Height being most important factor?

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is height most important?
Yes most women have a strong preference for tall men 32%  32%  [ 7 ]
No women dont care about height unless you are very short 68%  68%  [ 15 ]
Total votes : 22

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05 Nov 2021, 2:09 am

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
Of course the number one attracts matters, the higher the number of options, the higher the probability to pick a best suitable one.

It’s a mathematical truth.

This is true. I would add though that finding "the one" is the ultimate goal, and attracting a high number of prospective partners is useful as a means to that end.

But you don't need to appeal to everyone, or even most people. As long as you can garner the interest of even a handful of people you also have an interest in, finding your match is plausible.

It's when you appeal to very few people or no people you're interested in that you have a problem.



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05 Nov 2021, 5:47 am

If I relied upon statistics to determine my dating future, I’d still be a virgin at 60. If I went about dating the conventional way, I’d still be a virgin at 60.

I’m just under 5 foot 5, 164 cm. My “looks” depend upon how I carry myself. I appear to have a vague disorder. People looking for that know right away. I’m not really articulate. I stutter slightly and I blend words and phrases together to a mild degree; this is known as “cluttering.” I sense there is a slight “ret*d” cadence to my voice, though it has lessened over the years. My phraseology is rather childlike.

I knew, from about age 15 or so, that I had to achieve romance through the back or side door. If I went about it the conventional way, I’d have no chance. Even less chance with online dating.

Statistics are irrelevant for individual persons.



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05 Nov 2021, 5:47 am

cyberdad wrote:
The Grand Inquisitor wrote:
From memory, about 15 women responded. All but one of them responded with no. A


The one who said yes would still end up marrying a guy who is taller than her.

There's an online dating consultant named Kevin Samuels who runs podcasts who interviews single women just like this who say "yes" they will date/marry a guy who is
i) poorer than her
ii) average-below average looking and/or
iii) shorter than her

He then follows up with these single women and none of them ever live up to their claims. It's called lip service.


Hence why surveys should be anonymous, no one wants to appear "shallow" in public.



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05 Nov 2021, 5:48 am

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If I relied upon statistics to determine my dating future, I’d still be a virgin at 60. If I went about dating the conventional way, I’d still be a virgin at 60.

I’m just under 5 foot 5, 164 cm. My “looks” depends upon how I carry myself. I have very awkward ways in which I move my facial muscles; I appear to have a vague disorder. People looking for that know right away. I’m not really articulate. I stutter slightly and I blend words and phrases together to a mild degree.

I knew, from about age 15 or so, that I had to achieve romance through the back or side door.

Statistics are irrelevant for individual persons.


It's thanks to statistics that more people are encouraged to get vaccinated ;).



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05 Nov 2021, 5:52 am

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
The Grand Inquisitor wrote:
From memory, about 15 women responded. All but one of them responded with no. A


The one who said yes would still end up marrying a guy who is taller than her.

There's an online dating consultant named Kevin Samuels who runs podcasts who interviews single women just like this who say "yes" they will date/marry a guy who is
i) poorer than her
ii) average-below average looking and/or
iii) shorter than her

He then follows up with these single women and none of them ever live up to their claims. It's called lip service.


Hence why surveys should be anonymous, no one wants to appear "shallow" in public.

In the case of the Facebook poll I was talking about, you could see the names of the people who voted no.



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05 Nov 2021, 5:53 am

Vaccination is science. “Social science” is a crapshoot.

If you go about dating using scientific methods, you would have no chance.



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05 Nov 2021, 5:57 am

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
The Grand Inquisitor wrote:
From memory, about 15 women responded. All but one of them responded with no. A


The one who said yes would still end up marrying a guy who is taller than her.

There's an online dating consultant named Kevin Samuels who runs podcasts who interviews single women just like this who say "yes" they will date/marry a guy who is
i) poorer than her
ii) average-below average looking and/or
iii) shorter than her

He then follows up with these single women and none of them ever live up to their claims. It's called lip service.


Hence why surveys should be anonymous, no one wants to appear "shallow" in public.


All people have internal narrative and genuinely believe many things they tell not only to others, but to themselves as well. Every study confirms that, even in case of completely anonymous questionnaires about some trivial, low stake matters, results of asking people virtually never match de facto data collected by observation.



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05 Nov 2021, 6:13 am

smartHulk wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
The Grand Inquisitor wrote:
From memory, about 15 women responded. All but one of them responded with no. A


The one who said yes would still end up marrying a guy who is taller than her.

There's an online dating consultant named Kevin Samuels who runs podcasts who interviews single women just like this who say "yes" they will date/marry a guy who is
i) poorer than her
ii) average-below average looking and/or
iii) shorter than her

He then follows up with these single women and none of them ever live up to their claims. It's called lip service.


Hence why surveys should be anonymous, no one wants to appear "shallow" in public.


All people have internal narrative and genuinely believe many things they tell not only to others, but to themselves as well. Every study confirms that, even in case of completely anonymous questionnaires about some trivial, low stake matters, results of asking people virtually never match de facto data collected by observation.



I recall a study that confirms that but not gonna post here.



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05 Nov 2021, 7:48 am

Yes.....there are some women who care about height. There are some women who would not go out with somebody who is shorter than them.

But there are many who don't care about height, and some who wouldn't mind going out with somebody shorter than them.

My wife and I are the same height----but she claims I'm shorter than her. The difference is that her arms are longer than mine, and her face is a little smaller. If I had a smaller head, I'd probably be closer to 5 foot 3.



