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11 Oct 2022, 8:43 pm

Especially for the Christians on here, what do you think about Satan being allowed to influence and pervert outcomes of scenarios in our world? And also, that God just allows him to have his way for now instead of just destroying him or intervening to prevent him from influencing specific things in the first place? I mean, its one thing when you have something that is destroyed and there is insurance for it or it is repairable, but the bad stuff that Satan influences are irreversible and its too late to remove the damage. I grew up with parents who were Catholic but I started to question since I was a teenager.

I also want to know how Christians have the strength to be able to reconcile this scenario and the sadness and suffering felt from it with a God that is loving. The thing I gather is that God defines himself as good by definition, so he can pretty much act or not act however he wants to us and it doesn't matter how troubling our emotions are about it, our own emotions and our own logic standard don't matter to him.



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12 Oct 2022, 12:53 am

Watch the last season of "The Good Place."

It highlights the need for tension factors in the human existence.

God gave humans free will. He is not responsible for the evils in the world simply because he does not stop them. I do, however, believe that prayer can mitigate them.

And then there is the whole big picture thing, where we don't always realize that what seems good is actually bad, and vice-a-versa. And so on.


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12 Oct 2022, 10:49 am



"Chicago-area prodigy Akiane Kramarik made a name for herself
in the art world at just 8 years old when her painting of Jesus launched her career;"

However, She Painted the Green Eyed Kenny Loggins Version of Jesus Who Never Existed in 'Real Life.'

In Fact, It's an Artistic Tradition of Artists Painting Jesus to Mirror What The Artists Look Like.

Leonardo Da Vinci Was Reported to Wear His Hair Eccentrically Long in His Day Where
That Was Against the Tradition of Male Hair Styles Same as Long Hair for Males
Was Considered A Travesty for Males in the So-Called Days of Jesus Even

As Reported in the Bible; However, That Didn't Stop the 'Last Supper'

From Having A Jesus With Long Hair and European Fair Skin
Like Michelangelo Either; So, What Does this Have to Do with

"What Do You Think About Satan Being Allowed to Influence?"

Well, First oF ALL, iT's Worth Noting That Satan is Mostly Described

As Adversary in Many Parts of the Bible and by Jewish Tradition
More of An Accuser; The Horned Beast With A Tail is Generated By

Artists 'Liberally' Using Their Talents Using Pre-Recorded So-Called

'Pagan' Traditions Well Before Christianity that Depicted A Horned Tailed Beast That Way;

True, Humans in Their Rise to Apex Creature Only Through the Use of Tools Co-Created Were

Digested By More Than One Beast Before We Conquered Our "Superior's" ThiS Way With Tools We Co-Create.

And Of Course Those Tools Include Words; Those Tools Include ARTiFacts We Still Create in Ways of

Elevating Life and Death As Severe As Fears Of Nuclear Holocaust; Speaking of that i Had A Dream

of Darkness Last Night About Holocaust; And i only Woke Up Out of that Darkness God Yes Appreciating

Every Gift of This Existence Even More Real; Namely Love The Most As True i Lost the Ability of Feeling

That And Even the Feeling if i Ever Smiled in A Real Hell Within for 66 Months; And Speaking

Of Heaven (The Living Party or After Death Party) That Depends on Who is Doing the Sermon

or Homily At Church on Sunday or Whoever the Next Person You Chat With in the Pew Next to

You Has a Unique And at Least Slightly Different View too; As True in The Catholic Church i am

Raised in Before And Now Study as An Anthropology Participant Observer As Truly We

All Do Life This Way Day-to-Day As Life is Always A Changing Subject to Study Every

Breath This Way; Anyway, i Visit That Church Every Weekend And Yes Study it and

Take Detailed Free Verse Poetic Notes For the Last 109 Months; Currently, We Have A

Very Literal Thinking Head Priest From my Hometown Directing the Parish and A Haitian Very

Verily Metaphorically Thinking Priest Who Is Afforded only A Few Homilies to Bring likely Because

of His Thick Accent And Difficulty Some Folks Have Understanding Him And That's Not Really Surprising

As His View of Heaven is the Kingdom of God Within As Propagated By Luke 17:21 as Not 'Lo Over There'

Yet Within New Only Eternally Now to Seek and Find For Real; It's Easy to Feel and Sense A Mystical Experience

The Haitian Priest Ascends and Transcends the Ego Word Chatter Part of the Mind As He Presents A Celebration

of Mass; Indeed He Becomes An Essence of Deep Biblical Metaphors of Parables that Describe the Story of Jesus; As

