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20 Aug 2021, 8:08 pm

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Unfortunately, the dominant left-wing media doesn't show all the gaffs that he makes, the ones that media outlets like Sky News reports.


This is where your claims of impartiality fall down. There isn't a left-wing press of any consequence in the USA. The Country as a whole is ideologically opposed to anything even mildly centrist, let alone genuinely left wing. It is very, very rare to hear a left wing philosophy championed in U.S. mainstream media. Ergo, the media most definitely isn't left-wing. The debates are all about differing shades of right-wing choice.

I think what you're trying - and failing - to claim here is the majority of the American press are pro-Democrat. That's also questionable, do you have any genuinely independent, unbiased analysis to back that claim up? It's also most definitely not the same thing as the majority of the American press being left-wing, because the Democrats aren't left-wing. They're simply less right wing than the Republicans.


From what I can see, the Democrats are like our Labor Party.

Do the Democrats believe in capitalism?
Or are they more inclined to embrace socialism?



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20 Aug 2021, 8:11 pm

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Biden was boxed in by decisions made by prior presidents, and his errors in handling the details pale against the errors which brought us to this moment.


"Military Experts" have pointed out that leaving at the peak of the fighting season was unconscionable.
I believe Uncle Joe was working on a timetable based on the anniversary of some significant date.
Perhaps someone can enlighten us on what that was.


The time table was set by the agreement the Trump administration negotiated with the Taliban. The Biden administration was able to negotiate a short extension, but they were limited in what they could do without going back on the agreement.


I will let Brictoria analyse what you have said. 8)

But did that "short extention" mean that the withdrawal happened during the peak combat season?



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20 Aug 2021, 8:17 pm

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Democrats aren't left-wing. They're simply less right wing than the Republicans.


I'm surprised that any foreign national doesn't see that. We have far fewer institutions in government control than any other western nation. Most notable is the lack of a national healthcare system, and the unprecedented level of medical bankruptcy seen here. Our social safety net is so much smaller than other western countries.


Logic suggests a political party might would capitalise on that.
Didn't "Obama-care" try to address this?

BTW, The American health care system is an abomination, imo. 8)



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20 Aug 2021, 8:18 pm

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...It's also most definitely not the same thing as the majority of the American press being left-wing, because the Democrats aren't left-wing. They're simply less right wing than the Republicans.

What is your definition of left-wing?



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20 Aug 2021, 8:32 pm

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I find it frustrating that US politics is either so entertaining or such an international gossip magnet that any foreign National would spend more time with it than their own. This is real life to me; not an intellectual exercise, and foreign influences can have a profound negative effect on the debate, increasing dangerous divisiveness while lacking all the necessary background perspective. Even if it’s from Nationals in a friendly country, there is a point at which the input exceeds any potential usefulness as an outside perspective.


Firstly, regarding dangers to a society.
Try living in Australia that is existentially threatened by a jingoistic Chinese menace.

Secondly, I believe you are more than a little out of touch as to the significance of this website in regard to influencing American social dysfunctionality, let alone some members who are not Amerians.
Destroying American social harmony is very effectively done by its internal political division of its citizens already and has no need to find support elsewhere.

I am the Oracle of Truth and focus on finding it wherever it may be.
Is that problem for some of those in America? :scratch: :mrgreen:


I was thinking more generally than the discussion on here, but the reality is you can't know the details of how things are playing out on the ground in a place you don't live, and are naturally going to apply assumptions that come from your own experiences, which can sometimes help and sometimes hinder truth seeking and understanding.

I see so many memes on social media that are created overseas and are designed to increase the divides here. It's frustrating. People aren't looking to see the source, but they should. Where an opinion comes from matters.


An American WP member, in particular, becomes outraged when non-Amerians have an opinion on American politics, and literally was seeking to have non-Amerian members barred from making contributions.
Staggering.
I hope you are not heading in that direction. 8O

I am not "most people", and depend heavily on my critical thinking skills and a willingness to amend my POV when new information comes my way.
Refer to: Scientific Methodology. 8)

How can I do this so effectively? :chin:
I focus on the Truth, rather than servicing a political narrative.
And please don't attribute/link other people's memes to me. 8)



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20 Aug 2021, 8:33 pm

ezbzbfcg2 wrote:
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...It's also most definitely not the same thing as the majority of the American press being left-wing, because the Democrats aren't left-wing. They're simply less right wing than the Republicans.

