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18 Aug 2007, 8:02 am

AND THEN IT EXPLODED!

I cant believe people actually believe in the big bang.
I would believe in god before the big bang anyday.



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18 Aug 2007, 9:16 am

First there was nothing, then a huge hydrogen inrush, then a big explosion forcing matter and anti-matter to be scattered all through what was to become the universe. This happened as far back as 17,000,000,000 years ago, and when things started to cool down and coalesce, galaxies formed and then planets. Our solar system formed from the orc cloud that was developed when our sun came into being around 5,000,000,000 years ago, and the earth was formed and cooled around 500 million years later. The first life on earth, microbial deposits appeared around 1,500,000,000 years ago, and jelly-fish appeared around 600 million years ago. Dinosaurs were here between 300,000,000 and 65,000,000 years ago, and humans, which developed from primates didn't appear until roughly 5,000,000 years ago. Religion (or God) was created by man during the neolithic age, which was 50,000 to 20,000 years ago. The flood spoken of in the Bible occured in the Black Sea region at the end of the last great ice age, Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed by an earthquake and volcanic eruption on the shore of the Dead Sea around 2650 BCE, and Christ was born around 6 BCE. The Bible was put together under the order of Emperor Constantine in 312 CE from books that were meant to represent historic events, but which were actually re-written to have a supernatural aspect due to political intervention. Only 66 of the original 100 were used for this reason. Nero was the antichrist that was referred to in the Gospels, but because of the sensitivity of the time, his name and identity were hidden. The Christian Inquisitions were held btween the 12th century CE and the 17th century CE, the Islamic religion was founded by Mohammed at around 700 CE, and the Church of England (Protestantism) and Lutheran churches were founded in the 16th centuries by Henry VIII and Martin Luther respectively.

Basically man created God, not the other way around.


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18 Aug 2007, 12:19 pm

PrupQon is not saying she believes in god she is saying she doesn't believe in the big bang. There are other possiblities more credible than creationism.

It is always difficult to know for sure if we have really found the energy left over from the big bang.



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18 Aug 2007, 2:25 pm

Read up on cosmology. I find it far more compelling than any religious hokum.



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22 Aug 2007, 8:30 am

PrupQon wrote:
AND THEN IT EXPLODED!

I cant believe people actually believe in the big bang.
I would believe in god before the big bang anyday.


Lets assert that there is a god, though it is tactually difficult to prove.

It is improbable that your chosen religion is the truth of the universe. With 99 percent of religious people, what they believe is relative to their culture or society, typical NT choice making.

IF The Arch Bishop was morn in an Islamic county good chance he would be Muslim

IF Darwin was born in Islamic country chances are he would still study evolution.



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22 Aug 2007, 1:46 pm

PrupQon wrote:
AND THEN IT EXPLODED!

I cant believe people actually believe in the big bang.
I would believe in god before the big bang anyday.


At first there was nothing...and then it became God!

Ahhh, yes, that makes much more sense. :roll:


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22 Aug 2007, 2:35 pm

EatingPoetry wrote:
PrupQon wrote:
AND THEN IT EXPLODED!

I cant believe people actually believe in the big bang.
I would believe in god before the big bang anyday.


At first there was nothing...and then it became God!

Ahhh, yes, that makes much more sense. :roll:


Hmmm, which religion teaches that, pray tell?


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22 Aug 2007, 3:57 pm

How do you explain the existence of God? He just always was? Yeah, that makes sense, too. There is no plausable explanation for where God came from.


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26 Aug 2007, 4:39 pm

OK Scientists, has anyone come up with a plausible explaination for where the Universe came from?



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26 Aug 2007, 8:18 pm

As I said, hydrogen inrush caused by atomic reaction roughly 17,000,000,000 year ago. Easy. I'll accept that.


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26 Aug 2007, 9:35 pm

let's see...what's more believable...some invisible all powerful being created and designated every single mathematical balance and set things up so that this planet would eventually have the necessary means and properties available to support life.


or....it was just all random and things eventually fell into place after more time than anyone here can fathom....and which is why people choose the idea of something creating it instead because the vastness is then turned into just some little craftsman project.


it's really not that hard to believe if you can actually conceptualize infinity.


but hey, if you could do that, i guess you wouldn't need such a finite description and explanation as some being creating everything.



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27 Aug 2007, 10:40 am

At first there was nothing...

Its impossible that nothing existed first,simply because nothing does not exist.
And nothing cannot became something,since that is logical contradiction.
Only being exists,non being does not exist....ergo there is only being (existence).

Things that exist cannot be created from non-existence,and cannot be turned into non-existence.

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For never shall this prevail, that things that are not are.


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Thinking and the thought that it is are the same; for you will not find thought apart from what is, in relation to which it is uttered.

For thought and being are the same.

It is necessary to speak and to think what is; for being is, but nothing is not.

Helplessness guides the wandering thought in their breasts; they are carried along deaf and blind alike, dazed, beasts without judgment, convinced that to be and not to be are the same and not the same, and that the road of all things is a backward-turning one.


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How could what is perish? How could it have come to be? For if it came into being, it is not; nor is it if ever it is going to be. Thus coming into being is extinguished, and destruction unknown.

Nor was [it] once, nor will [it] be, since [it] is, now, all together, / One, continuous; for what coming-to-be of it will you seek? / In what way, whence, did [it] grow? Neither from what-is-not shall I allow / You to say or think; for it is not to be said or thought / That [it] is not. And what need could have impelled it to grow / Later or sooner, if it began from nothing? Thus [it] must either be completely or not at all.

[What exists] is now, all at once, one and continuous... Nor is it divisible, since it is all alike; nor is there any more or less of it in one place which might prevent it from holding together, but all is full of what is.

And it is all one to me / Where I am to begin; for I shall return there again.


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27 Aug 2007, 5:48 pm

//As I said, hydrogen inrush caused by atomic reaction roughly 17,000,000,000 year ago.//

I meant where did the atomic reaction that created the hydrogen inrush that created the universe come from, numbnuts :lol: _

I'm actually a strong atheist as far a personal God is concerned; I just wonder how even if the universe is infinite and eternal, why it's there atall :? Especially when, after reading Nagarjuna, I get the distinct impression that everything that appears to exist is just spun out of nothingness anyway!!

//it was just all random and things eventually fell into place//

Interesting. What was it that was random? :roll:



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27 Aug 2007, 5:56 pm

I like Russel Humprey's version of the Big Bang better than the one accepted by Hawkman.



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29 Aug 2007, 9:01 am

If I say it enough maybe memetic drift will inspire others. The Universe is God. God is the Universe. We are part of the Universe. We are a part of God. The Universe is a part of us. If I do not exist, the Universe does not exist. If the Universe does not exist, I do not exist. Etc, etc.


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29 Aug 2007, 11:29 am

Witt wrote:
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When people say that something exists I think they generally mean that something exists in its current state -e.g people alive- rather than it exists at all.