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24 Jan 2022, 1:38 am

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It's easy money to bet she won't get reelected after betraying her constituency's political ideals. Broadcasting that she's bisexual can only take her so far when compared to her voting record.
The idea that she thinks she can run for President shows she's possibly delusional.

both her and manchin will go GOP sometime.


I think they'll take Manchin, but I think the GOP is too prejudiced to accept an openly bisexual woman.


They wouldn't accept a straight woman either--look at how they treated Hillary Clinton.

On the other hand, they had no problem with Milo Yannopolis, who was gay.


Well, until they were done using him. Then they tossed him away. As I understand it, he is now claiming to be "cured" of his homosexuality.


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24 Jan 2022, 1:41 am

^^^

In fact, here's something about it:

https://www.thedailybeast.com/milo-yian ... on-therapy


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24 Jan 2022, 3:10 am

well IMHO he is a psychopathic gay person, anybody that'd wear a marie antoinette-esque t-shirt emblazoned with "STOP BEING POOR!" is a fkkking psycho in my book.



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24 Jan 2022, 3:59 am

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well IMHO he is a psychopathic gay person, anybody that'd wear a marie antoinette-esque t-shirt emblazoned with "STOP BEING POOR!" is a fkkking psycho in my book.


Therein lies the evil at the heart of the conservative ideology.


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24 Jan 2022, 4:40 am

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I think they'll take Manchin, but I think the GOP is too prejudiced to accept an openly bisexual woman.


Lol, they'd take her in a heartbeat if they thought she'd win elections for them, this isn't the 90s anymore.


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24 Jan 2022, 4:53 am

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It's easy money to bet she won't get reelected after betraying her constituency's political ideals.


Who do you think her constituency is? Ever been to Arizona? It's a red state that's leaning a little purple, she's not playing for an exclusively Democratic audience and certainly not a progressive one, she has to win state wide and she's going for both sides of the aisle. A progressive would get annihilated there in a general election, so you can't run to her left without fatally wounding yourself for the general, and you still have the threat of her running as an independent and winning at best, spoiling at worst, so she's still fairly secure. Besides which, that election isn't until 2024, a lot can happen between now and then.

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The idea that she thinks she can run for President shows she's possibly delusional.


Is she? Who are the Democrats going to run in 2024? Biden is ancient and just got a year one report card worse than Trumps, while Harris is somehow even less popular, whereas the GOP has a whole bench of contenders ready to go, assuming Donald himself isn't the nominee. Who else do they have?


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24 Jan 2022, 4:54 am

“Given the choice between a Republican and someone who acts like a Republican, people will vote for the real Republican all the time.” — Harry S. Truman.



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24 Jan 2022, 5:02 am

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I think they'll take Manchin, but I think the GOP is too prejudiced to accept an openly bisexual woman.


Lol, they'd take her in a heartbeat if they thought she'd win elections for them, this isn't the 90s anymore.


Not if they want to suck up to the religious right - - which they still do.


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24 Jan 2022, 5:11 am

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It's easy money to bet she won't get reelected after betraying her constituency's political ideals.


Who do you think her constituency is? Ever been to Arizona? It's a red state that's leaning a little purple, she's not playing for an exclusively Democratic audience and certainly not a progressive one, she has to win state wide and she's going for both sides of the aisle. A progressive would get annihilated there in a general election, so you can't run to her left without fatally wounding yourself for the general, and you still have the threat of her running as an independent and winning at best, spoiling at worst, so she's still fairly secure. Besides which, that election isn't until 2024, a lot can happen between now and then.

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The idea that she thinks she can run for President shows she's possibly delusional.


Is she? Who are the Democrats going to run in 2024? Biden is ancient and just got a year one report card worse than Trumps, while Harris is somehow even less popular, whereas the GOP has a whole bench of contenders ready to go, assuming Donald himself isn't the nominee. Who else do they have?


Sinema had ridden in to victory running as a progressive (as odd as that might seem in her state), so being against voting rights and the infrastructure bill, as well as being opposed to raising taxes on the rich for social spending isn't sitting well with the people who put her into office.
I seriously can't see Democrats supporting her for a Presidential run just for those stances she's taken. There's nothing centrist about supporting voter suppression, and she should know that.


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24 Jan 2022, 5:13 am

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Not if they want to suck up to the religious right - - which they still do.


The religious right doesn't care, they've lost that battle and they know it. Trans might be a harder sell, but it would also be a hard sell to the Democrats, particularly in minority districts.


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24 Jan 2022, 5:18 am

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Not if they want to suck up to the religious right - - which they still do.


The religious right doesn't care, they've lost that battle and they know it. Trans might be a harder sell, but it would also be a hard sell to the Democrats, particularly in minority districts.


I think you're giving those dead enders too much credit for knowing that they've lost.


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24 Jan 2022, 5:24 am

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Sinema had ridden in to victory running as a progressive (as odd as that might seem in her state), so being against voting rights and the infrastructure bill, as well as being opposed to raising taxes on the rich for social spending isn't sitting well with the people who put her into office.
I seriously can't see Democrats supporting her for a Presidential run just for those stances she's taken. There's nothing centrist about supporting voter suppression, and she should know that.


