Did Aleister Crowley's magic/k work?
After reading a book or two on Aleister Crowley and his obvious enthusiasm for the revival and practice of Magic/k.
I had to ask myself the question, if magic/k is supposed to bring the practitioner material rewards in this life and the material world.... And that by reputation, Crowley was considered to be a powerful warlock or sorcerer...
Then why did Crowley die penniless heroin addict, rather than the king of the world or universe?...
Crowley, born to privilege and luxury, died with nothing.
Personally, I thought that magic/k was supposed to work the other way around.
i.e. to make the penniless rich and powerful, rather than the rich and powerful, poor and powerless....
Or is Crowley secretly really successful, but in Hell or something, or perhaps he has the biggest house in smurf land,
and he has smurfette already up the duff and his maid and sex slave, and even pappa smurf, treats him like his guru...
Anyone who's into M@gIc/K, like to explain how that works?....
so i as to convince me that magic/k actually has any power or is simply just a throwback to the dark ages,
and just a human behaviour that some are attracted to which they use as an excuse and licence to hurt people
for prejudice and unjust reasons....
Just out of interest, I am trying to be open minded and give people a chance?...
I am not an expert in these areas, and i am not judging other people
(as i don't think that it is my right to judge people generally).
would be interested in learning how other people see things and why they put their faith into the things they do.
thanks
Edward Alexander Crowley was a self-proclaimed drug abuser and sex-fiend, a mostly self-published author of books on the occult and magick, a poet, a mountaineer, and a leader of a group called Ordo Templi Orientis (OTO).
Files exist that prove that he was once paid by the Germans to write anti-British propaganda. When WWI came about, Crowley actually sided with the Germans. He was involved in New York’s pro-German movement and wrote for The Fatherland, a pro-German propaganda paper.
Although an experienced mountaineer, tragedy struck when Crowley and a crew tried to climb Kangchenjunga, the third highest mountain in the world. An avalanche killed four of the men on the expedition. He was later quoted as saying, "A mountain 'accident' of this sort is one of the things for which I have no sympathy whatever". When he passed the site of the avalanche the next day, he didn’t even bother stopping to talk to the survivors.
Crowley claimed to identify himself with the Great Beast 666 (from the Book of Revelation) and enjoyed the appellation of "wickedest man in the world". Crowley inherited a fortune and worked hard at being strange. He was especially alluring to dysfunctional women.
Crowley was so into snorting drugs that his nasal passages started to decay. He underwent several drastic surgical operations to have this solved. He would go through these procedures routinely for the rest of his life.
He was also a fake, a fraud, and a charlatan. Crowley declared bankruptcy in 1935 after trying to falsely sue multiple people for libel. He had significant financial issues due to his drug use and travels, and he wasn’t exactly good with his money. The courts found that Crowley was actually spending three times his income.

1875-1947
Uncharmable charmer
Of Bacchus and Mars
In the sounding rebounding
Abyss of the stars!
O virgin in armour,
Thine arrows unsling
In the brilliant resilient
First rays of the spring!
By the force of the fashion
Of love, when I broke
Through the shroud, through the cloud,
Through the storm, through the smoke,
To the mountain of passion
Volcanic that woke ---
By the rage of the mage
I invoke, I invoke!
By the midnight of madness: -
The lone-lying sea,
The swoon of the moon,
Your swoon into me,
The sentinel sadness
Of cliff-clinging pine,
That night of delight
You were mine, you were mine!
You were mine, O my saint,
My maiden, my mate,
By the might of the right
Of the night of our fate.
Though I fall, though I faint,
Though I char, though I choke,
By the hour of our power
I invoke, I invoke!
By the mystical union
Of fairy and faun,
Unspoken, unbroken -
The dust to the dawn! -
A secret communion
Unmeasured, unsung,
The listless, resistless,
Tumultuous tongue! -
O virgin in armour,
Thine arrows unsling,
In the brilliant resilient
First rays of the spring!
No Godhead could charm her,
But manhood awoke -
O fiery Valkyrie,
I invoke, I invoke!

