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10 Jan 2022, 2:11 am

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Even after all the times people people have told me to not make a big deal about things I see on the news, the internet is still finding ways to make me worry about the future of our society. This time, it involves an expert of sorts saying that by 2030, the US could turn into a right wing dictatorship. I really don't know what kind of bad that'll be for the country, but whatever it is, it's scary to me. I want to know for sure that things will get better after this time of COVID and political division and government corruption.



Strange, I keep hearing how everything is turning to the left wing and how woke has taken over but then I hear this? Is this another conspiracy created by the right about our country going woke and we're leaning towards the left?
I don't think so. The video that I linked to earlier in this thread is a liberal saying that we're screwed bc of the authoritarian right and people in the comments agreeing. One commenter even made a comparison to Nazi Germany.


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10 Jan 2022, 2:41 am

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The video that I linked to earlier in this thread is a liberal saying that we're screwed bc of the authoritarian right and people in the comments agreeing. One commenter even made a comparison to Nazi Germany.


So.....if liberals are "prone" to over exaggerate the threat posed by the authoritarian right why are you "scared"?
Dude! change the channel if you don't like the program.



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10 Jan 2022, 6:55 am

The OP is mistaken. America will never become a right-wing dictatorship; its negative views on Nazi Germany act as a strong deterrent against that. If anything, America will become the complete opposite: a "woke" censorship-filled liberal wasteland: with extremely high crime rates, formerly nice downtowns completely taken over by the homeless and the criminals, countless abandoned or burned-down stores, an 85% income tax on people who actually work to feed the lazy freeloaders, and a loaf of bread costing $100 (which the freeloaders never have to pay for). And we'll be wearing masks, social distancing, and showing our vax cards everywhere for the rest of our empty, soulless lives. It's going to make George Orwell's "1984" society look like Disney World!

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10 Jan 2022, 7:46 am

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The nature of government in the US was nicely described the outgoing US president Dwight Eisenhower. He warned of the burdens imposed by a large, and seemingly permanent, military establishment set up after WWII. He charged his countrymen to be on guard against a “militaryindustrial complex” acquiring “unwarranted influence” in the halls of power.

Fast forward to 2022 and the government in the US is multifaceted entity that includes
Foreign intelligence agency - CIA
National Security - FBI
The FBI and CIA are under direction from the National Security state - NSA who's powers were expanded following 9-11
The military industrial complex - conglomeration of US defence and private contractors
Multinational Corporations/banks - global conglomerates based in the US but also with no specific address who donate money to whoever is in power and who keep the wheels of the economy going.

The operations of the above are largely outside the jurisdiction of congress other than the budgets being set (although in the case of the NSA its been a blank cheque since 2001).


This has frightened me since forever .


It's probably the worst kept secret that there is a shadow government under the guise of the national security state (the NSA are but one arm) who (for the ostensible purposes of national security) operate outside of the jurisdiction of congress. This is partly a fail safe to avoid any authoritarian figure (e.g. Trump) getting above his station and/or instigating an attack on the government (how ironic). But also the initiation of measures to ensure protection against civil insurgency whether domestic or an international threat that is required to bypass the bureaucracy of congress to initiate swift action.


Makes me wonder how Jan 6 occurred if NSA was doing there job ? Had seen on TV report that FBI was infiltrated into some of those groups that were part of Jan6 event ..?


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10 Jan 2022, 7:52 am

Society can swing back in the opposite direction quite quickly when triggered.

So by ramming woke down peoples throats to the point where society is sick of it increases the chances of a right wing pushback that we may not have control of.

Similar thing happened in Germany in the 20s and 30’s.

Germans were told to feel guilty for 1st world war and had to be punished, led to the rise of hitler.

A different policy was pursued after the 2nd world war that was more successful.


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10 Jan 2022, 9:56 am

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Of course we all want to see America sailing into calm waters, leaving this mess all behind us. Unfortunately, troubled times for a country is the opening a potential dictatorship is waiting for. Wishful thinking, or ignoring the signs of the times, is the last thing any of us should be doing.
Then what should we be doing?
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10 Jan 2022, 10:05 am

It’s likely we’re not going to be a “fascist dictatorship” by 2030…..but we have to be wary of certain forces (like Trumpism) which could, under ideal conditions (for them) yield a “Dear Leader” type.

Of course, the Mainstream caters to Big Business and such….but a radical reaction to this could be very dangerous, indeed.



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10 Jan 2022, 10:13 am

“Silly rabbit Trix are for kids “ or didn’t you know big business, ie Corporations run both sides of the Democratic and Republican tickets .


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10 Jan 2022, 10:14 am

↑ Then just vote against Republicans and their propositions, especially if they are backed by Donald Trump.


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10 Jan 2022, 12:29 pm

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The OP is mistaken. America will never become a right-wing dictatorship; its negative views on Nazi Germany act as a strong deterrent against that. If anything, America will become the complete opposite: a "woke" censorship-filled liberal wasteland: with extremely high crime rates, formerly nice downtowns completely taken over by the homeless and the criminals, countless abandoned or burned-down stores, an 85% income tax on people who actually work to feed the lazy freeloaders, and a loaf of bread costing $100 (which the freeloaders never have to pay for). And we'll be wearing masks, social distancing, and showing our vax cards everywhere for the rest of our empty, soulless lives. It's going to make George Orwell's "1984" society look like Disney World!

