikipedia page.

And again, I am not going with the argument that these people don’t understand and thus need to be coddled.

And touch does not need to happen for someone to be scarred for years from abuse.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.psycho ... bout%3famp