This is a quote from where?
Your source?
Fnord, could you please cite you sources too?
_________________
- Autistic in NYC - Resources and new ideas for the autistic adult community in the New York City metro area.
- Autistic peer-led groups (via text-based chat, currently) led or facilitated by members of the Autistic Peer Leadership Group.
techstepgenr8tion
Veteran

Joined: 6 Feb 2005
Age: 45
Gender: Male
Posts: 24,576
Location: 28th Path of Tzaddi
No clue but then again I don't how much he was into that specifically.
I think there's far credible evidence of mysticism working, most of the kabbalistic manipulations (gematria, notoricon, temura) are about hacking your brains own software. I spent a few weeks several years ago reading Gems of the Equinox and I remember Vision and the Voice being one of the more interesting things in there - ie. a pretty lengthy writeup of his encounter with the 30 Enochian Aethers. From what I remember the visions were quite kaleidoscopic, constantly shifting and permutating through each other - very DMT trip in flavor however it's an open question as to whether it was all of the pranayama and other things he was doing that got him there or whether he was adding other substances on top of that.
Crowley really open-sourced the Golden Dawn system more, added more eastern practices and elements, and he tried also to make A.'.A.'. a much more rigorous system, meaning that in the Golden Dawn people could get promoted through the ten grades quite often by just showing up, behaving well, and being liked whereas with A.'.A.'. it was boot camp, you'd have to work your arse off to where the things that you were supposed to be able to do at each sphere of the Tree of Life that the grade level represented had to be something that you could actually demonstrably do. The other thing, A.'.A.'. was very heavily about what's called 'Knowledge and Conversation of the Holy Guardian Angel', which Crowley didn't feel like the Golden Dawn emphasized enough and so he hit that much harder in A.'.A.'.
If you want more details on the above there's a psychologist and magician, Dr. David Shoemaker, who has a Youtube channel called 'Living Thelema' where he gets into the contents, angles, and directions of what A.'.A.'. practice is about.
The other thing about Crowley - the sense that he was a 'Satanist', it's complicated. I've learned myself for example that what's often in the darker cthonic imagery is the more primal or natural. What divides into right hand path and left hand path seems to rarification vs. engaging with the very hard and primal elements. The rarification is giving yourself higher levels of self-governance, think of the kinds of integrity that Manly P Hall was big on people developing, whereas the left hand path is like trying to level up, strengthen, and fortify the animal and to some degree it's the more dangerous path because the goal is actually getting a lot closer to direct manipulation of the kinds of generator functions that your frame is built on.
Either way running at a system hard enough, especially if you're really obstinant about success by any means necessary, can be a great way to pop your cork as far as I can tell. It's a bit like in the life you've lived your own mind is in its own basin of attraction and if you try to climb out of that bowl rather than modifying it peace by peace you can land somewhere else that's more like a herniation or like the baby falling out of the crib and landing on the ground - ie. it's a decidedly worse, less cohesive state.
I think Crowley was one of those people who started off with a lot of anger from the ways his parents religiously abused him, had a lot of fire to want to climb right out of the state of the world that he found himself in, did whatever he could to shock people (think a bit like Andy Kaufmann style pranks but with a more offense and shock-oriented pitch), the system he built was really a different handling of the same ToL that the Golden Dawn were doing but... a good way of saying it... he made it 'angsty', or pretty much he loaded up with all sorts of industrial and punk patches. Putting the Beast and Babalon on the ToL wasn't a way of saying 'this is a Satanic reinvisioning of the ToL', it was more of a complete overhaul of what the Beast and Babalon symbolized - ie. rejiggered their components to make them redemptive figures. The Book of the Law is just loaded with iconoclastic but otherwise kabbalistic number games and metaphors which I think were probably Crowley's subconscious and all the stuff he was loading it up with spitting a brick of reprocessed material at him.
I know I said very little on magic but - I really don't remember reading much about him trying to change the world or 'manifest' things too much more than perhaps whatever fights he had to get and keep Boleskine House. Most of the big magical acts I remember reading about were Jack Parsons and Marjorie Cameron doing their working (with - strange enough - L Ron Hubbard watching in the corner). Crowley was much more of a psychonaut and self-transformation guy who was trying to follow the threads he was grabbing wherever they lead. In a way he was a bit more of a chaos magician in the modern sense even if he was founding his own systems.
_________________
The loneliest part of life: it's not just that no one is on your cloud, few can even see your cloud.
SMiles, So Many Metaphors, So Many Cross Cultural References,
And So Many Authors of the Human Story That Repeats In Basic Human Archetypes
And Symbols That Are Limitless That Express A Similar Human Condition Through the Ages...
"Do As Thou Wilt",
An Excellent Freedom
Chant For Those Imprisoned
In the CuLTuRaL Trap of Group Think
That May Bond over Horrific Dreams or Nightmares Same....
'Love is the Law',
No Cr8p, We Are
Mammals, Where Females
Nurture By Warm Breast Feed
Of Love Where the Neurohormone
Oxytocin is Indeed the Milk of Social Bonding
For All Ages When Normal And Healthy of Course Enough...
So What About the Addict Aleister Crowley; Yes, Sadly Prisoner
of the Disease of Addiction Coming From the Scars Within of Born
And Raised Gardened Life... True, Oh the Extent Folks Will Go to Fill And Feel the Void Within...
Aleister Crowley
A Man Trying
to Find A Soul
With a Padded Wallet
of Inheritance And With
Stellar Verbal Intelligence; Yet,
Shallow Emotions Mostly Restricted
