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02 Dec 2021, 10:56 am
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Cyber Monday online sales drop 1.4% from last year to $10.7 billion, falling for the first time ever
It's enough to be noticed, but not enough to be sure of the cause. I doubt it's entirely due to people choose to not spend, but it may turn out to be optimistic that it's entirely due to people spreading out their spending.
It's enough to be noticed, but not enough to be sure of the cause. I doubt it's entirely due to people choose to not spend, but it may turn out to be optimistic that it's entirely due to people spreading out their spending.
Hey do you want to illegalize Legos? Think of all the billions of small plastic parts they make every year those bastards!
Lego actually has a pretty good record as far as trying to reduce environmental impacts go.
02 Dec 2021, 11:06 am
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02 Dec 2021, 11:44 am
maycontainthunder wrote:
Same thing happens to vehicles... they destroy the originality to make them shiny. In a row of vehicles I'll always go and look at the unrestored ones, they are the ones that interest me the most.
Pro-touring removes the originality to improve the functionality.
Personally I'd much rather have EFI than a carburettor.
02 Dec 2021, 12:25 pm
funeralxempire wrote:
maycontainthunder wrote:
Same thing happens to vehicles... they destroy the originality to make them shiny. In a row of vehicles I'll always go and look at the unrestored ones, they are the ones that interest me the most.
Pro-touring removes the originality to improve the functionality.
Personally I'd much rather have EFI than a carburettor.
For the vast majority of classic & vintage vehicles fuel injection wouldn't be possible especially if they have an autovac based fuel system.
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02 Dec 2021, 12:36 pm
maycontainthunder wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
maycontainthunder wrote:
Same thing happens to vehicles... they destroy the originality to make them shiny. In a row of vehicles I'll always go and look at the unrestored ones, they are the ones that interest me the most.
Pro-touring removes the originality to improve the functionality.
Personally I'd much rather have EFI than a carburettor.
For the vast majority of classic & vintage vehicles fuel injection wouldn't be possible especially if they have an autovac based fuel system.
Depends on the era you're defining, because Holley and others sell EFI kits for a number of older American engines.
Also, I'd yank the old engine out entirely and put it into storage as a curiosity then replace it with something better like a Honda K, Nissan VQ or a GM LS (maybe a Ford Barra, but only in Australia). There's a number of '80s through modern era engines with lots of support for swapping and lots of aftermarket support for improving. There's no need to put more wear on something old with limited support and much shorter maintenance intervals.
02 Dec 2021, 8:14 pm
funeralxempire wrote:
maycontainthunder wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
maycontainthunder wrote:
Same thing happens to vehicles... they destroy the originality to make them shiny. In a row of vehicles I'll always go and look at the unrestored ones, they are the ones that interest me the most.
Pro-touring removes the originality to improve the functionality.
Personally I'd much rather have EFI than a carburettor.
For the vast majority of classic & vintage vehicles fuel injection wouldn't be possible especially if they have an autovac based fuel system.
Depends on the era you're defining, because Holley and others sell EFI kits for a number of older American engines.
Also, I'd yank the old engine out entirely and put it into storage as a curiosity then replace it with something better like a Honda K, Nissan VQ or a GM LS (maybe a Ford Barra, but only in Australia). There's a number of '80s through modern era engines with lots of support for swapping and lots of aftermarket support for improving. There's no need to put more wear on something old with limited support and much shorter maintenance intervals.
If you did that with an American muscle car, you would be kicked out of almost every car show for that specific brand of car here in the Midwest. The car clubs that I am a member of do not let members have non-brand specific engines in their cars, with the exception of vintage hot rods or rat rods. Going with a foreign engine will get you a permanent ban from those clubs. The same can be said of English, German or Italian cars with foreign engines installed. The one exception is the early Pantaras, which came with Ford 351s from the dealerships.
If you do not believe me, go stick a Honda engine in a BMW car and show it at an all BMW show. You will be likely be escorted off the premises when the hood is raised.
