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I just dont think oil and gas have the ability to destroy all life on this planet.The environment will heal itself.Also I admit I feel this way because my family has been involved with the oil industry for generations upon generations.I just dont think protecting the environment should be a huge political goal as a nation because its hurts industry.Also I think my idea of good environmentalism is different than yours because I think hunting is a good way to practice conservation.

From Texas Parks & Wildlife on gassing

“Why is TPWD scoping this issue?
Gassing is an indiscriminate means of take. TPWD is concerned about the impact of gassing on wildlife and habitat, particularly on non-target organisms, including rare karst (cave/crevice-dwelling) invertebrates that inhabit caves and crevices along with rattlesnakes”

“Many rattlesnake events currently discourage the collection of snakes by gassing, and several organizers have expressed a desire to work cooperatively with TPWD and snake collectors to promote safe and effective collection practices.
Doesn't gassing control rattlesnake populations? Won't we be overrun by rattlesnakes if gassing is banned?
There are no studies suggesting that rattlesnakes will become overabundant in the absence of this means of collection.”

Full article
https://tpwd.texas.gov/faq/huntwild/gassing.phtml

I have been thinking about this subject. This is a really interesting subject. So let me pass on my thoughts. First of all, there are two very ancient books. One is the Bible (Noah and the Ark) and the other is Atlantis. When you piece these books together, one can learn some interesting things.

There was an event that resulted in the near destruction of all the people on the planet Earth. It was an end of the world event. It caused a massive flood and almost all the world's population drowned. Most people believe it was a story of fiction. But it is a real life event.

So how did this event happen and when did this event happen.

It could have occurred about 13,000 years ago. The Earth was in a major ice age and very suddenly it was warm and the ice melted. At around 13,000 years ago, a large part of the world was frozen over in ice. The water in the ocean (around 70 percent of the land mass) had been turned to ice at the poles. Generally the ocean water level was around 300 feet lower then today. But in some areas, such as Indiana, where I live, there was 1 mile of ice. The ice had weight and forced the earth crust downward. As a result, much of the state was underwater at the time.

Now the other part of the question is how did this event happen. What brought this ice age to a quick end? It could have been caused by an impact event from a long period comet. Normally a large impact event leaves a substantial evidence behind. But an impact event on an ice sheet over a mile thick of ice does not. There is some evidence of a large impact event around 13,000 years ago centered near Canada. It produced almost a thousand depressions scattered over a couple thousand miles in Canada and the United States and even some in Europe. An impact of this type could have brought the ice age to an immediate end and immediately caused the ice sheets to break apart and flood the entire world.

So it could have happened and caused the near destruction of almost every living thing on the planet. But let me move on a little further back in time. The Bible tells a Story of Adam and Eve. This story dates back to the beginning of the human race. Adam and Eve may have been a very different type of humans. They may have come from Aspie origins. They may have had right side of skull dominant brains rather then left side. This may be the reason why this website is called Wrong Planet. It is because many of us feel like we have been born on the Wrong Planet. Humans are unlike any creature that came before us. If you look at some of the species of Apes, they are very similar to humans but they exhibit characteristics of left dominant brains. They live in packs and fight in packs.

Some Aspies are fairly intelligent. They have I.Q.s over 150. Many are picture thinkers. Their minds move near the speed of light. They are like the original humans, Adam and Eve.

When did Adam and Eve exist. Well very far back in time. During this time some early serpents had arms and legs. Over a million years ago.

In the bible it reads:
Genesis 3:14-15: And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life: And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

The story of Atlantis. When did it happen?

Plato (c.424–328 B.C.) describes it as a powerful and advanced kingdom that sank, in a night and a day, into the ocean around 9,600 B.C.

Atlantis

That sounds about right. It occurred at the end of the last ice age around 13,000 years ago.

Another article states:

Since the 1800s, Atlanteans have been credited for having had the technology to generate electricity, build flying machines, and harness nuclear power for energy and war-fare—all developed more than 9,000 years before such things came into being in modern society. Other claims have Atlanteans knowledgeable about a formidable death ray, secrets for levitation, and pure forms of energy through crystals.

Source: Atlantis

This account goes on to say:

Many Atlantis enthusiasts firmly believe that the inhabitants of the lost continent had cosmic connections with extraterrestrials and may actually have been a colony established on Earth by alien explorers.

That is an interesting thought. The Bible story of Adam and Eve being

Therefore the LORD God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken.
So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.

Civilization progressed until the time of the Great Flood, the time of Noah and the Ark, a time when much of the worlds population drowned, around 13,000 years ago.

Another article wrote:

If Atlantis really existed, no one wrote about it until Plato, who did so 9,000 years after its destruction. This, in and of itself, is cause for skepticism. The existence of a vast, advanced civilization should have found its way into contemporaneous historical texts, even without it mysteriously vanishing. Once it sunk into the sea, it absolutely should have been spoken about long before Plato. That’s the sort of thing that makes you sit up and take notice. If you’re a historian circa 10,000 BC, you write about the utopia that vanished beneath the waves. That’s strike one.

