Does anyone here have an interest in magick???
ΚΕΦΑΛΗ ΠΗ
GOLD BRICKS
Teach us Your secret, Master! yap my Yahoos.
Then for the hardness of their hearts, and for the softness of their heads, I taught them Magick.
But... alas!
Teach us Your real secret, Master! how to become invisible, how to acquire love, and oh! beyond all, how to make gold.
But how much gold will you give me for the Secret of Infinite Riches?
Then said the foremost and most foolish: Master, it is nothing; but here is an hundred thousand pounds.
This did I deign to accept, and whispered in his ear this secret:
A SUCKER IS BORN EVERY MINUTE.
https://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/crowley/lies/91.htm
But doesn’t God know magic(k)???
I have asked these questions often since the late 1970s, and received no concise answers yet:
• What is the velocity of propagation for magical energy?
• What is the quantum carrier particle for magical energy?
• Is there a single continuum for all magical energy, or are there different types of magical energy?
• What is the most efficient material conductor of magical energy?
• What is the most efficient material insulator of magical energy?
• What type of technology can be used to manipulate and direct magical energy?
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For Anyone Who Doubts
IT, Science Shows
Placebo
And
Nocebo
Are Equal Powers
of Human Belief That
Do Enhance Human Healing
And DisEase; Let's Not Get All Wrapped
Up Lost in Forms; There is Positive Energy
And Negative Energy In Our Bodies; Also Known,
Better Yet Felt And Sensed Now As Our Emotions For
Real; All the Bio-Chemical-Hormonal-Neuronal-Electrical
Energy From Head to Toe; HoW This Works All Together With
Human Consciousness/Subconsciousness, Science Does Not
Really Understand Fully;
However, the Results Are
Empirically Measured
IN EFFECT
Per Terms
of Placebo
And Nocebo
For Real; CaLL iT
White Magic And Prayers;
And Black Magic And Voodoo,
If Ya Wanna; Yet if Ya Doubt
'The Force' (Energy) of Both Placebo and Nocebo
And Do Not Use Positive Energy to Your Advantage;
Fall Baby Fall Into Other Rabbit Holes As You May Go....
Science Measures Placebo And Nocebo in Terms of Medicine...
'Science' Has No 'Idea' Just How Far Either Real Effect Will Go...
i'll Get Back
With Ya
On that (This) Soon
And Sooner too Haha...
Obviously, Per 'the Poetry
Shared Earlier' Associated With
'Black Magic' And 'A Sucker Born
Every Minute', Donald J Trump Used
The Negative Energy of Fear and Scarcity
To Employ That Nocebo Force And Let's Just
Say An Entire Country Got More Ill Than It Needed to Be Through
That Negative Energy And All the Ignorance Used in Fear And Scarcity Bred Real...
'The Folks'
(Minions)
Came Out
of 'the
Motel'
Unafraid With their
Dear Demagogue
Despicable Leader Yes
Dark Came Out in Light
For The Entire World to See...
True, There Are More Positive
Ways of Real 'White Magic' in Life;
God Yes, THAT Positive Energy Makes Life Brighter
Or Do
Ya Have
Enough Common
Sense And Feel Now
To Figure this out Without a Text Book, Haha
or Bible, Or Other Standard Show of Control;
Considering That Neuroscience Shows Humans
Basically Hallucinate Their Reality As They Go, Based
On Experiences They Hallucinate Co-Creating Before As
Their Whole Reality; Life is a Bit Like 'Chaos Magic'; Some Folks
Take the Road Up
Others
Take
The
Stairway
to the Other Place Further Down...
And if 'Trump-Life' Doesn't Prove
'That Place Exists'; Ain't No Convincing Anyone Other Wise...
As Far as Aleister Crowley Goes, Obviously He Was Just Taking
The Piss Out of Fools, A Bit 'Dark Triad' AS Such too As An Addict too...
Typical
Human
Story in Degrees
of DarK And LiGHT...