What is your definition of left-wing?


Obviously, not the same as mine, here in Australia. :mrgreen:



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20 Aug 2021, 8:37 pm

Pepe wrote:
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Claiming he isn’t in charge is ridiculous; he has minor senior moments, but he’s still sharper than most adults in their prime. Did you watch the debates, how often he had a quick, relevant and stinging reply? He was thinking on his feet. You can’t script and puppet control that, or Pence would have done better in his debate.


Unfortunately, the dominant left-wing media doesn't show all the gaffs that he makes, the ones that media outlets like Sky News reports.
I am sympathetic with Uncle joe with his developing dementia. I have executive dysfunction and a very poor short term memory, but I am not the president of the US of A.



He has been known for his entire career as prone to gaffs, they've long been infamous, so age has zero to do with it. As for what the media does and does not show, I referenced the DEBATES, which were broadcast here LIVE IN FULL, not edited, so suggesting my conclusions reached from them could be distorted by the media is ridiculous. I know where to look for the most accurate view possible.


Do you consider yourself a Democrat partisan?

I don't think you have seen the gaffs that I have. :mrgreen:
The dominant left-wing media has protected him while vilifying Trump for lesser logical/cognitive "transgressions".

Also, people have suggested Uncle Joe wears an earpiece to help him along.
There is convincing evidence of this that perhaps Brictoria has the energy to present? :wink:


Showing an earpiece would prove nothing. Listening and talking at the same time would, by itself, require a level of cognition critics are trying to deny him. I can't do it anymore, can you? Earpieces can be used to filter out background noise (a common issue for aging individuals) and/or to enhance sound and focus sound levels for comprehension (also common needs for aging individuals).

I intentionally stopped watching his gaffs years and years ago. It's long been an eye roll for me. He wasn't originally my preferred candidate in the primaries because I knew what would be made of them. Shall we talk about MY gaffs? What would you say about ME if I was on tape? I am still perfectly capable of doing my job.

Biden has a speech impediment that he has made no secret of, and yet he manages to communicate effectively in public and on the fly more often than not.

But Trump ... well, he liked to gaff on twitter, where he had an opportunity to allow someone to check his writing and his facts, but was so overly confident (or addicted to the medium) that he didn't bother. Putting out a bad tweet is far more difficult to give allowances for than saying something wrong on the fly. Plus, Biden was not the one mocking his opponents for their health and cognition, that was all Trump. Don't dish out what you don't want back. Dishing out criticism is an invitation for someone to scrutinize you more closely.

At this point in time I'm pretty solidly Democrat, but I don't want to be. I truly believe we need intellectual tension to pry out the best answers, and that one sided governments fall pry to the worst tendencies of their own ideology. We can see the later in state houses across the US. But the Republican party has swung so far right and become so extremely partisan that I can't find anyone I can imagine supporting. I grew up Republican, and if this was the time of Lincoln, there is zero doubt I would be a Republican. But we aren't, and I'm not. Just sad to see a party that was born with such greatness become what it is today.


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20 Aug 2021, 8:37 pm

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Do the Democrats believe in capitalism?
Or are they more inclined to embrace socialism?


The Democrats have never had an anti-capitalist agenda. There is, however, more effort made to balance out the inherent top-heaviness of capitalism, and the areas of life that capitalism simply doesn't handle very well, through corrective social policies.

That isn't the same as wishing to abolish capitalism, it's simply trying to smoothe out some of the imperfections in the system so it operates for wider benefit, rather than increasingly narrow benefit.

It's also nowhere near socialism, despite that word being thrown around by right-wing commentators like a grenade with the pin out, in order to generate panic. The most left-wing politicians in the Democrat party - who are nowhere near typical of the whole - like Bernie Sanders and AOC, are broadly social democrat. Which means centrist. They're not socialist, let alone communist, and therefore not left-wing.

So for example, most European nations have some form of universal Government healthcare policy. Why? Because profit as prime motivator introduces all sorts of deeply unpleasant counter-intuitive behaviour into private healthcare practices. Mainly because the demand curve for being alive, fit and pain-free is pretty much infinite. If people are desperate enough, they'll pay anything. If not for them, for their parents or kids. So it's a natural breeding ground for exploitation, if your Company is hard-nosed enough. And it turns out plenty of medical companies are...

