25 Jan 2023, 8:59 am
25 Jan 2023, 12:31 pm
25 Jan 2023, 3:27 pm
funeralxempire wrote:
kitesandtrainsandcats wrote:
Played in search engines looking for written content about the thing and while doing that, found,
Transgender Issues
Is Three Too Young for Children to Know They're a Different Gender? Transgender Researchers Disagree
07:03
Jon Brooks
Aug 26, 2018
https://www.kqed.org/futureofyou/440851 ... ransgender
Hmm,
Another hmm,
Here's more about the UCSF professor named in 2nd quote,
https://www.ucsfbenioffchildrens.org/pr ... -ehrensaft
and
http://dianeehrensaft.com/
I believe the point of the thread isn't to have a thoughtful discussion about this issue, but instead just to cause hysteria.Transgender Issues
Is Three Too Young for Children to Know They're a Different Gender? Transgender Researchers Disagree
07:03
Jon Brooks
Aug 26, 2018
https://www.kqed.org/futureofyou/440851 ... ransgender
Quote:
Many gender clinicians now recommend parents 'socially transition' kids who persistently express a transgender identity.
But research has shown most children will give up their transgender identity by the time they are adolescents.
Not all researchers agree, though, that this research is valid.
But research has shown most children will give up their transgender identity by the time they are adolescents.
Not all researchers agree, though, that this research is valid.
Hmm,
Quote:
How young is too young?
UCSF’s Diane Ehrensaft, one of the leading proponents of socially transitioning transgender children, believes there is no minimum age, really, to pursue such a change.'For all of these interventions, our model is stages not ages,” she said. 'When a child is at the place in their life that they can get themselves in focus, help us see them, and are clear, consistent, and stable in both their representation of themselves, and also can express their desires of how they want to live their gender, that's the age.'We have seen some kids as young as two whose parents are bringing them in because they're beginning to say, ‘Me not boy. Me girl.’ Social transition can happen as soon as a child has language or the ability to communicate to us who they are.'
UCSF’s Diane Ehrensaft, one of the leading proponents of socially transitioning transgender children, believes there is no minimum age, really, to pursue such a change.'For all of these interventions, our model is stages not ages,” she said. 'When a child is at the place in their life that they can get themselves in focus, help us see them, and are clear, consistent, and stable in both their representation of themselves, and also can express their desires of how they want to live their gender, that's the age.'We have seen some kids as young as two whose parents are bringing them in because they're beginning to say, ‘Me not boy. Me girl.’ Social transition can happen as soon as a child has language or the ability to communicate to us who they are.'
Another hmm,
Quote:
Not Just Numbers
When it comes down to it, when we talk about the controversy over socially transitioning young kids, we are talking about risk analysis. Which is more disruptive and potentially harmful: to deny children their genuinely felt gender identity in the present moment, until the adults are absolutely sure it will stick? Or to validate a child’s persistent, consistent and insistent protestations that ‘Hey, someone has made a terrible mistake here,’ even if they eventually decide they no longer feel that way?
Ehrensaft, at least, is clear on the answer:
“Why would we deny for the vast majority of kids something that is basically suicide prevention?”
When it comes down to it, when we talk about the controversy over socially transitioning young kids, we are talking about risk analysis. Which is more disruptive and potentially harmful: to deny children their genuinely felt gender identity in the present moment, until the adults are absolutely sure it will stick? Or to validate a child’s persistent, consistent and insistent protestations that ‘Hey, someone has made a terrible mistake here,’ even if they eventually decide they no longer feel that way?
Ehrensaft, at least, is clear on the answer:
“Why would we deny for the vast majority of kids something that is basically suicide prevention?”
Here's more about the UCSF professor named in 2nd quote,https://www.ucsfbenioffchildrens.org/pr ... -ehrensaft
and
http://dianeehrensaft.com/
Personally, as a parent, I support as much as possible of gender-neutral space for development. I see nothing wrong with boys playing princesses and girls playing soldiers. Childhood is all about exploration.
Children I personally know did not ask for more. If I met one who needed more, I'd try to understand their world.
25 Jan 2023, 5:15 pm
I preferred watching Thomas The Tank Engine rather than princess Disney movies when I was little. But I think I just got into Thomas The Tank Engine because my brother used to watch it a lot, so I caught the craze as well. I didn't really watch it after about the age of 7.