This SH8T is aS Old
As the Human Condition is Still Young...
Anyway, Got A 'Love Train' To Catch See Ya
Later; i Am no Fool Now, i Use Placebo to My Full
Advantage And Per Case Study Life is VERY, VERY, VERY, GOOD;
PICTURES DON'T LIE'; AND NEITHER DO THOUSANDS OF VERY BEAUTIFUL SMILES...
Don't Forget
When i Was
in 'Nocebo'
Life i Was Shut-in,
In My Bedroom For
66 Months With The
Worst Pain Known to Humankind
Type Two Trigeminal Neuralgia From
Wake to Sleep Along with a Synergy
of 18 Other Life Threatening Mostly
Negative Work Related Stress Disorders
Per 'Autism Burn-Out'; Let's Just Say 93 Months And Some
Days Later too, Placebo Works Much Better With a little Expertise;
It Doesn't Come in Any Bibles or Books Or 'Books of the Law'; All Generated Within...
Yet It's True, Where i'm From Now; Love is the Only Way of Will That Makes All the Heaven Real...
That Only
Takes
Common
Feel And Sense
to Figure Out;
HAha, Old Aleister
Crowley Used The
Voodoo Nocebo Parts to Control Others
to Get His Sex And Drug Addict Fixes
Mixing Carrots And Sticks Common
Practice for that ULTiMaTE Effect of
Domination Dark Triad Style Yet
It's True, It Worked A Little Bit for him too....
While Others Fell Around Him Like 'Trump Dominoes' too....
If Ya Discount The Force of 'Black Magic', Ya May Fall into the 'Trump Trap';
No Matter Which Side of the Other Places You Currently Reside; Doubt it Not;
Trump Was a "Master'
'That Way' Of the
'Dark Force'
ALL On
His Lonesome...
Yet You See Those Who
Don't Understand the
Real Light And Dark
Forces of Life Are Lost
in A Worst Kind of Ignorance on Either 'Side'...
To Be Clear, Trump Just Mastered The Effect of Nocebo on the 'Masses' (Minions)
And Hehe, It's Worth Noting That There Are Minions Associated With Placebo too...
Just Really Happy Minions; Thousands of Photos Provided With An Old Dude For Evidence on Demand...
Basically All i Have to Do is Dance, Sing Poetry, And Smile; And Truly i Don't Even Have to Say A Word As the Evidence
Clearly
Fully
iLLustrates With SMiLes..
Positive Energy Changes
the Human Environment At Hand...
Do i Really Have to Even Say it... Oh Lord...
As Negative Energy Makes Everything Go S88KY;
Except Those Who Are Vaccinated Against it With Placebo More Powerful Now!
Hehe, Meanwhile, Folks Are Trying To Figure Out Life With Abstract Constructs, Illusions they create...
Carry
On
If Ya Wilt...
If it Doesn't
Exist on A Naked
Beach, Greater to Discount
IT Dark OR Light; TWiLiGHT Is Where It's At....
In Other Words, Master of DarK And LiGHT (Friends With Gravity in Balance) Living in
Sweet Spots of Flow Tween Apathy And Anxiety Now; 'Science' Ain't 'lying' about this either...
Yet if Ya Don't Experience The Feeling, Sensing, Reality; None Of These Words Are Even Worthwhile...
Just
Word Salad
For Those Without
Any Living Fruits And Vegetables Within
To Sow, Harvest, And Reap Continually Light
Force Eternally Now; Real Placebo Generated Heaven
Within With Lots of Meditation In Flow of Dance And Poetry Song Continually too...
In Other Words, ThiS Ain't No Free Ride; IT IS A Great Work of Loving Life Always Now...
Oh Yeah,
And Drug
Free too;
The Down
Fall So Many
Like Aleister Crowley
Take For A Short Cut Life
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The Bozo Boson.
There are many different types: Abjuration, alteration, claptrap, conjuration, divination, enchantment, fraud, illusion, invocation, malarky and necromancy.