Of Course That is A Cross-Cultural Experience that No One Religion or One Human Owns in Either Tradition Or Cover

Bound Book;

On The Other Hand,
The Literal Thinking
More Left Hemisphere Mind
Restricted Head Priest Literally

Believes the Stories of the Bible Actually

Happened and Has Much Difficulty it Seems

Understanding the Essence of the Mythological

Stories That Are Only Vehicles and Vessels of Metaphors

in Form That House Potential Much Deeper Mystical Meanings

Of Integration of DarK And LiGHT to Gain A Universal Faith of Love For All That Exists New Now

Where We Do the Verb of God is Love Creating This Reality of Co-Creation That Becomes Ours

Inhaling Peace Exhaling LoVE iN JoY oF LiGHT For ALL With Least Harm Giving Sharing Yes

Caring Healing ThiS Way

Where Love the Enemy

Means Love the Dark

Love The Night

Where Our Blindness

Allows Us to See Deeper

Within Than Organs of Eyes

And Ears Ever See and Hear Alone;

Indeed, Marry the Night Merry the Day

As Night Becomes Day And DarK Becomes LiGHT;

Love The Adversary of DarK Becomes LiGHT As Dear

Lord You Don't Have to Read A Bible to 'See' 'God' Within

Just Embrace the DarK NoW and Understand WHeRE LiGHT Comes From Newly Now;

Yes, True, Ironically It's Our Ego Our Word Thinking Mind That Believes it Must

Constrain Wind in A Jar And Control it Taking The Freedom of Spirit Away

in A Restricted Prison as Small as an 800,000 Word or So Cover Bound Book

That Insists it has the Last Word of 'God' No Different than the Quran And Other

Ego Based Religions that Makes God a Toxic Patriarchal 'He' Without Art For HeART

Without ART For 'sm'ART That Basically Brings A 'Sado-Masochistic' Flavored Religion

That Ironically Also So Much Reflects the Old Testament God; Yuck, 'the Color of Orange' in

Metaphor of Every Demagogue With Selfish Ego and Little Empathy And Compassion Relating

Joy May Be Found in Dashing the Little Children's Heads of Opposing Adversarial Tribes With Stones

Stone
Cold
Dead;

True On the Other NT Versus

OT Hand, They (We) LEarn How

to Marry the Night; Yes, Merry

The Day And Love the Enemy

Realizing that 'Satan' Creates God

As Much As 'Jesus' Does As DarK Will Become LiGHT As Adversaries SPRinG NeW

Dreams iN LiGHT iN FRUiTioN THiS WaY Indeed When We Learn to Actually Marry the Night

and Merry The Day Integrating Our Shadows With Our LiGHT As Without Shadow There is no Us

Without LiGHT There is No Us Without Sunshine There is No Us at Best Like The

Sun We Shine

On All The
DarK And LiGHT

Lest We Become
'Satan' Separated From LiGHT...

Yet You See i am Yet only One

View in the Wilderness of Human

Beings; Only One Set of EYes of God

in A Pew of Life Just Like All The Rest

And The Reason(S) Artists Portray Jesus in their

Own Likeness The Way they Do is the Same Reason

Most Every Person in Every Pew of All 45,000+ Global Christian Denominations

That and Who Paint Jesus And God And Love And Satan And All That Exists At

Least A Bit Different Depending on Who We Relate These Differences with Next...

So In Other WORDS,

if Jesus Returns

It's Gonna Have to Be

'You' As You Are Likely Gonna
Be The Only One Who is Gonna

Completely Agree of Who Jesus is And
The Same Applies to God And Satan And Love too

And Most Every Other Metaphor Humans Create
Solo And ToGeTHeR too as Basically All of Life

Is A 'Rorschach Test'

That as Neuroscience
Even Shows We Basically
Create as An Hallucination

of Existence Based on Hallucinations Before

That Only Approximate What Reality is Within

As Our Minds Continue to Co-Create Reality ThiS Way...

Truly Good News is We Have the Ability to Do A God of
Love For All With

Least Harm...

That's Naked
Enough Whole
Complete Enough for me

at least...

