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01 Aug 2007, 2:06 am

If anybody is familiar with various eclectic gaels-germanic-pagan beliefs, please tell me if this makes sense:
Jesus is the God reincarnate that was born of the Goddess after the darkness (winter months) to bring back the light (spring).

So.... a prophecy/tradition about the winter months.

Now Jesus goes about and does his thing. He tries to make a point and becomes a human sacrifice is addition to the points he tries to make.
Human sacrifice. Again, winter tradition. The God dies and is strung up on the yule tree (or in this case, bits of wood nailed together), then is reborn.

Okay, so a germanic/gaelic winter tradition comes true. Yay!

So that makes sense to me. Go Jesus, but don't get militant. The point of Jesus was to say, "Hey, okay, so all that crazy Bible s**t doesn't matter anymore. Just try to be a good person and stop being bastards so everybody can live a good life." because he hung out with everybody from the fags to the negros to the lepers and so on. Go Jesus, the cool kid in school.

Now let's move on to creation. Gonna take a bit of a hermetic approach to this.

Everything in the universe is subject to a law. There's gravity, motion, inertia, friction, temperature, blah blah blah.
If there are strict laws in this universe, that means EVERYTHING must abide by them, including the Gods. If there are very explicit rules laid down about how the universe functions, then nothing can break them, because if they're broken, who is to say I can't break them?

Okay, so now we've established that (the) God(s) is/are subject to inertia, gravity, physics, and so on.

There is also the law of gender. Not boy/girl penis/vagina and so on, but the male that provides the seed of inspiration to be nursed and mothered into creation by the female. You may experience this in a musical partnership, in artwork, etc. Something/someone provides ideas for your work that you foster into art, or perhaps you are the one that provides inspiration for a spouse/friend, etc. My spouse is the masculine for my music. My spouse provides me with a lot of different musical ideas, music samples, short compositions, and so on that I turn into full pieces of music.

Now we have defined gender and established that the creative force in the universe is either a separate male and female (God and Goddess), or that the creative force is both of these things.

The creating force, through the laws of this universe (physics, etc.), created life, the universe, and everything.

Now we bring Darwinism into play.

Who is to say that evolution is not simply the divine enacting its creative force on this universe while abiding by its laws?

So, my final point is this: Evolution (the primordial soup idea of creation) is how God (or whatever you call the divine force) created man (homo sapien sapien).

Evolution is how God created man.

Okay, so now that I've said everything, my question is this:

Does my final point make any sense at all?

Moreover, do any of the points I've made make any sense?



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01 Aug 2007, 2:58 am

dunno about germanic stuff...

but if you belirvr in this stuff, i hope you can ammend evolution to it :)


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01 Aug 2007, 3:01 am

Sedaka wrote:
dunno about germanic stuff...

but if you belirvr in this stuff, i hope you can ammend evolution to it :)


I may be misunderstanding you, but that was my point. I believe in the "theory" of evolution, and my thoughts have carried me to the conclusion that God created man by means of Evolution.



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01 Aug 2007, 3:08 am

lindarthebard wrote:
Sedaka wrote:
dunno about germanic stuff...

but if you belirvr in this stuff, i hope you can ammend evolution to it :)


I may be misunderstanding you, but that was my point. I believe in the "theory" of evolution, and my thoughts have carried me to the conclusion that God created man by means of Evolution.


yeah, that's what i mean. im glad you can embrace both.

sorry for confusion


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01 Aug 2007, 3:21 am

Well, I like to have some sort of reason or logic behind my faith. I believe in magic, prayer, personal and divine power, blah blah blah.... but just like science, it's a law of the universe that must be explored and documented. That aside, rather than saying that my magical unisex deity that leans towards being a large fat white-bearded man in a robe arose from the absence of nothing and farted some dust that he turned into the exact image of what we are right now, I thought I would say, "Well, maybe we're both right."

I never saw a reason for theology and science to fight about the origins of man.


I'm eager to hear from somebody that either has something more to add to why they think I'm correct, or why they think I'm wrong.



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01 Aug 2007, 4:43 am

Your creation mythology is nothing more then the stuff I've seen from so many others with a minor makeover. You just want the Dark Ages to rag on so your deity stays almighty and doesn't get confined to small margins (gods live only where science has not yet gone)When we find more answers you'll just retreat and rewrite your story. I find the fact you try and use logic to justify faith disgusting - there is no such thing as logic to faith. Just as there is no such thing as a cubic sphere.


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01 Aug 2007, 5:40 am

Good show!

Actually my 'deity' is a generalised concept of the creative force of the universe. I would consider "my" God and the Christian/Muslim/Hindu/Shinto/Hebrew one to be the same thing.

Essentially I'm saying that I believe in Darwinism/evolution, I'm just saying there's a bit more behind it.

I appreciate you having an opposing view. I was wondering what the opposing view would be, and I found it quite amusing.

Are you being anti-theistic just for arbitration's sake, for humour's sake, or are you being serious?



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01 Aug 2007, 5:50 am

lindarthebard wrote:
Does my final point make any sense at all?

Moreover, do any of the points I've made make any sense?


Yes, I agree fully. Science and religon are not at war: only in the minds of those that actively seek conflict is that the case.

Flagg wrote:
Your creation mythology is nothing more then the stuff I've seen from so many others with a minor makeover. You just want the Dark Ages to rag on so your deity stays almighty and doesn't get confined to small margins (gods live only where science has not yet gone)When we find more answers you'll just retreat and rewrite your story. I find the fact you try and use logic to justify faith disgusting - there is no such thing as logic to faith. Just as there is no such thing as a cubic sphere.


I find your blind faith in science devoid of meaning disgusting.



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01 Aug 2007, 7:57 pm

I have no faith in science.

I am bit more Robert Antion Wilson then anything.

I am not just agnostic towards all gods but agnostic towards the universe. Everything in it is quite possibly a figment of my imagination - even my own existence.


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01 Aug 2007, 11:10 pm

I agree that the Jesus legend is a variation on the pagan year-cycle, with the god-figure representing the birth and death and rebirth of the crops.

But I don't think that everything in the universe is 100% subject to laws -- Particularly not to laws "administered" by mythical supreme being(s). IMO, chaos also has a role to play in all of this.



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02 Aug 2007, 1:37 am

Astreja wrote:
I agree that the Jesus legend is a variation on the pagan year-cycle, with the god-figure representing the birth and death and rebirth of the crops.

But I don't think that everything in the universe is 100% subject to laws -- Particularly not to laws "administered" by mythical supreme being(s). IMO, chaos also has a role to play in all of this.


In my experience Choas and Entorpy are the dominant forces of the universe.


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