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16 Nov 2021, 12:05 pm

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The only thing they’ll get is FIRED and JAILED, as unions are now worse than useless.


Jailed for not showing up to work? :lol:


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16 Nov 2021, 12:08 pm

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Also if China isn't part of the ban, and they wouldn't be, then it would be useless.


Why wouldn't they be? :roll:

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I'm one hundred percent against socialism because I got a job and earned everything I have myself. I resent any attempt to steal my income and give it to those who haven't earned it. Fact is equality doesn't exist and we shouldn't attempt to force it on society. I've talked with people who lived in socialist era Eastern Europe, and they say there was no reward for individual achievement, nothing to make people strive for better.

Now if we repealed minimum wage laws and allowed real market values of work and goods determine wages and prices everyone would benefit.


So you've never benefited from publicly owned infrastructure or social spending? This sounds like you've never thought much about how society has contributed to your life except through a misguided and childish ideological lens.


Infrastructure and military is not what I'm talking about. I'm happy to pay for that.



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16 Nov 2021, 12:18 pm

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Also if China isn't part of the ban, and they wouldn't be, then it would be useless.


Why wouldn't they be? :roll:

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I'm one hundred percent against socialism because I got a job and earned everything I have myself. I resent any attempt to steal my income and give it to those who haven't earned it. Fact is equality doesn't exist and we shouldn't attempt to force it on society. I've talked with people who lived in socialist era Eastern Europe, and they say there was no reward for individual achievement, nothing to make people strive for better.

Now if we repealed minimum wage laws and allowed real market values of work and goods determine wages and prices everyone would benefit.


So you've never benefited from publicly owned infrastructure or social spending? This sounds like you've never thought much about how society has contributed to your life except through a misguided and childish ideological lens.


Infrastructure and military is not what I'm talking about. I'm happy to pay for that.


Funny how every capitalist country on earth recognizes the need for government spending in other areas, almost like they've conceded unfettered capitalism only works in theory.


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16 Nov 2021, 12:20 pm

funeralxempire wrote:
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Also if China isn't part of the ban, and they wouldn't be, then it would be useless.


Why wouldn't they be? :roll:

Axeman wrote:
I'm one hundred percent against socialism because I got a job and earned everything I have myself. I resent any attempt to steal my income and give it to those who haven't earned it. Fact is equality doesn't exist and we shouldn't attempt to force it on society. I've talked with people who lived in socialist era Eastern Europe, and they say there was no reward for individual achievement, nothing to make people strive for better.

Now if we repealed minimum wage laws and allowed real market values of work and goods determine wages and prices everyone would benefit.


So you've never benefited from publicly owned infrastructure or social spending? This sounds like you've never thought much about how society has contributed to your life except through a misguided and childish ideological lens.


Because China is the biggest producer of throw away plastic crap on this planet and they simply don't care about the environment.



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16 Nov 2021, 12:23 pm

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Also if China isn't part of the ban, and they wouldn't be, then it would be useless.


Why wouldn't they be? :roll:

Axeman wrote:
I'm one hundred percent against socialism because I got a job and earned everything I have myself. I resent any attempt to steal my income and give it to those who haven't earned it. Fact is equality doesn't exist and we shouldn't attempt to force it on society. I've talked with people who lived in socialist era Eastern Europe, and they say there was no reward for individual achievement, nothing to make people strive for better.

Now if we repealed minimum wage laws and allowed real market values of work and goods determine wages and prices everyone would benefit.


So you've never benefited from publicly owned infrastructure or social spending? This sounds like you've never thought much about how society has contributed to your life except through a misguided and childish ideological lens.


Infrastructure and military is not what I'm talking about. I'm happy to pay for that.


Funny how every capitalist country on earth recognizes the need for government spending in other areas, almost like they've conceded unfettered capitalism only works in theory.


I'm not for supporting purple haired idle lazy people who use their stimulus checks to get more tattoos, pokemon cards, and nose piercings.



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16 Nov 2021, 12:24 pm

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Because China is the biggest producer of throw away plastic crap on this planet and they simply don't care about the environment.