And on the Other Hand
my Metaphorical Thinking
More Right Hemisphere Focused
FRiEnDS uNDeRSTaND EVery Word

i Just Wrote; And Those Who Are
Most Restricted to A Literal More
Left Hemisphere Controlling Black

And White Mind May Understand Almost

Nothing of What i Wrote Before Here; Yet You See

DarK Makes LiGHT, Understanding This Requirement

of the Precipice of Hell and Heaven For the Most Potential

of Creativity There is Rarely A Day i Do Not Marry The Night and Merry The Day ThiS Way

We Need Anchors And Sails in Life; It's True It's The Tension Between DarK And LiGHT

That Makes

Creation

Possible at
All; Even According

to Atheist Scientists

Who Believe Everything LiGHT

Comes From Nothing DarK As
Even William Shatner Admitted

His Trip Out in the BLack of Space

Was His Greatest Grief in Not Previously More Fully Loving

"The Overview Effect" in Big Picture Right Hemisphere Ways

Appreciating This Real so Very Rare HeaveN ON EartH New Now;

Meanwhile, Elon Musk Wants to Colonize Mars What A 'Fool' And

'Tool' That Man is in Ignorance of Not Understanding The ONLY
REAL FULL Value Down Here As We aRe Only Birthed By
ThiS ONE EartH Only Sharing 'The Generalities' of the

Rest of Existence 'Up There' in The DarK With So
Many Hot And Cold Rocks;

i've Been to the

Void Within; Yes,

i've 'Danced With
The Devil in the
Pale Moonlight'

Like Shatner
Finally Really
Did too Yes

i Married that
Void And Now

The Night is Day So MerrY iN DeeD

As i Dance And Sing As The Wind Free SPiRiTinG HeaRT
SoUL Always New CoLoRinG NoW Never Trapped in Someone

Else's Pre-Made Jar...

iN A Word
AS Small
aS ONly
3 LetterS iNDeeD

iN True False Idol Worship That Way...

Again in Only my View And What THiS Truly
Means is While We aRE All Children of God We

aRe ALso All Only Children of God Too With Different Views

More Than Likely THiS iS WaY God Explodes Now And Then

Being
The
SaMe
With No
Change Truly 'Blows'...

And Is Very Lonely in Hell For Real...

True Been There And Already Did 'AGHOGDAY'

Just An Acronym For "Another Ground Hog Day"

in Billy

Murray
Style Forever
Now Yet Then in Hell...

Meh, Life iS A VEry BesTesT
Teacher And Bible For Real...

my Other MoraL oF A STory HeaR
is Don't Eat A Plate Full Of Mexican
Restaurant Left-Overs With A Ton of Salsa
Before You Go to Bed, if You Don't Wanna Have

Nuclear
Holocaust
Nightmares;

'God' Help Us;
Hope it Wasn't
Another God Damned
DarK Prophecy Dream STiLL
to Come True iN FRUiTioN;

True, The Odds of that Happening
Are not Nearly As Remote Now...

And Basically

That's What REAL Prophecies

Are aS Our Thinking Minds Real

Constitute About Half A Percent

of All of Who We Are according to

Science in the Deeper Parts Indeed We
Calculate Much
Larger

Pictures

to Both
Rise and Fall For Real;
Sort of Like Knowing You
Must Get Up at 6 AM And Without An Alarm Clock
And in the Total DarK of MinD Arriving Awake 'Right

On TiMe'...

As Once
Again Predictably
Night Generates Day..:)

Other Than That Most Any Northern
European In Origin Dude With A Beard
Might Pass For an

Illustration
Of Modern Jesus
Hehe Even me
Wearing A Beard
At Age 22 At the
Head of A Picture
of A Bay Bridge Race of Life Then too
Yet That Was 77 Pounds Ago at 170 Pounds And i No Longer
Nearly Look As Much Like 'A Slender Woman With A Beard' Hehe
And True THere is Not Nearly As Much Left of my Hair HAha; And Yes,

Here's Another 'Thing' About 'Sacred Text;' Humor is Mostly Generated
By the Right Hemisphere Parts of Our Mind According to Stellar
Scholar Iain McGilchrist And Other Modern Researchers too;

If You

Find Sacred Text
Without Humor

It May Be
Missing

Almost

Half of 'God Mind' Within;

And Other Than That i Can And Do
Make A 'Devil Face' That Would Verily
Scare 'Jack Nicholson' 'Dancing in the Pale Moonlight;'

It's Too Close to Halloween; i Don't wanna Scare Anyone Yet, HeaR..;)

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12 Oct 2022, 11:43 am

it depends which situation you are talking about.



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12 Oct 2022, 1:03 pm

Well for starters I tend to prefer evidence-based ideas about the nature of the world ahead of faith-based ideas. But I appreciate that you were asking within a Christian context.