Also I wasn't into horses. All the other girls in my class would all play horses every recess (up until around the age of 7), and I found it boring playing the same imaginary game every day, so I went off and played with boys, because their imaginary games were much more interesting and they didn't play the same games every day.
I've never been into sport though, and PE was one of my worse subject at school. But I liked swimming and running, and was a very active child.
I preferred teddy bears to dolls. I did have some Barbie dolls, but I didn't mother a baby doll, for instance. Instead I mothered teddy bears, especially my favourite teddy bear. I used to push him around in my toy pram, and yes, although he's pink he was always a boy to me, even though I dressed him in dolls dresses. 
I loved getting dirty as a kid. When I reached adolescence I would almost look like a boy, and my mum would often say she had two sons. I did want to be a boy, because I wanted to be able to go around with my shirt off without it being inappropriate. I never wore skirts or dresses (only for school because it was part of the uniform) because it made it difficult to do the things I liked doing, such as climbing trees and riding my bike and engaging in ''rough and tumble'' play.
But knowing half the population are females, I didn't feel insecure or angry about it (like I do autism). I had a half-sister, and plenty of female cousins, and my mum and aunties and grandmothers were all females, plus billions of other people in the world, so I just called myself a tomboy.
26 Jan 2023, 2:52 am
Joe90 wrote:
I preferred watching Thomas The Tank Engine rather than princess Disney movies when I was little. But I think I just got into Thomas The Tank Engine because my brother used to watch it a lot, so I caught the craze as well. I didn't really watch it after about the age of 7.
Also I wasn't into horses. All the other girls in my class would all play horses every recess (up until around the age of 7), and I found it boring playing the same imaginary game every day, so I went off and played with boys, because their imaginary games were much more interesting and they didn't play the same games every day.
I've never been into sport though, and PE was one of my worse subject at school. But I liked swimming and running, and was a very active child.
I preferred teddy bears to dolls. I did have some Barbie dolls, but I didn't mother a baby doll, for instance. Instead I mothered teddy bears, especially my favourite teddy bear. I used to push him around in my toy pram, and yes, although he's pink he was always a boy to me, even though I dressed him in dolls dresses.
I loved getting dirty as a kid. When I reached adolescence I would almost look like a boy, and my mum would often say she had two sons. I did want to be a boy, because I wanted to be able to go around with my shirt off without it being inappropriate. I never wore skirts or dresses (only for school because it was part of the uniform) because it made it difficult to do the things I liked doing, such as climbing trees and riding my bike and engaging in ''rough and tumble'' play.
But knowing half the population are females, I didn't feel insecure or angry about it (like I do autism). I had a half-sister, and plenty of female cousins, and my mum and aunties and grandmothers were all females, plus billions of other people in the world, so I just called myself a tomboy.
Also I wasn't into horses. All the other girls in my class would all play horses every recess (up until around the age of 7), and I found it boring playing the same imaginary game every day, so I went off and played with boys, because their imaginary games were much more interesting and they didn't play the same games every day.
I've never been into sport though, and PE was one of my worse subject at school. But I liked swimming and running, and was a very active child.
I preferred teddy bears to dolls. I did have some Barbie dolls, but I didn't mother a baby doll, for instance. Instead I mothered teddy bears, especially my favourite teddy bear. I used to push him around in my toy pram, and yes, although he's pink he was always a boy to me, even though I dressed him in dolls dresses.
I loved getting dirty as a kid. When I reached adolescence I would almost look like a boy, and my mum would often say she had two sons. I did want to be a boy, because I wanted to be able to go around with my shirt off without it being inappropriate. I never wore skirts or dresses (only for school because it was part of the uniform) because it made it difficult to do the things I liked doing, such as climbing trees and riding my bike and engaging in ''rough and tumble'' play.
But knowing half the population are females, I didn't feel insecure or angry about it (like I do autism). I had a half-sister, and plenty of female cousins, and my mum and aunties and grandmothers were all females, plus billions of other people in the world, so I just called myself a tomboy.
You are lucky you didn't have woke parents. They would have sent you to a "therapist" to "affirm" your male "gender" and later have you in puberty blockers.