02 Dec 2021, 8:17 pm
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02 Dec 2021, 10:41 pm
QuantumChemist wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
maycontainthunder wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
maycontainthunder wrote:
Same thing happens to vehicles... they destroy the originality to make them shiny. In a row of vehicles I'll always go and look at the unrestored ones, they are the ones that interest me the most.
Pro-touring removes the originality to improve the functionality.
Personally I'd much rather have EFI than a carburettor.
For the vast majority of classic & vintage vehicles fuel injection wouldn't be possible especially if they have an autovac based fuel system.
Depends on the era you're defining, because Holley and others sell EFI kits for a number of older American engines.
Also, I'd yank the old engine out entirely and put it into storage as a curiosity then replace it with something better like a Honda K, Nissan VQ or a GM LS (maybe a Ford Barra, but only in Australia). There's a number of '80s through modern era engines with lots of support for swapping and lots of aftermarket support for improving. There's no need to put more wear on something old with limited support and much shorter maintenance intervals.
If you did that with an American muscle car, you would be kicked out of almost every car show for that specific brand of car here in the Midwest. The car clubs that I am a member of do not let members have non-brand specific engines in their cars, with the exception of vintage hot rods or rat rods. Going with a foreign engine will get you a permanent ban from those clubs. The same can be said of English, German or Italian cars with foreign engines installed. The one exception is the early Pantaras, which came with Ford 351s from the dealerships.
If you do not believe me, go stick a Honda engine in a BMW car and show it at an all BMW show. You will be likely be escorted off the premises when the hood is raised.
If you've never seen a modified or customized car at a car show I don't think you can act like you attend many car shows.
Personally I avoid one-make shows or anything that fixates on day-one restorations only because those shows are by and for unpleasant people who are more concerned about originality than fun, I'm sorry you've absorbed their terrible attitudes but you're not elite in any way for parroting those people.
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03 Dec 2021, 10:20 am
funeralxempire wrote:
QuantumChemist wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
maycontainthunder wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
maycontainthunder wrote:
Same thing happens to vehicles... they destroy the originality to make them shiny. In a row of vehicles I'll always go and look at the unrestored ones, they are the ones that interest me the most.
Pro-touring removes the originality to improve the functionality.
Personally I'd much rather have EFI than a carburettor.
For the vast majority of classic & vintage vehicles fuel injection wouldn't be possible especially if they have an autovac based fuel system.
Depends on the era you're defining, because Holley and others sell EFI kits for a number of older American engines.
Also, I'd yank the old engine out entirely and put it into storage as a curiosity then replace it with something better like a Honda K, Nissan VQ or a GM LS (maybe a Ford Barra, but only in Australia). There's a number of '80s through modern era engines with lots of support for swapping and lots of aftermarket support for improving. There's no need to put more wear on something old with limited support and much shorter maintenance intervals.
If you did that with an American muscle car, you would be kicked out of almost every car show for that specific brand of car here in the Midwest. The car clubs that I am a member of do not let members have non-brand specific engines in their cars, with the exception of vintage hot rods or rat rods. Going with a foreign engine will get you a permanent ban from those clubs. The same can be said of English, German or Italian cars with foreign engines installed. The one exception is the early Pantaras, which came with Ford 351s from the dealerships.
If you do not believe me, go stick a Honda engine in a BMW car and show it at an all BMW show. You will be likely be escorted off the premises when the hood is raised.
If you've never seen a modified or customized car at a car show I don't think you can act like you attend many car shows.
Personally I avoid one-make shows or anything that fixates on day-one restorations only because those shows are by and for unpleasant people who are more concerned about originality than fun, I'm sorry you've absorbed their terrible attitudes but you're not elite in any way for parroting those people.
There is a huge difference between making internal modifications to an original equipment engine and outright replacing it with one from another brand of car. Purists (like me) that collect cars want originality in our cars. This can be backed with prices sold at major collector car auctions (Mecum, Barrett-Jackson, etc.). Survivor cars with the most original, non-modified parts bring the most money on the auction block. Heavily modified cars with non-brand engines bring the lowest price, right next to non-running project cars. It is simple math. If you want to keep the value up, you leave it alone. That is the voice of the collecting community on how a car should be kept.