to Base Reptile Brain Drives, Food And Sex
And Stimulants As Such to replace the Warmth
of Deeper Emotions to Bond And Feel Within to Give and Share Free
More Like
What
'White
Magicians'
Do as that Pertains
to Influencing The Warmth of
LoVE iN Others in Empathic Ways of
Giving Sharing And Caring, Are Ya Ready
To Dance And Sing An Amen of Love Yet all Warm and Fuzzy...
Not so Much For Aleister Crowley As He Was Looking to Escape in Sex and Drug Addictions
And Even in His So-Called 'Book of the Law', He Dictated from Subconscious Flow of Mind Gave Him
And Others All the Justification They Needed Where Sadly Copy Cat Followers Still Feel the Same Way
In Modern Generations As Yes Aleister Crowley, Might have had a Horrible Ending to His Life and Never
Really Felt Like Enough, Always Empty within, Looking For Someway to Fill/Feel the Void; Yet, Influence of
Who He was Still Lives on today, Nearly A Century After His Death; so True, He Accomplishes still
What 'the 99 Percent
of Humanity' Never
Does; 'Immortality',
Particularly as
His Poetry Is Still
Read; A Record of His Soul
As Is Then Still Breathing Now
Authentically For What He was at Essence Dark or Light, He Still 'Breathes'...
Now Obviously, in this Thread Above as His influence continues on for real....
As Far as 'Black Magicians' Go, Those Who Influence For Selfish Means of Faux Carrots
And Sticks Promised As 'The Church, in General, All Religions' In Fact Are Among the Most
Successful 'Black
Magician Ways' of
Controlling And Subjugating
And Taking Away Freedoms of
Others for Selfish Purposes of Domination...
Is it any Wonder that 'The Clergy' Ticks off the
Psychopathic Check-List in the Top 10 Professions
IN A Word, Hell No
And Hell Yes an
Excellent Nocebo
Effect of 'Black Magician'
Voodoo way to get Others
to Submit to Black Magic in Organizational
Ways; Is Promising Heaven After Death Any Less Evil
Missing It Within On Earth Meanwhile to Master, Subjugate
And Control Others Same While Living; Well no, Not If You Are
At least Rational
And Appreciate
This Breath Now
Enough to Make
It Peaceful And Harmonious
Warm And Tender Loving Heaven Now
For all; yet True the Proof is in the Pudding
Mix As Truly Trump Puts Aleister Crowley to Shame
As He Made Himself A Replacement God For Jesus in Churches
Across the Country and Made it no Secret They would Love and Support
Him Same if He Shot Someone on 5th Avenue in Public or Even Worse the
Reality of Inciting A Violent Insurrection to Overturn Democracy And Even when
Folks (Republican 'Highest' Leaders) Admitted He Did it They Turned 'Right' around
On '5th Avenue'
And Kissed
His Butt
No
Matter
How Much
He made them
Bleed Before on the
Metaphor of 5th Avenue
And All the Folks He convinced
Not to Wear A Mask Even in Church
to Spread A Deadly Pandemic All around
Killing Way Over Half A Million Folks Now;
Wow, What Black Magician Success Trump Employed
And Still Manages to Employ, influencing Folks Totally in the
Dark oF iGNoRaNCE For Selfish Gain for that one Man Who Does
As He Wilts, no matter How Many Folks Fall to Death By His Hand And Voice of Dark Influence...
So Does 'Sex Magic' Work; Duh, Science Shows that Lust is a Core Source for Creativity and Productivity;
Particularly Among Men And Lust is Vital For Cooperation Among Women to Show Who Is the Most Nurturing
oF all
To 'Capture'
A Male Mate
So Yeah, Multiply
That By Every Human
in The Country And See How
Much CR8P You Will Sell By Using
Sex in all the ways that comes to Fill
Up Double Garages With More Goods Never
Even Used to Sell At the Next Garage Market 10-Cent-Drive
Without
Sex to
Sell Unless
the Wife is
Wearing Short Shorts
in the Garage Sale Environment Hehe...
Yet You See There is A Different Kind of Magic
And A Different Kind of Magician; Yes, The 'White Magician'
Other Names in Other Cultures Include 'Shaman' One Who Heals
With Positive Influence of Total Honest And Sincere Emotions that
Require No Wallet at All; Not Even A Cent; At About the Age of Trump
When He was Chatting on a Bus Talking about How Powerful He Was As
Powerful Enough to Grab And Abuse Private Parts of Women; Yet With
No Money in my Pockets Pushing 60 Years-Old, i was/am Just influencing Flowers
With Dance And Song of Smiles; Thing is i never
Approached A Single one for A Dance
Or Song; They Came to me
As they Could Feel
And Sense my
Light
Without
Even A Word
The Light Generated
Within; Yet True i just Came
Back Now From a Place Where Commonly
Nice Young Women Say My Words Bring them 'Pure Bliss'...
Honestly, it was nothing at all; i was/am Just Being me Free and Happy
Loving All Others Unconditional Just to be Who i am at Core LoVE iNCaRNaTE NoW
It was/is
Nothing
At All,
A Real
Smile A Wealth
that Aleister Crowley
Likely Never Felt and Trump
Likely Never Will Actually Give or Receive
Empty Within; So Who Is Truly Rich; So Who is
Truly Poor; True, my Life is No Strip Bar for Pay...
Empty Pockets and Genuine Light of Love Pave all my Way Free...
For You See What Lives Within or Dies Within Is all that is really real now and then....
And True, i could make Thousands of More Quick Gifs Just like the one below Yet this
one is
likely
Brevity
Enough to
Get the Point across...
People Will truly Remember
You By the Way You Make them
Feel; Not What They Are able to Give you in Selfish-Material ways...
Do What You Love, Love Others in Ways That Brings them Pure Bliss
And You Live Forever
in their Soul
And they
Spread
That Eternal
Life of Love That is Light
And Real 'White Magic' to Others
The Same; Yet You See i am no name, Just an Eternal Cheshire Cat Smile... Now...
Don't Even Need to Leave Any Initials of my Born on Date Name Anywhere as i am no name....
Yet Love Still Breathing...
the Opposite
of the
Other
WayS iNDeed....
i Couldn't Find A Golden
Colored Cat; so i settled for a Black
Panther for the Theme Song hehe; True
Though, Was the Mascot For my High School...
Mysterious and in my case Always Bringing Free Gifts....
Haha, Check Out those 80's Hair Styles; Yep, i Was Doing it in
The Dance Halls in the 80's Yet Truly Not Very Successful Bringing
Smiles as a Wall Flower; 'White Magic'; Like Anything Else Takes Long Years for True Success in Practice....
While Everyone Else Was Pursuing Money, in the 'Back Ground', Almost Invisible, Still Practicing my 'Craft'...
It's What Cats Do....
It's What Truly
'Bigger Feral
Loving Cats' Do.... still now...