26 Jan 2023, 3:07 am
Dengashinobi wrote:
Joe90 wrote:
I preferred watching Thomas The Tank Engine rather than princess Disney movies when I was little. But I think I just got into Thomas The Tank Engine because my brother used to watch it a lot, so I caught the craze as well. I didn't really watch it after about the age of 7.
Also I wasn't into horses. All the other girls in my class would all play horses every recess (up until around the age of 7), and I found it boring playing the same imaginary game every day, so I went off and played with boys, because their imaginary games were much more interesting and they didn't play the same games every day.
I've never been into sport though, and PE was one of my worse subject at school. But I liked swimming and running, and was a very active child.
I preferred teddy bears to dolls. I did have some Barbie dolls, but I didn't mother a baby doll, for instance. Instead I mothered teddy bears, especially my favourite teddy bear. I used to push him around in my toy pram, and yes, although he's pink he was always a boy to me, even though I dressed him in dolls dresses.
I loved getting dirty as a kid. When I reached adolescence I would almost look like a boy, and my mum would often say she had two sons. I did want to be a boy, because I wanted to be able to go around with my shirt off without it being inappropriate. I never wore skirts or dresses (only for school because it was part of the uniform) because it made it difficult to do the things I liked doing, such as climbing trees and riding my bike and engaging in ''rough and tumble'' play.
But knowing half the population are females, I didn't feel insecure or angry about it (like I do autism). I had a half-sister, and plenty of female cousins, and my mum and aunties and grandmothers were all females, plus billions of other people in the world, so I just called myself a tomboy.
Also I wasn't into horses. All the other girls in my class would all play horses every recess (up until around the age of 7), and I found it boring playing the same imaginary game every day, so I went off and played with boys, because their imaginary games were much more interesting and they didn't play the same games every day.
I've never been into sport though, and PE was one of my worse subject at school. But I liked swimming and running, and was a very active child.
I preferred teddy bears to dolls. I did have some Barbie dolls, but I didn't mother a baby doll, for instance. Instead I mothered teddy bears, especially my favourite teddy bear. I used to push him around in my toy pram, and yes, although he's pink he was always a boy to me, even though I dressed him in dolls dresses.
I loved getting dirty as a kid. When I reached adolescence I would almost look like a boy, and my mum would often say she had two sons. I did want to be a boy, because I wanted to be able to go around with my shirt off without it being inappropriate. I never wore skirts or dresses (only for school because it was part of the uniform) because it made it difficult to do the things I liked doing, such as climbing trees and riding my bike and engaging in ''rough and tumble'' play.
But knowing half the population are females, I didn't feel insecure or angry about it (like I do autism). I had a half-sister, and plenty of female cousins, and my mum and aunties and grandmothers were all females, plus billions of other people in the world, so I just called myself a tomboy.
You are lucky you didn't have woke parents. They would have sent you to a "therapist" to "affirm" your male "gender" and later have you in puberty blockers.
Or super conservatist parents who would ban you from watching Thomas the Tank Engine and force you to wear pretty dresses.
It's unhealthy both ways when taken too far.
26 Jan 2023, 3:31 am
magz wrote:
Dengashinobi wrote:
Joe90 wrote:
I preferred watching Thomas The Tank Engine rather than princess Disney movies when I was little. But I think I just got into Thomas The Tank Engine because my brother used to watch it a lot, so I caught the craze as well. I didn't really watch it after about the age of 7.
Also I wasn't into horses. All the other girls in my class would all play horses every recess (up until around the age of 7), and I found it boring playing the same imaginary game every day, so I went off and played with boys, because their imaginary games were much more interesting and they didn't play the same games every day.
I've never been into sport though, and PE was one of my worse subject at school. But I liked swimming and running, and was a very active child.
I preferred teddy bears to dolls. I did have some Barbie dolls, but I didn't mother a baby doll, for instance. Instead I mothered teddy bears, especially my favourite teddy bear. I used to push him around in my toy pram, and yes, although he's pink he was always a boy to me, even though I dressed him in dolls dresses.
I loved getting dirty as a kid. When I reached adolescence I would almost look like a boy, and my mum would often say she had two sons. I did want to be a boy, because I wanted to be able to go around with my shirt off without it being inappropriate. I never wore skirts or dresses (only for school because it was part of the uniform) because it made it difficult to do the things I liked doing, such as climbing trees and riding my bike and engaging in ''rough and tumble'' play.