Establishing public healthcare to give better value for money for taxpayers isn't socialist. Indeed, it partly operates to keep taxpayers healthy so they can work. Money is still the main motivator in life, still the way things as a whole are generally decided. It's just in that particular instance market forces don't work properly, so we've got a workaround.

You can argue over their effectiveness, but social policies like that are NOT aimed at overthrowing the captialist system, maaaan.



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20 Aug 2021, 8:47 pm

Pepe wrote:
DW_a_mom wrote:
Pepe wrote:
DW_a_mom wrote:
I find it frustrating that US politics is either so entertaining or such an international gossip magnet that any foreign National would spend more time with it than their own. This is real life to me; not an intellectual exercise, and foreign influences can have a profound negative effect on the debate, increasing dangerous divisiveness while lacking all the necessary background perspective. Even if it’s from Nationals in a friendly country, there is a point at which the input exceeds any potential usefulness as an outside perspective.


Firstly, regarding dangers to a society.
Try living in Australia that is existentially threatened by a jingoistic Chinese menace.

Secondly, I believe you are more than a little out of touch as to the significance of this website in regard to influencing American social dysfunctionality, let alone some members who are not Amerians.
Destroying American social harmony is very effectively done by its internal political division of its citizens already and has no need to find support elsewhere.

I am the Oracle of Truth and focus on finding it wherever it may be.
Is that problem for some of those in America? :scratch: :mrgreen:


I was thinking more generally than the discussion on here, but the reality is you can't know the details of how things are playing out on the ground in a place you don't live, and are naturally going to apply assumptions that come from your own experiences, which can sometimes help and sometimes hinder truth seeking and understanding.

I see so many memes on social media that are created overseas and are designed to increase the divides here. It's frustrating. People aren't looking to see the source, but they should. Where an opinion comes from matters.


An American WP member, in particular, becomes outraged when non-Amerians have an opinion on American politics, and literally was seeking to have non-Amerian members barred from making contributions.
Staggering.
I hope you are not heading in that direction. 8O

I am not "most people", and depend heavily on my critical thinking skills and a willingness to amend my POV when new information comes my way.
Refer to: Scientific Methodology. 8)

How can I do this so effectively? :chin:
I focus on the Truth, rather than servicing a political narrative.
And please don't attribute/link other people's memes to me. 8)


I can't relate at all to the desire to dig into another countries politics at the level you do, but am always happy (if I have time) to do a little bit of intellectual wrestling. Knowing that you don't live here means I feel no need to understand your thinking on any deep level, however, and I'm bothered when I see a foreign national spread but I strongly believe is disinformation (not pointing this at you, specifically). We have enough of that already.

As for outside perspective, I have relatives overseas to keep me informed on how we're viewed from "outside," I don't NEED your perspective. What I NEED to understand is the rational behind my neighbor's positions.


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20 Aug 2021, 8:56 pm

Pepe wrote:
DW_a_mom wrote:
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Democrats aren't left-wing. They're simply less right wing than the Republicans.


I'm surprised that any foreign national doesn't see that. We have far fewer institutions in government control than any other western nation. Most notable is the lack of a national healthcare system, and the unprecedented level of medical bankruptcy seen here. Our social safety net is so much smaller than other western countries.


Logic suggests a political party might would capitalise on that.
Didn't "Obama-care" try to address this?

BTW, The American health care system is an abomination, imo. 8)


The Affordable Care Act tried to increase access to private healthcare systems by providing government subsidies and other changes, but much of it required states to opt in. Many did not, and healthcare gaps remain extensive. Costs generally went up because the underlying systems remain private and for-profit; they are not government systems. The Trump administration technically kept the ACA in place but actively worked to keep people from using it, narrowing sign up windows, letting websites fall into disrepair, etc; and pursued legal challenges hoping to gut it.

The lobbying power of the private, for-profit healthcare systems is unbeatable. We spend the most but have outcomes that are nowhere near what most other western countries can achieve. The engine for innovation is pretty amazing, but the outcomes make it clear that most citizens get no benefit.


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20 Aug 2021, 9:00 pm

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As soon as I saw the title of this thread, I knew it must have been started by either Brictoria or Pepe -- neither of whom are Americans -- and that it would feature at least one YouTube video as fake "evidence".