I don't think you realize that none of that is important vs winning, if they think she's their best chance to win, they'll run her and forgive all of her heresies, it's how this works. Do you seriously think that if 2024 rolls around and the choice is between Trump 2.0 and Kyrsten Sinema, Democrats are going to say "you know what, we just can't give her our votes after what she did in 2021-22, we're staying home"? Would you?

More currently, do you really not see the danger in screwing with the filibuster with your party poised for an electoral shellacking of historic proportions? That whatever they passed without the 60 vote threshold, the GOP would simply roll back in 2024, and then take their revenge? McConnell famously warned Harry Reid in 2013 that he would regret eliminating the judicial filibuster, and sooner than he expected, and then went on to fulfill that promise with a vengeance, and he's making the same promise again with the legislative filibuster. Like I said, this is like putting a loaded gun to your own head and hoping the other guy doesn't pull the trigger, when the other guy has a long history of trigger pulling that should make you very nervous.


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24 Jan 2022, 5:36 am

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I think you're giving those dead enders too much credit for knowing that they've lost.


Remind me, which one of us actually is right wing enough to know real right wing people and their politics?

There is exactly one qualification for being accepted on the right in 2022, and that is making fun of liberals; hating them is optional and not uncommon, but mocking them is the key to the kingdom. They'd probably warm up to Obama if he wore a Let's Go Brandon! shirt in public, which would also be hilarious.


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24 Jan 2022, 6:08 am

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Sinema had ridden in to victory running as a progressive (as odd as that might seem in her state), so being against voting rights and the infrastructure bill, as well as being opposed to raising taxes on the rich for social spending isn't sitting well with the people who put her into office.
I seriously can't see Democrats supporting her for a Presidential run just for those stances she's taken. There's nothing centrist about supporting voter suppression, and she should know that.


I don't think you realize that none of that is important vs winning, if they think she's their best chance to win, they'll run her and forgive all of her heresies, it's how this works. Do you seriously think that if 2024 rolls around and the choice is between Trump 2.0 and Kyrsten Sinema, Democrats are going to say "you know what, we just can't give her our votes after what she did in 2021-22, we're staying home"? Would you?

More currently, do you really not see the danger in screwing with the filibuster with your party poised for an electoral shellacking of historic proportions? That whatever they passed without the 60 vote threshold, the GOP would simply roll back in 2024, and then take their revenge? McConnell famously warned Harry Reid in 2013 that he would regret eliminating the judicial filibuster, and sooner than he expected, and then went on to fulfill that promise with a vengeance, and he's making the same promise again with the legislative filibuster. Like I said, this is like putting a loaded gun to your own head and hoping the other guy doesn't pull the trigger, when the other guy has a long history of trigger pulling that should make you very nervous.


Sinema aint gonna get anywhere near the Democratic nomination in order to run against Trump. And it's precisely her stances she's been taking that have sealed her fate.


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24 Jan 2022, 1:04 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
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Sinema had ridden in to victory running as a progressive (as odd as that might seem in her state), so being against voting rights and the infrastructure bill, as well as being opposed to raising taxes on the rich for social spending isn't sitting well with the people who put her into office.
I seriously can't see Democrats supporting her for a Presidential run just for those stances she's taken. There's nothing centrist about supporting voter suppression, and she should know that.


I don't think you realize that none of that is important vs winning, if they think she's their best chance to win, they'll run her and forgive all of her heresies, it's how this works. Do you seriously think that if 2024 rolls around and the choice is between Trump 2.0 and Kyrsten Sinema, Democrats are going to say "you know what, we just can't give her our votes after what she did in 2021-22, we're staying home"? Would you?

More currently, do you really not see the danger in screwing with the filibuster with your party poised for an electoral shellacking of historic proportions? That whatever they passed without the 60 vote threshold, the GOP would simply roll back in 2024, and then take their revenge? McConnell famously warned Harry Reid in 2013 that he would regret eliminating the judicial filibuster, and sooner than he expected, and then went on to fulfill that promise with a vengeance, and he's making the same promise again with the legislative filibuster. Like I said, this is like putting a loaded gun to your own head and hoping the other guy doesn't pull the trigger, when the other guy has a long history of trigger pulling that should make you very nervous.


Sinema aint gonna get anywhere near the Democratic nomination in order to run against Trump. And it's precisely her stances she's been taking that have sealed her fate.


Who do you think will get the nom for the Dems? I think it will be Biden or Harris, but I would like to see Inslee or Klobuchar make another run.

As for the GOP, it remains to be seen. I hope it’s Liz Cheney, Adam Kinzinger or Larry Hogan.


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24 Jan 2022, 2:02 pm

For all the claims that she's likely to be embraced by right-wing voters, that doesn't seem too likely. Have they embraced any other DINOs, or would most DINOs be considered RINOs if they became Republicans?

She isn't liked by lefty voters, she isn't likely by right-wing voters and it doesn't seem like centrists like or respect her either; she has no base of loyal supporters. If she thinks she has better than a snowball's chance in hell at ever becoming president she needs to talk to some mental health experts.


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