A pointy hat.
A long beard.
... any sufficiently advanced technology.
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NLP (neuro linguistic programming)
Chaos magick
Psychology
Telepathy
Clairvoyance (yes i used spellcheck)
Psychics
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_psychic_abilities
Ps if you don’t know why I called it magick…look up magic vs magick?
A few things I'd recommend looking into:
- Robert Kegan's stages of adult development.
- Piggybacking on the above - Ken Wilbur's ideas of societal development.
- Karl Friston's merger of free-energy minimization with the idea of Markov blankets (great 4 hr interview with Curt Jaimungal but there's a whole bunch of lectures punnily titled 'My Markov Blanket').
- Look at Donald Hoffman's framing of what looks like it could be panpsychism but is really more like a granular idealism with universal Darwinism.
- Look at Stephen Wolfram's idea of the universe as a hypergraph.
To my way of thinking people experimenting with things like chaos magick and modern alchemy (along Jean Dubuis, Albert Richard Riedel, etc. lines) are doing something like experimental attempts at reducing free energy or 'putting it to work' in ways which would then piggyback off of considerations of universal Darwinism and some framework such as panpsychism, neutral monism, or absolute idealism (lets say natural selection tells us how we got what from what, the ideas behind alchemy are the questions of how conscious process can enrich materials, or when it's internal alchemy it tends to be more mundane - ie. enriching one's own software along Kegan'ish lines via. depth psychology techniques, classical Hermetic, Hindu, Buddhist or Daoist techniques, etc.).
The challenge with the above - there's not necessarily anything wrong with the principals and ideas stated, nor experimentally testing them, but very few people have any luck with much beyond psychological self-improvement (which is perhaps the best reason to run at it). Otherwise the remainder is small enough that they're easily (at a social level) written off as fraud based on replicability issues and you have Jean Dubuis saying something to the effect that the only way to know if you're even within a dozen lives of getting off the wheel of reincarnation is if you can heal at a distance and if you can't do that then there's no point in even asking the question - that really puts it in perspective that most people would either have such abilities for a whole lifetime or not have them, that it's too long and slow a process to make noticeable progress in one incarnation. That last bit of course, reincarnation, brings us to Ian Stevenson, and an interesting article about how cognitive dissonance works in our culture at present:
https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/be ... st-cynics/
The overall gist though - whatever we're in, even if it's panpsychist, idealist, neutral monist, dual-action monist, etc., it's really - really - rigid. It's rigid enough that we can make 20nm transistors and prove out mathematics to send missions to Mars or send probes to Pluto with gravity assist from Saturn. That's where most of what gets sold as doable in the magick community either gets shut down or, TBH, you really better find something that has the same agenda you do and offer mutual assistance. Past that - think of Donald Hoffman's modeling and universal Darwinism - if everything in the universe that has consciousness wants to minimize free energy or uncertainty then you're in a pretty dry place and it takes seeing chaos to see opportunity because that's where there actually is something to mold or shape (which is where I suppose, in principal, chaos magick makes a fair amount of sense).
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“Love takes off the masks that we fear we cannot live without and know we cannot live within. I use the word "love" here not merely in the personal sense but as a state of being, or a state of grace - not in the infantile American sense of being made happy but in the tough and universal sense of quest and daring and growth.” - James Baldwin
Looked for actual magic my whole life. I did not find any magic, but here is my list of close contenders (perhaps one can call them magicq, magic with a q, or something):
0. Phenomenal Consciousness
1. Physics, especially QM
2. Math, all of it
3. Slight of Hand Tricks
Anything else are mere dreams and delusions.
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What kinds of things, exactly, did you previously believe in as true "magick," that turned out to be just "stage tricks and parlor games," and how did you find this out?
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Being a "witch" is very trendy now, but most people who call themselves witches are just pretentious theatre kids with no supernatural powers.