_________________
KATiE MiA FredericK!iI
Gravatar is one of the coolest things ever!! !
http://en.gravatar.com/katiemiafrederick
funeralxempire
Veteran

Joined: 27 Oct 2014
Age: 40
Gender: Non-binary
Posts: 33,122
Location: Right over your left shoulder
I had a Thelemite roommate for about a year, and I skimread Magick In Theory And Practice, so here's my takeaway. Crowley's reasons for practicing Magick were to achieve the Knowledge and Conversation of his Holy Guardian Angel; he didn't practice Magick for material gain, or for any other reasons that would be comprehensible to a non-practitioner. I actually don't know how you managed to read two books about Aleister Crowley and miss this point so thoroughly.
techstepgenr8tion
Veteran

Joined: 6 Feb 2005
Age: 45
Gender: Male
Posts: 24,576
Location: 28th Path of Tzaddi
I had a Thelemite roommate for about a year, and I skimread Magick In Theory And Practice, so here's my takeaway. Crowley's reasons for practicing Magick were to achieve the Knowledge and Conversation of his Holy Guardian Angel; he didn't practice Magick for material gain, or for any other reasons that would be comprehensible to a non-practitioner. I actually don't know how you managed to read two books about Aleister Crowley and miss this point so thoroughly.
... and with that the conversation grinds to a halt.


(not just picking on this one thread but just how adept we've become, as a community, at the fine art of attention/memory-holing information we don't want to see)
_________________
The loneliest part of life: it's not just that no one is on your cloud, few can even see your cloud.
Similar Topics | |
---|---|
why do some games use 10 and 20 when 1 and 2 would work? |
15 Jun 2025, 10:10 pm |
Staying in hotel for work |
23 Apr 2025, 10:16 pm |
What's something good to listen to at work? |
05 Jun 2025, 4:15 pm |
Work and School With Dyscalculia |
08 Apr 2025, 10:39 pm |