But knowing half the population are females, I didn't feel insecure or angry about it (like I do autism). I had a half-sister, and plenty of female cousins, and my mum and aunties and grandmothers were all females, plus billions of other people in the world, so I just called myself a tomboy.
Also I wasn't into horses. All the other girls in my class would all play horses every recess (up until around the age of 7), and I found it boring playing the same imaginary game every day, so I went off and played with boys, because their imaginary games were much more interesting and they didn't play the same games every day.
I've never been into sport though, and PE was one of my worse subject at school. But I liked swimming and running, and was a very active child.
I preferred teddy bears to dolls. I did have some Barbie dolls, but I didn't mother a baby doll, for instance. Instead I mothered teddy bears, especially my favourite teddy bear. I used to push him around in my toy pram, and yes, although he's pink he was always a boy to me, even though I dressed him in dolls dresses.
I loved getting dirty as a kid. When I reached adolescence I would almost look like a boy, and my mum would often say she had two sons. I did want to be a boy, because I wanted to be able to go around with my shirt off without it being inappropriate. I never wore skirts or dresses (only for school because it was part of the uniform) because it made it difficult to do the things I liked doing, such as climbing trees and riding my bike and engaging in ''rough and tumble'' play.
But knowing half the population are females, I didn't feel insecure or angry about it (like I do autism). I had a half-sister, and plenty of female cousins, and my mum and aunties and grandmothers were all females, plus billions of other people in the world, so I just called myself a tomboy.
You are lucky you didn't have woke parents. They would have sent you to a "therapist" to "affirm" your male "gender" and later have you in puberty blockers.
Or super conservatist parents who would ban you from watching Thomas the Tank Engine and force you to wear pretty dresses.
It's unhealthy both ways when taken too far.
Basically zero percent of conservatives would do that. Maybe with boys they would be concerned, but what are the odds. Gender dysphoria is too rare in the population. It is the woke parents who are encouraging their children to exhibit symptoms of a rare psychological condition which causes great distress. How absurd is that?
26 Jan 2023, 3:41 am
Canadian1911
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Gender: Male
Posts: 227
Location: Getting ready to attack Fort Niagara!
26 Jan 2023, 3:48 am
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26 Jan 2023, 6:03 am
Dengashinobi wrote:
Joe90 wrote:
I preferred watching Thomas The Tank Engine rather than princess Disney movies when I was little. But I think I just got into Thomas The Tank Engine because my brother used to watch it a lot, so I caught the craze as well. I didn't really watch it after about the age of 7.
Also I wasn't into horses. All the other girls in my class would all play horses every recess (up until around the age of 7), and I found it boring playing the same imaginary game every day, so I went off and played with boys, because their imaginary games were much more interesting and they didn't play the same games every day.
I've never been into sport though, and PE was one of my worse subject at school. But I liked swimming and running, and was a very active child.
I preferred teddy bears to dolls. I did have some Barbie dolls, but I didn't mother a baby doll, for instance. Instead I mothered teddy bears, especially my favourite teddy bear. I used to push him around in my toy pram, and yes, although he's pink he was always a boy to me, even though I dressed him in dolls dresses.
I loved getting dirty as a kid. When I reached adolescence I would almost look like a boy, and my mum would often say she had two sons. I did want to be a boy, because I wanted to be able to go around with my shirt off without it being inappropriate. I never wore skirts or dresses (only for school because it was part of the uniform) because it made it difficult to do the things I liked doing, such as climbing trees and riding my bike and engaging in ''rough and tumble'' play.
But knowing half the population are females, I didn't feel insecure or angry about it (like I do autism). I had a half-sister, and plenty of female cousins, and my mum and aunties and grandmothers were all females, plus billions of other people in the world, so I just called myself a tomboy.
Also I wasn't into horses. All the other girls in my class would all play horses every recess (up until around the age of 7), and I found it boring playing the same imaginary game every day, so I went off and played with boys, because their imaginary games were much more interesting and they didn't play the same games every day.
I've never been into sport though, and PE was one of my worse subject at school. But I liked swimming and running, and was a very active child.
I preferred teddy bears to dolls. I did have some Barbie dolls, but I didn't mother a baby doll, for instance. Instead I mothered teddy bears, especially my favourite teddy bear. I used to push him around in my toy pram, and yes, although he's pink he was always a boy to me, even though I dressed him in dolls dresses.