I think magic is real, but I also think those kinds of powers are extremely uncommon. I've met one person in my whole entire life who can cast spells and they consistently work, and she doesn't even like calling herself a witch, but she has the reputation of a powerful sorceress because she's legitimately earned it.
Elon Musk's company Neuralink Corporation is developing brain implants that translate thoughts into remote actions.
It's called *Psychokinesis* : Psychokinesis is an alleged psychic ability allowing a person to influence a physical system without physical interaction.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychokinesis
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Then a hero comes along, with the strength to carry on, and you cast your fears aside, and you know you can survive.
Be the hero of your life.
NLP (neuro linguistic programming)
Chaos magick
Psychology
Telepathy
Clairvoyance (yes i used spellcheck)
Psychics
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_psychic_abilities
Ps if you don’t know why I called it magick…look up magic vs magick?
Hypnosis, NLP and psychology are actual phenomenon or theory (not magic).
Telepathy is interesting in that some people are capable of somehow projecting their thoughts.
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/innovati ... 180952868/
Like UFOs we know it happens....it's the why and how that remains a mystery
^^^
Not Sure if You Actually Read 'The Study'
to the Link You Provided By the Smithsonian
Organization; Yet Sadly It's a Bit of A Hyperbolic
Title As Yes the Experiment Was Based on Stimulus
And Response With A Mechanical tool of 'Transcranial
Magnetic Stimulation' And Not The Kind of 'Telepathy'
That is Purely Natural And Not Machine Stimulated
In Terms of Brain Activity As A Kind of Sign
Language
of Stimulus
And Response As
Such And Yes Most
Definitely Rudimentary
At Best At this Stage of Study So Far...
And Actually Most of this Thread is A far
Cry From the Term MagicK As Developed
By Occultist Aleister Crowley As He Wasn't Looking
At the "Pull The Rabbit Out of the Hat Kind of Magic"
Or Mythical Stories of Old Religious Heroes Getting
Resurrected or Born of Virgins Like Hercules and
And Buddha too In Stories That Hyperbole
Reality As there Were
No 'Victoria
Secret' Models
Then As Hehe
Now A 'Trump Wave'
Has Run That Method
Of Advertising Runway Models
Into the More Business Achieving
Women Than Just Trophy Wife's to Aim at As Such...
Anyway, Obviously the Marketers of an Otherwise
Respectable Organization Used a Bit of Hyperbole
To Sell A Story As There is A Whole Lot of Online
Competition 'These Days' to Get Any Attention at all
Among a Human Species Science Shows is Watered Down
To the Attention Span of Less than Three Seconds of a Gold Fish hehe...
Is Telepathy Real; It's Not the Kind of Thing that Happens in a Science
Experiment As Mechanical Cognition Actually Represses/Withers Away Any Social-Empathic
Intelligences, Including Rather Odd Telepathic Leaning Experiences of Social Empathic Cognition;
Nope, Not the Kind of thing Ya Empirically Measure by Science; Yet True The Experiences of Life that
HAVE
ZERO
RATIONAL
EXPLANATION
IN TERMS OF WHAT
ONLY SIX NORMAL
SENSES OF LIFE AND
FEELINGS OF LIFE OBSERVE NOW
THAT any Science Tool Will Measure
Beyond Stories of Life that Are Real and
Truly Empirically Measured by those Who actually Experience them...
My Wife is Super Empathic; She Might not Have 3 College Degrees
Like me; Yet She Surely Has Enough Emotional Intelligence to
Spot a Psychopathic Leaning Individual Like Trump in a
Heart Beat And Never Ever Trust A Human Being
Who Has no substance of Love Within;
Indeed, i ain't bad at it either
After Years of Practice
Developing My Social-Empathic-
Artistic Spiritual Intelligences Far
Beyond What Standard IQ Measures
In Terms of What Human Reality Has
Devolved Culturally Into Material Reductionist Ways of
Taking the Parts of the Whole Picture And Missing the Forest for the Trees...