Constructive commentary is always welcome. 8)


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20 Aug 2021, 9:35 pm

Pepe wrote:
DW_a_mom wrote:
Pepe wrote:
DW_a_mom wrote:
Biden was boxed in by decisions made by prior presidents, and his errors in handling the details pale against the errors which brought us to this moment.


"Military Experts" have pointed out that leaving at the peak of the fighting season was unconscionable.
I believe Uncle Joe was working on a timetable based on the anniversary of some significant date.
Perhaps someone can enlighten us on what that was.


The time table was set by the agreement the Trump administration negotiated with the Taliban. The Biden administration was able to negotiate a short extension, but they were limited in what they could do without going back on the agreement.


I will let Brictoria analyse what you have said. 8)

But did that "short extention" mean that the withdrawal happened during the peak combat season?


Well, it was a relatively simple agreement:
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The deal itself is simple, but it kind of sets off this cascade of other things which are not so simple. But the deal basically says the Taliban won't kill any Americans, and we won't attack the Taliban. And if all goes well and the Taliban agree not to support any kind of terrorism against the United States or not to allow terrorists in the country or any kind of bases, the United States will leave and go to zero and take out all of its forces by May 1.

And so at the present moment today, the U.S. has about 2,500 troops there, and then there's about 5,000 other NATO European troops who are there but who are kind of waiting on the U.S. to make a decision. So there's about 7,500 troops in the country right now.


And:
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And so the whole thing was kind of unconventional, but there's an agreement. It was signed in February of last year, February 2020. And it says that the United States will pull out all of its forces by May 1. And what's remarkable about it is that since February 2020, no American soldiers have been killed in Afghanistan. So the Taliban have, in fact, held to their word.


So, what happened:
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Well, the Biden administration inherited all this, right? So they inherited the war, and then they inherited this May 1 pullout date, which is the United States will withdraw all of its forces by May 1. What do they do? And so there - this entire thing, these - this set of really impossible choices, it was just there, left for them, left waiting for them when they came into the White House.

So Biden has to decide what he's going to do 'cause the date is rapidly approaching when the U.S. is supposed to go to zero. And, really, we're kind of at that point right now. If the U.S. doesn't start packing - literally packing up - they're not going to be able to get out of there by May 1. So they - Biden needs to make a decision right away.

And I think - I was in a room with an intelligence officer that was briefing some American soldiers. And she said, look; if we're still here after May 1, and we might be, it's game on. You know, the - you can expect the Taliban to start coming after Americans again. So the war goes back. The war comes back on May 1 if we're still there.

Source: https://www.npr.org/2021/03/04/973604904/trumps-deal-to-end-war-in-afghanistan-leaves-biden-with-a-terrible-situation



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20 Aug 2021, 9:38 pm

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Unfortunately, the dominant left-wing media doesn't show all the gaffs that he makes, the ones that media outlets like Sky News reports.


This is where your claims of impartiality fall down. There isn't a left-wing press of any consequence in the USA. The Country as a whole is ideologically opposed to anything even mildly centrist, let alone genuinely left wing. It is very, very rare to hear a left wing philosophy championed in U.S. mainstream media. Ergo, the media most definitely isn't left-wing. The debates are all about differing shades of right-wing choice.

I think what you're trying - and failing - to claim here is the majority of the American press are pro-Democrat. That's also questionable, do you have any genuinely independent, unbiased analysis to back that claim up? It's also most definitely not the same thing as the majority of the American press being left-wing, because the Democrats aren't left-wing. They're simply less right wing than the Republicans.


From what I can see, the Democrats are like our Labor Party.

Do the Democrats believe in capitalism?
Or are they more inclined to embrace socialism?


Seems to be the former over all. And that is the problem I have with the democrats, they favor capitalism over socialism, I think more socialism is needed.


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20 Aug 2021, 9:55 pm

DW_a_mom wrote:
Pepe wrote:
DW_a_mom wrote:
Pepe wrote:
DW_a_mom wrote:
I find it frustrating that US politics is either so entertaining or such an international gossip magnet that any foreign National would spend more time with it than their own. This is real life to me; not an intellectual exercise, and foreign influences can have a profound negative effect on the debate, increasing dangerous divisiveness while lacking all the necessary background perspective. Even if it’s from Nationals in a friendly country, there is a point at which the input exceeds any potential usefulness as an outside perspective.


Firstly, regarding dangers to a society.
Try living in Australia that is existentially threatened by a jingoistic Chinese menace.