Why do you think the west outsourced everything? To drive down the cost of labour. We should buy as little as possible from China and impose penalties on places with terrible worker's rights and environmental policies. (Although we won't because the people who run our countries don't care about the interests of working people)


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16 Nov 2021, 12:25 pm

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Funny how every capitalist country on earth recognizes the need for government spending in other areas, almost like they've conceded unfettered capitalism only works in theory.


I'm not for supporting purple haired idle lazy people who use their stimulus checks to get more tattoos, pokemon cards, and nose piercings.


That's a lovely strawman you've constructed.


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16 Nov 2021, 12:27 pm

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Because China is the biggest producer of throw away plastic crap on this planet and they simply don't care about the environment.


Why do you think the west outsourced everything? To drive down the cost of labour. We should buy as little as possible from China and impose penalties on places with terrible worker's rights and environmental policies. (Although we won't because the people who run our countries don't care about the interests of working people)


Tariffs on stuff from China hurts the merchant in the West, not China. We are now dependant on stuff they make



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16 Nov 2021, 12:28 pm

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Funny how every capitalist country on earth recognizes the need for government spending in other areas, almost like they've conceded unfettered capitalism only works in theory.


I'm not for supporting purple haired idle lazy people who use their stimulus checks to get more tattoos, pokemon cards, and nose piercings.


That's a lovely strawman you've constructed.


Ie Zoomers.



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16 Nov 2021, 12:34 pm

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Tariffs on stuff from China hurts the merchant in the West, not China. We are now dependant on stuff they make


Sounds like the merchant's problem. They chose to build their business model poorly, they can deal with the results of that.


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16 Nov 2021, 12:37 pm

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Tariffs on stuff from China hurts the merchant in the West, not China. We are now dependant on stuff they make


Sounds like the merchant's problem. They chose to build their business model poorly, they can deal with the results of that.


And you were just talking about punishment for China for making stuff we want. How do you propose to do it because like I said tariffs are no issue to them



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16 Nov 2021, 12:43 pm

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So, it has been over a month since The Strike That Never Was. Did the results benefit the global population?
You sound like you think social change happens all at once instead of being a slow process that builds upon successes and learns from failures.
Easy then you've got no success and haven't learned a thing from a century of failure.
Sounds like you're deeply unaware of the history of the labor movement.
Looks like you may have studied at the Donald Trump School of Political Science.



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16 Nov 2021, 12:50 pm

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Tariffs on stuff from China hurts the merchant in the West, not China. We are now dependant on stuff they make


Sounds like the merchant's problem. They chose to build their business model poorly, they can deal with the results of that.


And you were just talking about punishment for China for making stuff we want. How do you propose to do it because like I said tariffs are no issue to them


It's not like only one solution can be attempted. You regulate importing plastics and you regulate use of them.

How would you address the issue of plastic pollution? Is there a free market solution or would you just ignore the problem?


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16 Nov 2021, 12:51 pm

Fnord wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
Axeman wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
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So, it has been over a month since The Strike That Never Was. Did the results benefit the global population?
You sound like you think social change happens all at once instead of being a slow process that builds upon successes and learns from failures.
Easy then you've got no success and haven't learned a thing from a century of failure.
Sounds like you're deeply unaware of the history of the labor movement.
Looks like you may have studied at the Donald Trump School of Political Science.


I could try imitating the all snark and no content style so many posters seem to enjoy.


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16 Nov 2021, 12:56 pm

funeralxempire wrote:
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Tariffs on stuff from China hurts the merchant in the West, not China. We are now dependant on stuff they make


Sounds like the merchant's problem. They chose to build their business model poorly, they can deal with the results of that.


And you were just talking about punishment for China for making stuff we want. How do you propose to do it because like I said tariffs are no issue to them


It's not like only one solution can be attempted. You regulate importing plastics and you regulate use of them.

How would you address the issue of plastic pollution? Is there a free market solution or would you just ignore the problem?


Biological breakdown of plastic by bacteria. There is research on this.

Regulation of every piece of plastic and outright banning isn't gonna fly. That's outrageous and impossible.



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16 Nov 2021, 1:26 pm

https://www.ecowatch.com/scientists-fin ... 82039.html

https://www.theguardian.com/environment ... mes-faster