The Unknown, The More Mysterious Parts of Life that the Scientific Antiquated
Shell of A Method Tool Will Never Ever Measure Fully As Essence Deeper of Life is Worthless
When it Comes to What is not Observable in Processes of Life We Can't Scientifically Measure...
Ironically Enough, Aleister Crowley Was Noted With The Dark Triad of Psychopathy From Birth
And That continued on as He Saw Love as A Sex Addict And Human Potential 'MaGiC' Facilitated Mostly
Through Drugs; And True He Developed A Cult of Religion to Fulfill His Sex Addict And Drug Addict
Nature that often
Comes From
Folks Who
Never Gain
Fullness of All
Natural Love Within
Yes 'Class' Very Little
Oxytocin Warm And Comfy Life
Wired in or Innately Born on Date From Birth...
He was Really Interested in Sex Magic; Is There Really
Magic in Lust; Well Yes of Course, Science Shows Males
Become More Creative When Dopamine Rises This Way
And Females Become More Socially Cooperative And Nurturing
too As Lust Does Influence Much in Life; The Other Stuff He did
Were Just Fancy Sugar Pills of Placebo And Fancy Voodoo Dolls of
Nocebo; Anyway i Surely Will Tap Into that As Well; So Does the Human
Connection Extend Out More than the Material Reductionism of Human Form in
Flesh and Blood; Like Anyone Else, all i will be able to Relate is Odd Of Life that
Has No Rational Explanations at All; Most of the Synchronicities Only Significant
Psychologically Meaningful to me; Yet Every Once in a A While, The Nature of What
Is Shows Ya
What
Real
MaGiC Is
The K is just
A Way to Sell
The Crowley Brand;
For instance Dealing with
The Worst Pain Known to Humankind
Like a Dentist Drill in my Right Eye And Ear
No Drug Would Touch for 66 Months; Yes, Type
Two Trigeminal Neuralgia Known in Medical Literature
As the Suicide Disease And Literally assessed as Worse than
The Torture of Crucifixion From Wake to Sleep For Yes All 66 Months;
Suicide Ideologies And Death Wishes in General Like Walking in Lightening
Storms Fierce With No Fear Are Common Place Indeed; Putting a Metal Chain
in A Bicycle Basket Finding A Road into A Forest Far Away Enough in the Forest
From Civilization Where only the Vultures Would Make my Life's Purpose mean
Something Consuming me Dead That Way Secure Hanging From A Tree; True
i could have never imagined There was Pain worse than Death; Yet There surely
is In Living Hell
on Earth
Where
Death Becomes
Heaven And Dousing
Oneself With Gasoline
And Burning to Death
Just Seems Like
Temporary
Relief
From the Pain
Until Going Away to Nothing at all For Escape...
Anyway, Losing All Emotions, A Feeling of a Smile
No Force of Love, Hope, Faith or Belief, Realizing
Those Were Forces of Emotional Energy Moving me Ahead
Before All the Way for Real and no Frigging Fairy Tales in Mythical Books,
In that Spring of 2010, A Bit More than Two Years into Hell, Making A Plan
of Specific Escape From Hell; My Wife Awoke from A Dream The Next Morning
And Said That is so Strange She Just Dreamed That She and Her Deceased Granny
Were Hanging Christmas Ornaments on a Tree Off That Road She Never Named Before
The Same Road i Planned my Escape; Still Didn't give me Hope; Yet it was Enough to
Never Commit Suicide
Even though
That Chain
Remained in that
Bicycle Basket Until
95 Months Ago to Date Today
Then July 19th, 2013, The Close to
Eight Years Now Spent in Heaven
Within With No Pain And Bliss As that
Day On the Beach the Pain Melted Away
As i became One with Sugar White Sands
Sea Oats in the Breeze Emerald Green
Waves Gently Falling And Rising
Sea Gull Wings
Spiraling
Around the
Sun Loving Free
All the Sudden
Bliss From
Head to toe
From That Day Forward Almost 8
Years today, June 19th, 2021, Now
Just A Month Shy of 8 Years Now
Versus 66 Months of Living Hell;
Yet That's Not All; More than A Dream,
Stress Does Strange Things to Our Humanity Indeed...