I loved getting dirty as a kid. When I reached adolescence I would almost look like a boy, and my mum would often say she had two sons. I did want to be a boy, because I wanted to be able to go around with my shirt off without it being inappropriate. I never wore skirts or dresses (only for school because it was part of the uniform) because it made it difficult to do the things I liked doing, such as climbing trees and riding my bike and engaging in ''rough and tumble'' play.
But knowing half the population are females, I didn't feel insecure or angry about it (like I do autism). I had a half-sister, and plenty of female cousins, and my mum and aunties and grandmothers were all females, plus billions of other people in the world, so I just called myself a tomboy.
You are lucky you didn't have woke parents. They would have sent you to a "therapist" to "affirm" your male "gender" and later have you in puberty blockers.
I would have hated that, as I still knew I was a girl despite all that.
Canadian1911
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Joined: 20 Mar 2015
Gender: Male
Posts: 227
Location: Getting ready to attack Fort Niagara!
26 Jan 2023, 6:06 am
Joe90 wrote:
Dengashinobi wrote:
Joe90 wrote:
I preferred watching Thomas The Tank Engine rather than princess Disney movies when I was little. But I think I just got into Thomas The Tank Engine because my brother used to watch it a lot, so I caught the craze as well. I didn't really watch it after about the age of 7.
Also I wasn't into horses. All the other girls in my class would all play horses every recess (up until around the age of 7), and I found it boring playing the same imaginary game every day, so I went off and played with boys, because their imaginary games were much more interesting and they didn't play the same games every day.
I've never been into sport though, and PE was one of my worse subject at school. But I liked swimming and running, and was a very active child.
I preferred teddy bears to dolls. I did have some Barbie dolls, but I didn't mother a baby doll, for instance. Instead I mothered teddy bears, especially my favourite teddy bear. I used to push him around in my toy pram, and yes, although he's pink he was always a boy to me, even though I dressed him in dolls dresses.
I loved getting dirty as a kid. When I reached adolescence I would almost look like a boy, and my mum would often say she had two sons. I did want to be a boy, because I wanted to be able to go around with my shirt off without it being inappropriate. I never wore skirts or dresses (only for school because it was part of the uniform) because it made it difficult to do the things I liked doing, such as climbing trees and riding my bike and engaging in ''rough and tumble'' play.
But knowing half the population are females, I didn't feel insecure or angry about it (like I do autism). I had a half-sister, and plenty of female cousins, and my mum and aunties and grandmothers were all females, plus billions of other people in the world, so I just called myself a tomboy.
Also I wasn't into horses. All the other girls in my class would all play horses every recess (up until around the age of 7), and I found it boring playing the same imaginary game every day, so I went off and played with boys, because their imaginary games were much more interesting and they didn't play the same games every day.
I've never been into sport though, and PE was one of my worse subject at school. But I liked swimming and running, and was a very active child.
I preferred teddy bears to dolls. I did have some Barbie dolls, but I didn't mother a baby doll, for instance. Instead I mothered teddy bears, especially my favourite teddy bear. I used to push him around in my toy pram, and yes, although he's pink he was always a boy to me, even though I dressed him in dolls dresses.
I loved getting dirty as a kid. When I reached adolescence I would almost look like a boy, and my mum would often say she had two sons. I did want to be a boy, because I wanted to be able to go around with my shirt off without it being inappropriate. I never wore skirts or dresses (only for school because it was part of the uniform) because it made it difficult to do the things I liked doing, such as climbing trees and riding my bike and engaging in ''rough and tumble'' play.
But knowing half the population are females, I didn't feel insecure or angry about it (like I do autism). I had a half-sister, and plenty of female cousins, and my mum and aunties and grandmothers were all females, plus billions of other people in the world, so I just called myself a tomboy.
You are lucky you didn't have woke parents. They would have sent you to a "therapist" to "affirm" your male "gender" and later have you in puberty blockers.
I would have hated that, as I still knew I was a girl despite all that.
Joe, woke parents would not think you are transgender just because you like traditionally male things, they know better than that.
26 Jan 2023, 6:32 am
Canadian1911
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Joined: 20 Mar 2015
Gender: Male
Posts: 227
Location: Getting ready to attack Fort Niagara!
26 Jan 2023, 6:34 am
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