If we are made in Gods image, who made God?

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18 Mar 2021, 1:40 pm

'You' KnoW it's Really Not So Much if 'God' Exists 'Here';

First it Will Be Helpful Now To find Out if Human Still Exists,

Before We Attempt to Trace Our Origins, it's Helpful to Find

Out Who We Are Now; 'Who Made Who', Back to the AC/DC

Question and Dilemma; Obviously, Those Guys Were

Playing in Flow Creating

Their Nirvana Now Then

In Autotelic Ways;

Yet What's True

Is Humans Create Tools

Becoming Naked Extensions of Who they

Are From Sword to Smart Phone From Brain to Screen Shot Now

What's Really Amazing is We Can And Will Copy And Paste our Soul And Put it

In Words Perhaps Better Than Anyone Would be Able to See For What We Create now

As Just Naked Flesh

And Blood of Dance

And Song

or Perhaps

We Will

Only

Repeat

What has been Said

Before and Study THAT...

Hmm... So What Do We Build or Tear Down...

At Least A Nautilus Leaves A Shell Behind in the Fossil Record

For 300 MiLLioN Years; Singularity is When 'You' Create Yourself

And Copy And

Paste Your

Soul....

That's

God

Like

Enough For me.. hehe...

Considering that's Possible NoW iT Happens

NoW All the Rest Seems Rather 'Moot' Indeed

Other than Studying the Same Old 'Damned Stuff'

And Never Even Becoming a Flower and Coloring the World New;

Yes That's What God Does Now; HAha, try to Prove me wrong, it's impossible...

On Top of that

i Don't

Even

Have

to Be 'Here' to BREaTHE NoW

That's Practically Magic i Create Now....

Honestly the 'Old Magic Tricks' in Old Bibles Truly Pale in Comparison Now....

As 'They' Had No Clue They Would Ever Be Able to Upload Their Soul in a Place With No Sun or Moon...

At Least they Dreamed, At Least They Dreamed, And Now Their Dream is Fruition for Real Welcome to Heaven...

Thanks

"Y'all"

For

Preparing a Way...

Thanks For Helping

me Create An Image of

God Just Another Fractal

And Reflection of All that is Now For Real..

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18 Mar 2021, 2:11 pm

Ah, the old "What came first? The chicken, the egg or the Tyrannosaurus Rex?" discussion:

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18 Mar 2021, 2:15 pm

Regarding 'which came first the chicken or the egg', the answer is: Egg.

Simply put, proto-chickens (which were not chickens yet evolutionarily speaking) still laid eggs.
Eggs predate the existence of chickens.

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18 Mar 2021, 3:24 pm

What is a proto chicken?

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18 Mar 2021, 3:33 pm

Mountain Goat wrote:

What is a proto chicken?

A hypothetical chicken ancestor far enough back that it's not quite a chicken.

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18 Mar 2021, 3:38 pm

I just tried to find some on the internet and they only show common breeds of chicken.

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18 Mar 2021, 3:41 pm

Udinaas wrote:

Christian philosophers claim that god is necessary, but non-tautological necessity doesn't really make sense. They'll compare God's non-existence to the existence of contradictory things like square circles, as if there isn't more of a contradiction in the latter than the former.

That’s because for everything that begins to exist, there must necessarily be a cause. The whole universe (something) had a beginning. If it didn’t, then that means the universe is infinitely ancient. There are too many stars in the sky for that to be true. The universe that includes a conscious entity responsible for creation makes the most sense, and the Christian worldview offers the only credible explanation for that.

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18 Mar 2021, 3:43 pm

Mountain Goat wrote:

I just tried to find some on the internet and they only show common breeds of chicken.

If you consider only domestic chickens to be chickens, then the red junglefowl is a proto-chicken.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_junglefowl

You could also argue the last common ancestor of the four different species of junglefowl were proto-chickens.
You could also make the case that the last common ancestor of the junglefowls and common pheasant were proto-chickens.

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18 Mar 2021, 3:45 pm

Udinaas wrote:

AngelRho wrote:

It is not a logical necessity that God had to be created. It’s impossible for an eternal, infinite being to have been created because anything or anyone that could be said to have begun to exist inherently cannot be eternal. The soul could be created immortal, meaning that it doesn’t cease to exist, but it cannot be said to be eternal because at some point it had a beginning. Anything that ever BEGAN to exist must by logical necessity have been created. The opposite is not true. God always was, always is, always will be. That such a being required a creator is not merely logically unnecessary, but absurd.

Of course necessity would imply eternity. That doesn't explain why God is necessary. And defining God as necessary doesn't solve anything. It's like if someone asked why Stonehenge is a circle, and you responded by saying that it would be absurd for a circle not to be circular. People don't start with definitions; we invent them to describe and categorize concepts we already have.
I've studied the cosmological and contingency arguments and I understand that the three options are:
1. A brute contingency
2. An infinite regress
3. Something necessary
All of those options seem absurd but one must be true. What I'm not convinced of is that option three is more plausible than the others.

4. Self-evident. :lol:

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18 Mar 2021, 4:05 pm

funeralxempire wrote:

You've got it backwards, man made god in his image.

I would agree with this. All religions and beliefs are made by humans, including mine. This does not stop us from wholeheartedly believing, though.

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18 Mar 2021, 4:13 pm

funeralxempire wrote:

Mountain Goat wrote:

What is a proto chicken?

A hypothetical chicken ancestor far enough back that it's not quite a chicken.

A prehistoric saber toothed chicken!

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18 Mar 2021, 4:20 pm

NaturalEntity wrote:

funeralxempire wrote:

You've got it backwards, man made god in his image.

I would agree with this. All religions and beliefs are made by humans, including mine. This does not stop us from wholeheartedly believing, though.

For example, I believe that I am the 13th avatar of Athe, the god of Atheism.

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18 Mar 2021, 4:24 pm

Mountain Goat wrote:

I just tried to find some on the internet and they only show common breeds of chicken.

Like any other domestic animal chickens are derived from recent wild ancestors.

Dogs came from wolves, cats from north african wild cats. Chickens came from still extant southeast Asian jungle fowl. Small jungle pheasants that are still around crowing in the morning in the wild- much like the domestic ones great the morning in the barnyard. These in turn evolved in the wild from other ancestors - from other egg laying birds over millions of years.

The linneage goes back to the common ancestor of all birds - a small tree dwelling carnivorious dinosaur. A tiny T-rex of the trees. This critter also hatched from eggs.

It evolved from other ground bound dinosaurs...which evolved from the common ancestors of all dinosaurs...which evolved from the very first reptile. Maybe 300 million years ago.This was the first critter to lay a modern type "egg" that both birds and reptiles lay (as opposed to rudimentary eggs that fish and amphibians lay -that have to be layed in water) that enables the babies to go through the "tadpole stage" while getting nutrition and protection on land.

In conclusion: the domestic chicken is only a few thousand years old. But "the egg" is around 300 million years old.

Ergo....the egg came first!

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18 Mar 2021, 4:42 pm

can existence start without a beginning
if there were no beginning
then how did we become to be

did a big bang create what we call the universe
or was this what Hindu and Buddhists describe as the universe becoming conscious?
is such a scientific fact contrary to Christian beliefs

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18 Mar 2021, 4:45 pm

Sinister Biscuit wrote:

Evolution answered that question looong ago.

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18 Mar 2021, 4:56 pm

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