I think the problem of evil makes it difficult to seriously entertain an omnipotent, omnibenevolent God. If a deity exists, it is either not all-loving, or not all-powerful.

I don't think God continuing to allow the Devil's existence is any more problematic than allowing, say, Josef Stalin's existence. Or, for that matter, the existence of literally any creature that is liable to hurt another.



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12 Oct 2022, 8:32 pm

I've said it once, and I'll say it again. God will always be more 'evil' than Satan in my opinion.

Christians used to burn people alive just for not belonging to their religion or for being suspected of witchcraft. I could go on forever about the cruel things God's worshippers have been doing for centuries but why bother when I know it always falls on deaf ears...



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13 Oct 2022, 2:39 am

It appears satanists are atheists who believe there is mysterious supernatural powers operating in the universe.

So a satanist will say there is no god no devil no commandments from higher up do what you like and f**k everyone else, to put it simply.

I should imagine a satanist world would be very unpleasant especially for many of us disabled people that rely on the good will of society.

It appears to be unofficially the fastest growing religion given what I said above. I suspect many elite figures have a satanist approach to life.

Didn’t they say the greatest trick the devil pulled was making people think he didn’t exist?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_of_Satan


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13 Oct 2022, 7:03 am

The only proof of satan existing that i can think of is the mark of the beast.
in the bible it says that people will need a mark on their hand or forehead to buy or sell.

we already have contactless and if someone had a barcode tattooed on them they could use it to buy & sell, or if they had an implantable microchip.
So if that starts to become a reality you know the devil is real.



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13 Oct 2022, 7:21 am

The term I think they're reaching for is 'Darwinian evolution', or ripping that down to it's constituent incentives and actions they're talking about the landscape of what are referred to as 'multipolar traps'.

Multipolar traps, 'Moloch', that pretty much covers it for me. There could be transpersonal parasites doing damage as well but they're just further utilization of the same principles.


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13 Oct 2022, 7:22 am

if you are going to follow christianity at least look at it through the lens of the gnostics.

To the initiated, the nature of christ, the holy spirit, satan and god the father is within us all. They are just manifestations of our own nature. To understand the allegories in the bible takes your mind to some place of understanding and makes you a gnostic initiate (basically able to say you have gnosis or knowledge)

The satanic nature of humans is allowed to blossom, it is happening now, it has happened before and it will happen again.



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13 Oct 2022, 7:44 am

cyberdad wrote:
if you are going to follow christianity at least look at it through the lens of the gnostics.

To the initiated, the nature of christ, the holy spirit, satan and god the father is within us all. They are just manifestations of our own nature. To understand the allegories in the bible takes your mind to some place of understanding and makes you a gnostic initiate (basically able to say you have gnosis or knowledge)

The satanic nature of humans is allowed to blossom, it is happening now, it has happened before and it will happen again.


But then you say Jesus going on the cross is just an allegory...so then you dont believe
believing is all you have to do to get salvation.



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13 Oct 2022, 12:18 pm



A Free Spiriting Winging Visitor
Coming to my Sister's Home Deep
in A Forest And Real Garden of Eden

Next Door Yes Returning Now For 4 Years
to Spend October Through April Reliably Within
A Few Days of Return And Exit in A Life Span on

Average of 5 to 6 Years As She Also Reliably Feeds
The Hermit Thrush Bird She Names Herman Every Single
Day A Diet or Raisins Through The Course of Herman's Entire

6 Month Staycation At Her Home Again Deep in The Forest Next
Door to Our Real Garden of Eden too As Amazingly the Hermit Thrush

Travels Thousands of Miles to Return to the Same Home Each Year For
Four Years Now And What i Find So Sad Is Humans Who Believe They Must

Have Some Kind of Instruction and Lesson Book to Find 'God' When Yes That
Same Book Once Again As i've Already Clearly Identified Says The Only Place One

Will Find the Kingdom of God And Heaven is By Seeking And Finding This Real Place Within

And No WHere

Else Yet the

Temple of Our
Body that Truly
Houses This Free
SPiRiTiNG Innate
Instinctual Intuitive

Way of Inhaling Peace
Exhaling Love At Best Giving
Sharing Caring Healing For All

With Least Harm iN JoY oF LiGHT

Where Life Becomes A Staycation of Love

Real After All is Dancing And Singing God Is Love THiS Way For

Real This Greatest Force of Breath We Deliver to Others Free Truly

Yet Like the Story of Buddha Suggests Don't Bow to 'me' Don't Worship

'me' Rise Up Find God Within Yourself Like the Story of Jesus Per Luke 17:21 Relates

too and Don't Let Works of Jesus or Buddha or Lao Tzu Be Enough Like John 14:12 Dances