Shortly After Having to Leave Work Just About Dropping
Dead From 11 Years of Chronic to Acute Stress, Walking
Around The Block With my Wife, My Experience of Time
Suddenly Slowed Down, First Time Ever, And Immediately
My Wife Walking Next to me Related The Same Words to me
Before i could Say A Thing; That's Strange Time Just Slowed Down...
Just Another Afternoon in the Neighborhood Never A Day Like that Again
Shared Among Two Souls Standing Side by Side Where Reality Loses Time,
Distance,
Space,
And
Matter
Within Two
Souls Living
Truly In a way
in the Same UNiVerSE Perceiving...
Some Folks Have More Antenna Height than
Others And True Some Folks With Laser Focus
Of Flow in Positive Feelings and Emotions Regularly
Change the World as i've Often had People Say in the
Last Close to 8 Years, When You Come in the Room 'The Lights come on'...
And Generally Speaking the 'Lay Folks' Ask me For Whatever i am On; Clue
It's a long
way to
get
to forever
Now Yet once
Ya Do, True Magic In Terms of Love
Is no Fluke it is Life's Full Buffet Free
i Do Not Have an Interest in Antiquated Magic; MaGiC is the Essence Now of my Life;
Real MaGiC; Not the kind That Pulls Rabbits Out of Hats Or Lifts Folks From Tombs...
Just the
Living
Dead
Reborn
Into Eternity
of Heaven within now;
Hard to Give and Share;
Most Certainly Effortless to Breathe..
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Ironically Enough, Aleister Crowley Was Noted With The Dark Triad of Psychopathy From Birth
And That continued on as He Saw Love as A Sex Addict And Human Potential 'MaGiC' Facilitated Mostly
Through Drugs; And True He Developed A Cult of Religion to Fulfill His Sex Addict And Drug Addict
Nature
Love is the law, love under will, i.e. the nature of the Law of Thelema is love, but love itself is subsidiary to finding and manifesting one's authentic purpose or "mission".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thelema
not how I would put it!
"Love is the law, love under will, i.e. the nature of the Law
of Thelema is love, but love itself is subsidiary to finding
and manifesting one's authentic purpose or "mission""
Talks Is Cheap; That Platitude Is Just Another Version
Of 'the Golden Rule' And in Crowley's Version
His Purpose And Mission of Life Was
Focused on All Stuff
Selfish
Sex Addict
And Drug Addict;
Sadly, For Those Who Bought
The Kool Aid, In 'Rock and Roll'
As Such Inspired by His Drug Abuse
They Ended inspired As Dead As Dead Will Be...
Those Closest To Him, Fell The Same Way Addiction often does...
He Surely Isn't The First Philosopher That Said One Thing And Did
Another Per the Text Book Example of 'Jesus' Who Turned the Other
Cheek, Loved The Enemy As Friend And 'Trademark God Himself' Treating That 'Person' the
Way He Would Wanna Be Treated; Yet Strangely Enough, By Story Literally At Least, Turning the Psychopathic
Corner Like Trump And Crowley Same And Changing Human Sheep Into Human Goats Not Complying And Burning
Them Forever; Yet of Course Trump And Crowley Just Made those Closest to Them a Real Living Hell 'till Death
They Parted;
'The Fairy Tale
Of God As Myth
Jesus As Literally
Taken' Burning
Folks Forever
Beats All
Evil
Ever
Humanly Imagined
Haha, Trust No Suits
or Golden or White Robes...
And Funny Hats and Faux Wings
to Somewhere After A Dirt Nap...
Just my Opinion of Course As Is...
Moral oF A Story, Don't Sacrifice Life for Lies...
Truth iN LiGHT AND DarK Rarely Makes FRiEnDS;
Yet Truly Survives And Thrives Free; Evidence on Demand As Always Hehe..
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