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30 Dec 2022, 1:13 am

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Newly discovered documents show that in the years after World War II, former members of the Nazi Wehrmacht and Waffen-SS formed a secret army to protect the country from the Soviets. The illegal project could have sparked a major scandal at the time.

For nearly six decades, the 321-page file lay unnoticed in the archives of the BND, Germany's foreign intelligence agency -- but now its contents have revealed a new chapter of German postwar history that is as spectacular as it is mysterious.

The previously secret documents reveal the existence of a coalition of approximately 2,000 former officers -- veterans of the Nazi-era Wehrmacht and the Waffen-SS -- who decided to put together an army in postwar Germany in 1949. They made their preparations without a mandate from the German government, without the knowledge of the parliament and, the documents show, by circumventing Allied occupation forces.

The goal of the retired officers: to defend nascent West Germany against Eastern aggression in the early stages of the Cold War and, on the domestic front, deploy against the Communists in the event of a civil war. It collected information about left-wing politicians like Social Democrat (SPD) Fritz Erler, a key player in reforming the party after World War II, and spied on students like Joachim Peckert, who later became a senior official at the West German Embassy in Moscow during the 1970s.

The new discovery was brought about by a coincidence. Historian Agilolf Kesselring found the documents -- which belonged to the Gehlen Organization, the predecessor to the current foreign intelligence agency -- while working for an Independent Historical Commission hired by the BND to investigate its early history. Similar commissions have been hired by a number of German authorities in recent years, including the Finance and Foreign Ministries to create an accurate record of once hushed-up legacies.

Kesselring uncovered the documents, which were given the strange title of "Insurances," while trying to determine the number of workers employed by the BND.


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Fears of Attack from the East

But their debates always returned to the same question: What should be done if the Russians or their Eastern European allies invade? West Germany was still without an army at the time, and the Americans had removed many of their GIs from Europe in 1945.

At first, Schnez' group considered allowing themselves to be defeated and then leading partisan warfare from behind the lines, before relocating somewhere outside of Germany. In the event of a sudden attack from the East, an employee with the Gehlen Organization would later write, Schnez wanted to withdraw his troops and bring them to safety outside of Germany. They would then wage the battle to free Germany from abroad.


https://enigmasofhistory.quora.com/Nazi ... legal-Army



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30 Dec 2022, 3:06 am

I wonder if this had any relationship to Operation Gladio?


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30 Dec 2022, 3:11 am

https://www.siper.ch/assets/uploads/fil ... ection.pdf
or simples wiki
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Gladio
https://www.amazon.com/NATOs-Secret-Arm ... 0714685003
W Colby,
https://www.globalsecurity.org/intell/ops/gladio.htm
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Image Lost Crusader: The Secret Wars of CIA Director William Colby this one now the inside?
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ofcourse not the only one,
one sort-of important double spy, founder of worldwildlifefund(eg),bildergerg, https://www.mi6community.com/discussion ... connection
and the lockheed scandal :skull:



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30 Dec 2022, 5:10 am

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Honourable Men in the CIA?
That is probably one of the funniest things I have ever heard of. :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

To do the things they did in the past has absolutely no skerrick of honour. 8O



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30 Dec 2022, 7:26 am

Not particularly surprising that former SS and even run of the mill nonfanatical German army types might form an underground army to defend baby West Germany from the Soviets. And then... for said army to fizzle out when the members realized that 'the bad news is that the western armies are here to stay to occupy us, but the good news is that the western armies are here to stay to ALSO defend us from the Soviets' so our illegal venture is not needed.



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03 Jan 2023, 9:28 pm

It was said Patton had wanted to keep former SS regiments trained to fight a possible Soviet threat.


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04 Jan 2023, 2:00 am

Kraichgauer wrote:
It was said Patton had wanted to keep former SS regiments trained to fight a possible Soviet threat.


And he got assassinated because of these types of views.



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04 Jan 2023, 2:23 am

Pepe wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
It was said Patton had wanted to keep former SS regiments trained to fight a possible Soviet threat.


And he got assassinated because of these types of views.


Or he was just unlucky enough to get rear ended by some hung over GI's.


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04 Jan 2023, 3:56 am

Kraichgauer wrote:
Pepe wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
It was said Patton had wanted to keep former SS regiments trained to fight a possible Soviet threat.


And he got assassinated because of these types of views.


Or he was just unlucky enough to get rear ended by some hung over GI's.


"Let us agree to disagree." 8)



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04 Jan 2023, 7:34 am

Many Waffen SS were hired by the US army after the war


And then rewarded for their collaboration
https://www.npr.org/2014/11/05/36142727 ... in-the-u-s