Source: The Science Behind the Fiction: Is there any truth to the myth of Atlantis?

No that is not a strike one at all. At the time of the last ice age, the level of the sea was 400 feet lower. The evidence of Atlantis is buried under 400 feet of ocean water and a layer of mud and grime.

During colder climatic periods more ice caps and glaciers form, and enough of the global water supply accumulates as ice to lessen the amounts in other parts of the water cycle. The reverse is true during warm periods. During the last ice age glaciers covered almost one-third of Earth's land mass, with the result being that the oceans were about 400 feet (122 meters) lower than today.

Source:The coastline of the eastern U.S. changes....slowly.

This thread is unhinged... allow me to realign it...

We Humans are of a LONG, DEEP line of organisms, ALL of which evolved together at differing times on THIS ONE PLANET, and everything we Humans come up to "mansplain" the unknown and cannot be known (fully) are mere bandages to cover our collective existential fears.

Also, sneks are amazing and BENEFICIAL critters, which we should revere and PROTECT with all our resources.

Carry on.

Back to a discussion about rattlesnakes.

mrpieceofwork wrote:
Also, sneks are amazing and BENEFICIAL critters, which we should revere and PROTECT with all our resources.

When I was a teenager over 50 years ago, I lived in Texas just like you. I lived in a city called Dallas. I found it to be a wonderful place to grow up and have good memories of those days. I lived within a large city. There were snakes, rattlesnakes but I do not recall ever seeing them, because I was in a large city. But if I traveled into the countryside and off the beaten path, rattlesnakes were in abundance.

As I grew into adulthood we moved to a city in Los Angeles, California. There was rattlesnakes but for the most part, one had to travel out into the wild to come across them. California is a vastly different region then Texas. It has many steep hills and mountains. When traveling away from the city, one could easily come across a rattlesnake. And if it struck, it might not be at foot level but higher. One could come across a rattlesnake and get a bite to the neck or arms.

This is what can result from a rattlesnake bite.

If you get hit by a car it would be worse.
Cars cause more deaths than snakes.
I’m not showing a picture of a car crash victim.
From Forbes.

https://www.forbes.com/advisor/legal/ca ... d%20States.
“In 2020, a total of 35,766 fatal motor vehicle accidents occurred on U.S. roadways.[2] These crashes resulted in a total of 38,824 deaths.[5”

Only 10-15 fatalities a year from snake bites,
https://www.fs.usda.gov/Internet/FSE_DO ... 393596.pdf

Also sometimes snakes don’t inject venom when they bite, it’s called a dry bite.
https://www.fairview.org/patient-education/116549EN

O.K. I am going a little bit OFF TOPIC for a moment.

Early forms of the snake occupy a central part at the beginning of the Bible. Perhaps there is more to the story then what meets the eye.

The Story of Atlantis may hold some insight. A quick search on the internet provided a discussion point. Apparently I am not alone, others have begun investigating this topic and found some similarities. Here is a link.

Alternative Civilization and Its Discontents:

"In the Fall of 2022, Netflix released Ancient Apocalypse, an eight-part documentary series written and presented by Graham Hancock, the author of numerous bestselling books about ancient human prehistory".

The series provides his thoughts about the event.

The Seventh part of the series describes a "site in Turkey called Derinkuyu, an underground city with a vast network of tunnels, represents what Hancock believes to be survival bunkers for the people living under assault from strikes by cometary debris 12,800 years ago."

The Eighth part of the series describes "numerous geological features of the Channeled Scablands of the western United States show what Hancock, along with his colleague Randall Carlson, believe to be direct evidence of the cosmic cometary event that erased nearly all evidence of the advanced civilization they believe thrived during the last ice age."

"The series ends in dramatic fashion with Hancock delivering a take-home message for us moderns: that comet stream will one day return to do to us what it did to the Atlanteans, so we should prepare ourselves now. 'Perhaps our own ‘advanced’ civilization should heed their warning,” Hancock pronounces in prophetic fashion in the final line of the series, 'lest our own story end the same way.'"

Perhaps there is even more out there then meets the eye. Perhaps we are dealing with a very advanced civilization. It is not difficult to alter the path of a comet, even a large comet. Perhaps, the impact strike around 13,000 years ago was not accidental. Perhaps there is a very advanced civilization responsible for it. If so "our knowledge has grown over the past 13,000 years. Earth may be a target FOR A REPEAT EVENT.

I grew up in the hills and valleys of San Diego County, CA, I played in the rocks, and splashed around in the creeks. (lost cats to coyotes) As well, I spent what could now add up to full months of my life hiking and camping in MANY different environments in and around CA. In all of those outings, I saw a total of ONE rattlesnake.

I have yet to come across any venomous snake here in TX, and I've been here for 10 years, and have explored many a "wild place" here.

I do not give much of any weight to ancient myths and tales. I mentioned why above.

Most ancient people had respect for serpents.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snakes_in_mythology

Here is Mr. Rattlesnake he doesn't want to bite anyone but he does want you to leave him alone and go away when he rattles his tail otherwise he bites in self defense, like just leave them alone and they are unlikely to bite.