Remember, kids: Socialism always fails when you run out of other people's money.


This is the kind of attitude and wrongful accusations that cause me to hate conservatism.

People who don't work, don't work for a REASON! Such as poor health.
People who are homeless are homeless for a REASON! Such as having no job - because they have a poor health.

You are calling people who have disabilities and poor health "lazy freeloaders" and "waste".
If anyone's getting angry at Conservatives, I completely understand them.

I feel the same way, and I have felt this for a very long time: I have nothing but contempt against Conservatives!



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10 Jan 2022, 5:47 pm

Sometimes life experience can have a way of creating changing attitudes in people ?


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10 Jan 2022, 5:54 pm

thinkinginpictures wrote:
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The OP is mistaken. America will never become a right-wing dictatorship; its negative views on Nazi Germany act as a strong deterrent against that. If anything, America will become the complete opposite: a "woke" censorship-filled liberal wasteland: with extremely high crime rates, formerly nice downtowns completely taken over by the homeless and the criminals, countless abandoned or burned-down stores, an 85% income tax on people who actually work to feed the lazy freeloaders, and a loaf of bread costing $100 (which the freeloaders never have to pay for). And we'll be wearing masks, social distancing, and showing our vax cards everywhere for the rest of our empty, soulless lives. It's going to make George Orwell's "1984" society look like Disney World!

Remember, kids: Socialism always fails when you run out of other people's money.


This is the kind of attitude and wrongful accusations that cause me to hate conservatism.

People who don't work, don't work for a REASON! Such as poor health.
People who are homeless are homeless for a REASON! Such as having no job - because they have a poor health.

You are calling people who have disabilities and poor health "lazy freeloaders" and "waste".


I might be remembering wrong, but I read somewhere the Nazis had the same attitude.



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10 Jan 2022, 5:59 pm

Yep. The Nazis had the same attitude—and took it to extremes (to say the least).



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10 Jan 2022, 6:05 pm

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Makes me wonder how Jan 6 occurred if NSA was doing there job ? Had seen on TV report that FBI was infiltrated into some of those groups that were part of Jan6 event ..?


Well that's a good question. There's evidence that US intelligence were actually monitoring the 9-11 terrorists prior to their attack on the twin towers and penatagon. It may be that they wanted to draw the leaders of these movements out into the open and catch them in the act.



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10 Jan 2022, 7:22 pm

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This is the kind of attitude and wrongful accusations that cause me to hate conservatism.

People who don't work, don't work for a REASON! Such as poor health.
People who are homeless are homeless for a REASON! Such as having no job - because they have a poor health.
There's a world of difference between "can't work" and "don't want to work". Most of the homeless and the criminals I see and hear about are perfectly healthy men, with strong muscles and a street-smart mind. There's absolutely no reason they can't get a job loading Amazon trucks, or stocking Walmart shelves, or mowing boulevard medians. But they know all too well they can make more money from panhandling, selling drugs, or robbing innocent people who feed their lazy, freeloading butts. So my sympathy for them is extremely limited.

Now, homeless people in genuine need DO EXIST. In which case, the resources for them are aplenty and not hard to find. There are soup kitchens. There are SNAP, TANF, and Medicaid. There are bleeding-heart liberal churches that let them sleep in the pews at night. There are rescue missions. There are food banks. There are job placement programs. If a homeless person WANTS TO get better, the opportunities ARE THERE. But many choose not to take them. In which case, they and they alone are to blame!

In a nutshell, if you're healthy enough to smash storefronts, set cars on fire, and rob productive workers who pay for your food and housing---with Cacala Harris covering your bail and lawyer fees---then you're strong enough to work! :evil:


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10 Jan 2022, 8:59 pm

Aspie1 wrote:
thinkinginpictures wrote:
This is the kind of attitude and wrongful accusations that cause me to hate conservatism.

People who don't work, don't work for a REASON! Such as poor health.
People who are homeless are homeless for a REASON! Such as having no job - because they have a poor health.
There's a world of difference between "can't work" and "don't want to work". Most of the homeless and the criminals I see and hear about are perfectly healthy men, with strong muscles and a street-smart mind. There's absolutely no reason they can't get a job loading Amazon trucks, or stocking Walmart shelves, or mowing boulevard medians. But they know all too well they can make more money from panhandling, selling drugs, or robbing innocent people who feed their lazy, freeloading butts. So my sympathy for them is extremely limited.

Now, homeless people in genuine need DO EXIST. In which case, the resources for them are aplenty and not hard to find. There are soup kitchens. There are SNAP, TANF, and Medicaid. There are bleeding-heart liberal churches that let them sleep in the pews at night. There are rescue missions. There are food banks. There are job placement programs. If a homeless person WANTS TO get better, the opportunities ARE THERE. But many choose not to take them. In which case, they and they alone are to blame!

In a nutshell, if you're healthy enough to smash storefronts, set cars on fire, and rob productive workers who pay for your food and housing---with Cacala Harris covering your bail and lawyer fees---then you're strong enough to work! :evil:


It's exactly that attitude, sir, that will hold the door open for a right wing dictatorship. It's the demonization of the have-nots, including blaming them for all your problems, that feeds the resentment the authoritarian right lives on and gathers members.


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