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05 Nov 2021, 7:50 am

I was debating about this topic on yahoo answers and one person said “doesn’t matter if a man is tall or short us women just don’t find men attractive”



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05 Nov 2021, 11:20 am

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
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So we can all agree the shorter the male is the more limited their options are.


No. I'm still not convinced women who prefer tall men necessarily outweigh women who prefer short men.

In any case, does it really matter what percentage of women are interested in you? If you're looking for a monogamous relationship, all that matters is finding one compatible person, and having more options could make that easier, or it could make it harder. (For example, if you keep getting distracted by people who are interested in you but ultimately not compatible with you. Or if the best person for you gets discouraged by the competition.)



Your logic is weird.

Of course the number one attracts matters, the higher the number of options, the higher the probability to pick a best suitable one.

It’s a mathematical truth.


More people attracted to you doesn't necessarily translate to more relationship success. What matters is how many of the people attracted to you are actually compatible partners for you.

If you're swamped with offers from unsuitable people, you're likely to have a lot of trouble picking out the few that would be suitable from the crowd.

This is also assuming you even know who's attracted to you. I've known many people who've realized only years later that someone was hitting on them.

Your logic is similar to people who argue "calories in calories out" for dieting. It sounds plausible, but the reality is way more complicated.

For example, social psych research shows that people who have an easier time getting dates don't necessarily have an easier time finding someone they want to marry. In particular, high social self-monitoring (basically the NT equivalent of masking) makes it easier to find dates but harder to find a spouse.



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05 Nov 2021, 12:46 pm

cyberdad wrote:
The Grand Inquisitor wrote:
From memory, about 15 women responded. All but one of them responded with no. A


The one who said yes would still end up marrying a guy who is taller than her.

There's an online dating consultant named Kevin Samuels who runs podcasts who interviews single women just like this who say "yes" they will date/marry a guy who is
i) poorer than her
ii) average-below average looking and/or
iii) shorter than her

He then follows up with these single women and none of them ever live up to their claims. It's called lip service.



Is the hypothetical women who is open to dating someone shorter than them, also required to refuse any advances from men taller than her?

A lot of people talk about physical traits they find attractive when single, it doesn't mean they will only date people who check off all the boxes in that list. Also, just because someone would date someone poorer, shorter or less attractive does not mean that is the person they will meet who they hit it off with.


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05 Nov 2021, 12:51 pm

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For example, social psych research shows that people who have an easier time getting dates don't necessarily have an easier time finding someone they want to marry.
Sounds like my aunt :> Popular, had loads of boyfriends but never established a stable relationship.

My post-high-school observation was, the first to marry were the less objectively attractive couples - I think once they found each other, they didn't expect many more chances, so they were faster to invest into their existing relationships.


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05 Nov 2021, 1:19 pm

It seems clear that that there are three possibilities when trying to measure the opinions of people regarding their own preferences (in many other cases, not just whether women are strongly selective of taller men).

1) There will be a lack of honesty when disclosing one's opinions in a non-anonymous survey (whether that lack of honesty is known or subconscious)

2) A preference (or lack thereof) will be expressed, and sincerely believed, but actions in life will run counter to the expressed.

3) A preference (or lack thereof) will be expressed, and sincerely believed, and actions in life will accurately reflect the stated attitude. I would be very interested to see a statistical breakdown of this sub-group, and whether the honest "yeah, I like and go for tall guys" subset or the honest "He only needs to be a good guy in other ways, height is unimportant" subset wins out...


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05 Nov 2021, 6:35 pm

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My post-high-school observation was, the first to marry were the less objectively attractive couples - I think once they found each other, they didn't expect many more chances, so they were faster to invest into their existing relationships.




I don't think this is necessarily true. I think what decides whether or not someone gets married young is their values.

For instance, some people really value getting married and starting a family. Maybe their religion or their family background, highly encourages finding someone to marry. As a result, people with these values tend to marry quicker and younger compared to others who prefer to date casually without setting down or those who'd rather focus on a career than on getting married. Also the culture you grew up in can really influence people to get married young if that is what is seen as normal or the norm. I know that in many small rural areas, many people get married before the age of 25 and that is completely normal for them.


I graduated from a small Christian high school with a class of 13 kids and I know at least half of them are married now. The people who got married young were the most well known and popular kids, and I would say that most of them are fairly religious. Because in Christian culture, marriage is seen as a very sacred thing to do, so those who are very religious, along with growing up in a conservative culture that promotes marriage, will tend to get married younger.



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05 Nov 2021, 7:43 pm

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magz wrote:

My post-high-school observation was, the first to marry were the less objectively attractive couples - I think once they found each other, they didn't expect many more chances, so they were faster to invest into their existing relationships.




I don't think this is necessarily true. I think what decides whether or not someone gets married young is their values.

For instance, some people really value getting married and starting a family. Maybe their religion or their family background, highly encourages finding someone to marry. As a result, people with these values tend to marry quicker and younger compared to others who prefer to date casually without setting down or those who'd rather focus on a career than on getting married. Also the culture you grew up in can really influence people to get married young if that is what is seen as normal or the norm. I know that in many small rural areas, many people get married before the age of 25 and that is completely normal for them.


I graduated from a small Christian high school with a class of 13 kids and I know at least half of them are married now. The people who got married young were the most well known and popular kids, and I would say that most of them are fairly religious. Because in Christian culture, marriage is seen as a very sacred thing to do, so those who are very religious, along with growing up in a conservative culture that promotes marriage, will tend to get married younger.


Could also be that less attractive people were more likely to pick partners based on personality, and therefore end up with someone they actually enjoy spending time with and not just looking at.