Sings Do Greater Works of LoVE iN Peace Than Jesus, Buddha, And Lao Tzu in Balancing Force of

Peaceful FLoWinG LoVE

And Wings

Will Be Yours
of Love to Fly Freer Higher

FRiEnDS With Gravity Indeed

Same Way Herman Does Life too

He finds His Way to A Home of Love
That Feeds Him Free Every Year Without

A Single Word of A Book To Find Nature of 'God' For Real...

Meanwhile Many So Called Christians Have a Book And a Revelation

That Describes an Adversary That Reflects The New Christian 'Mr. T'
Yes to A 'T' INdeed All 'Orange Flavored' And Sick When it Comes to

Anything Related
to Empathy,
Compassion,
And Love, And Truly
A Father oF All Lies For Real

And More Than Likely This Is Why Jesus in A Desert
Sought Out God Within To Become FRiEnDS
With the Adversary Shadow Within True too

Per Story at Least as Basically When Folks Try

To Fit the Nature of God that is the God of Nature

in A Book Those Abstract Constructs Inevitably

Are Twisted as Metaphors for the Next

Demagogue to Rule the 'Masses'

Who Have Become Verily Too
Ignorant By 'Pills of Books'

To Find Real God Within Nature

Naked Enough Whole Complete

Like Herman the Hermit Thrush of Course...

Salvation according to the Christian Religion
Means Being Saved From Missing the Mark
in Sin and Death Yet You See for Those Who

Have Truly Witnessed Enough Suffering in Life
Or Endured it Themselves They Understand The True

Blessing of Life And The Sacrament of Mercy Death Truly Is As

Much of A Gift
As Birth is For Life

So Meanwhile Folks Look to
Heaven in A Dirt Nap And Sadly

In So Many Cases Are Deterred From

Ever Truly Living in Peace And LoVE iN THiS LiFE

As They Separate Themselves From Nature Their Nature
And The Nature of Peace and Love of Others Globally True

As They Attempt to Own
Love in One God And One
Man And One Word Alone

And they Tend to Forget
That God is A Four Letter Word

For All With No Exceptions Free

As A Wing on A Bird Without A God Damned
Word Spirit of Love With Wings More Than Enough to Free...

A Worst Kind of Hell is the One That An Adversary Brings to
Subjugate Control And Master the Freedoms of Others in A World's Biggest

Lie That

the Kingdom
of Heaven and
And God is Anywhere
Else True Yet Newly Now Within our
Temples of God Nature With Wings or Not...

A Real God May Be Identified As Love As Long As It is Not A False God Indeed...



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14 Oct 2022, 7:33 am

carlos55 wrote:
It appears satanists are atheists who believe there is mysterious supernatural powers operating in the universe.

So a satanist will say there is no god no devil no commandments from higher up do what you like and f**k everyone else, to put it simply.

I should imagine a satanist world would be very unpleasant especially for many of us disabled people that rely on the good will of society.

It appears to be unofficially the fastest growing religion given what I said above. I suspect many elite figures have a satanist approach to life.

Didn’t they say the greatest trick the devil pulled was making people think he didn’t exist?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_of_Satan

I know you’re deliberately simplifying but I want to pick up on a few things.

Firstly, Satanists don’t believe in supernatural forces. Satan is understood as a metaphor for natural processes like entropy and instinct.

Secondly, Satanists are not avaritionists who advocate for living a life of pure self-indulgence and self-preservation. They advocate for kindness to the kind and help for those who deserve it. I feel that’s unduly cynical (who can tell who “deserves” help?) but it’s a long way from “I’ve got mine”.



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14 Oct 2022, 11:37 am

We're a free country, they can do what they want.



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14 Oct 2022, 12:02 pm

carlos55 wrote:
It appears satanists are atheists who believe there is mysterious supernatural powers operating in the universe.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_of_Satan

You've described the Church of Satan's belief system. There are other kinds of Satanism too. See, for example, the Wikipedia article on Satanism.

These days the most energetic form of Satanism seems to be the Satanic Temple, which also is atheistic but otherwise has a very different worldview from the Church of Satan.


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14 Oct 2022, 12:17 pm

I do not like that idea at all. That idea scares the living daylights out of me. I'd rather that Jesus be the influence of the world.


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