Secondly, I believe you are more than a little out of touch as to the significance of this website in regard to influencing American social dysfunctionality, let alone some members who are not Amerians.
Destroying American social harmony is very effectively done by its internal political division of its citizens already and has no need to find support elsewhere.

I am the Oracle of Truth and focus on finding it wherever it may be.
Is that problem for some of those in America? :scratch: :mrgreen:


I was thinking more generally than the discussion on here, but the reality is you can't know the details of how things are playing out on the ground in a place you don't live, and are naturally going to apply assumptions that come from your own experiences, which can sometimes help and sometimes hinder truth seeking and understanding.

I see so many memes on social media that are created overseas and are designed to increase the divides here. It's frustrating. People aren't looking to see the source, but they should. Where an opinion comes from matters.


An American WP member, in particular, becomes outraged when non-Amerians have an opinion on American politics, and literally was seeking to have non-Amerian members barred from making contributions.
Staggering.
I hope you are not heading in that direction. 8O

I am not "most people", and depend heavily on my critical thinking skills and a willingness to amend my POV when new information comes my way.
Refer to: Scientific Methodology. 8)

How can I do this so effectively? :chin:
I focus on the Truth, rather than servicing a political narrative.
And please don't attribute/link other people's memes to me. 8)


I can't relate at all to the desire to dig into another countries politics at the level you do, but am always happy (if I have time) to do a little bit of intellectual wrestling. Knowing that you don't live here means I feel no need to understand your thinking on any deep level, however, and I'm bothered when I see a foreign national spread but I strongly believe is disinformation (not pointing this at you, specifically). We have enough of that already.

As for outside perspective, I have relatives overseas to keep me informed on how we're viewed from "outside," I don't NEED your perspective. What I NEED to understand is the rational behind my neighbor's positions.


WOW! :!:
You seem to be becoming quite aggressive. EEP! 8O
I will make my contributions, within the bounds of the "house rulz", whether you like them or not. :mrgreen:

"Have a nice day." 8)



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20 Aug 2021, 10:06 pm

Sweetleaf wrote:
Pepe wrote:
Redd_Kross wrote:
Pepe wrote:
Unfortunately, the dominant left-wing media doesn't show all the gaffs that he makes, the ones that media outlets like Sky News reports.


This is where your claims of impartiality fall down. There isn't a left-wing press of any consequence in the USA. The Country as a whole is ideologically opposed to anything even mildly centrist, let alone genuinely left wing. It is very, very rare to hear a left wing philosophy championed in U.S. mainstream media. Ergo, the media most definitely isn't left-wing. The debates are all about differing shades of right-wing choice.

I think what you're trying - and failing - to claim here is the majority of the American press are pro-Democrat. That's also questionable, do you have any genuinely independent, unbiased analysis to back that claim up? It's also most definitely not the same thing as the majority of the American press being left-wing, because the Democrats aren't left-wing. They're simply less right wing than the Republicans.


From what I can see, the Democrats are like our Labor Party.

Do the Democrats believe in capitalism?
Or are they more inclined to embrace socialism?


Seems to be the former over all. And that is the problem I have with the democrats, they favor capitalism over socialism, I think more socialism is needed.


The Democrats embrace a huge number of socialistic traits, or perhaps that has more to do with its "card-carrying" members than its ideology.
The liberals/progressives tend to embrace woke-ism to a large degree, as an example.
Inflicting collective guilt is something that is again a left-wing phenomenon, which is more socialist rather than capitalist, imo.

Perhaps it is a cultural thing.
In the past, some people constantly tried to cast me as an American conservative despite our conservatives over here being very different.
It took quite some time to work out what was going on.

Also, may I remind people that I am a hard core atheist. 8)



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20 Aug 2021, 10:13 pm

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Pepe wrote:
Fnord wrote:
As soon as I saw the title of this thread, I knew it must have been started by either Brictoria or Pepe -- neither of whom are Americans -- and that it would feature at least one YouTube video as fake "evidence".


Constructive commentary is always welcome. 8)


Operation Warp Speed was a last ditch effort to save his second term. He had no plan to combat covid. He didn't understand it so he did nothing.


Are you saying "Operation Warp Speed" didn't improve the situation enormously?
Some people back then believed there would never be a vaccine.
Imagine what life would be without it, these days. 8O

BTW, I got my first vaccine shot a few days ago.
I'm still alive, so far. 8)