As for the slam: I have been going to car shows since 1980. There was a national show that I attended as a honored guest for a specific brand that I am an expert on. I also helped organize a few local shows when I was in graduate school, so I know what goes into judging a class at a show. Having non-original parts will get your score dinged the most in the survivor class. At one of the shows, I got to ride in an real 1970 Hemi Cuda Convertible. It later sold at auction for $2,000,000+. It would not have sold for anywhere near that if it did not have the original 426 Hemi between the fenders.
03 Dec 2021, 10:29 am
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03 Dec 2021, 10:40 am
QuantumChemist wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
QuantumChemist wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
maycontainthunder wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
maycontainthunder wrote:
Same thing happens to vehicles... they destroy the originality to make them shiny. In a row of vehicles I'll always go and look at the unrestored ones, they are the ones that interest me the most.
Pro-touring removes the originality to improve the functionality.
Personally I'd much rather have EFI than a carburettor.
For the vast majority of classic & vintage vehicles fuel injection wouldn't be possible especially if they have an autovac based fuel system.
Depends on the era you're defining, because Holley and others sell EFI kits for a number of older American engines.
Also, I'd yank the old engine out entirely and put it into storage as a curiosity then replace it with something better like a Honda K, Nissan VQ or a GM LS (maybe a Ford Barra, but only in Australia). There's a number of '80s through modern era engines with lots of support for swapping and lots of aftermarket support for improving. There's no need to put more wear on something old with limited support and much shorter maintenance intervals.
If you did that with an American muscle car, you would be kicked out of almost every car show for that specific brand of car here in the Midwest. The car clubs that I am a member of do not let members have non-brand specific engines in their cars, with the exception of vintage hot rods or rat rods. Going with a foreign engine will get you a permanent ban from those clubs. The same can be said of English, German or Italian cars with foreign engines installed. The one exception is the early Pantaras, which came with Ford 351s from the dealerships.
If you do not believe me, go stick a Honda engine in a BMW car and show it at an all BMW show. You will be likely be escorted off the premises when the hood is raised.
If you've never seen a modified or customized car at a car show I don't think you can act like you attend many car shows.
Personally I avoid one-make shows or anything that fixates on day-one restorations only because those shows are by and for unpleasant people who are more concerned about originality than fun, I'm sorry you've absorbed their terrible attitudes but you're not elite in any way for parroting those people.
There is a huge difference between making internal modifications to an original equipment engine and outright replacing it with one from another brand of car. Purists (like me) that collect cars want originality in our cars. This can be backed with prices sold at major collector car auctions (Mecum, Barrett-Jackson, etc.). Survivor cars with the most original, non-modified parts bring the most money on the auction block. Heavily modified cars with non-brand engines bring the lowest price, right next to non-running project cars. It is simple math. If you want to keep the value up, you leave it alone. That is the voice of the collecting community on how a car should be kept.
As for the slam: I have been going to car shows since 1980. There was a national show that I attended as a honored guest for a specific brand that I am an expert on. I also helped organize a few local shows when I was in graduate school, so I know what goes into judging a class at a show. Having non-original parts will get your score dinged the most in the survivor class. At one of the shows, I got to ride in an real 1970 Hemi Cuda Convertible. It later sold at auction for $2,000,000+. It would not have sold for anywhere near that if it did not have the original 426 Hemi between the fenders.
Personally I'm not concerned about cars collectability or their appeal to people who will keep them in storage, rarely if ever being enjoyed. I'm not at all concerned with how Mecums or Barrett-Jackson values a car. I care if it's fun and I care if it's able to be reliably enjoyed.
You're welcome to your preferences, but they sound like the preferences of people who view cars as investments. I don't share those preferences, I prefer tools to get used and enjoyed even if it means they get worn-out, modified or depreciate in value.
Purists (aka cork-sniffers) are just the elitists adjacent to car enthusiasts, their preferences and opinions only matter to them. Since my interest is in enjoying cars, not trying to flip them to some other speculator I don't care what the speculators prefer.
What's the point of a sports car you can't afford to enjoy?
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